Blackhat email marketing advice?

Dreamchaser2024 · Jan 10, 2023

I have a huge amount of email addresses (hundreds of thousands) that I would like to send marketing emails to. These addresses aren't subscribed to my email list.
I would like to learn how to email these addresses in bulk, quickly, and still end up in their inbox and not spam. How do I do this, is there a tool or email service provider that helps with this?
What do those scammers use to spam millions of email addresses? I don't want to scam anyone just increase traffic to my website and make some sales.

xcodes · Jan 10, 2023

If you can master the art of direct inboxing, you will have the potential to become a millionaire solely through CPA offers. However, it's important to note that it's not a 'plug and play' method and will require a bit of warm-up or tweaking.

There are many journeys and tutorials available around you here, and I encourage you to read as many of them as possible.

Welcome to BHW. Cheers!

Dreamchaser2024 · Jan 10, 2023

xcodes said:
If you can master the art of direct inboxing, you will have the potential to become a millionaire solely through CPA offers. However, it's important to note that it's not a 'plug and play' method and will require a bit of warm-up or tweaking.

There are many journeys and tutorials available around you here, and I encourage you to read as many of them as possible.

Welcome to BHW. Cheers!

I need to email 400,000 people and I need like to do it within a month with decent inbox rate. Can you help me with that, what would it cost?

Also out of curiosity, what would it cost to send 400k unoptimized emails that are likely to end up in spam? Aren't those types of emails essentially free?

code API · Jan 10, 2023

Dreamchaser2024 said:
I need to email 400,000 people and I need like to do it within a month with decent inbox rate. Can you help me with that, what would it cost?

Also out of curiosity, what would it cost to send 400k unoptimized emails that are likely to end up in spam? Aren't those types of emails essentially free?

What do you mean by free?
No, sending that huge amount into spam or inbox is almost always a gamble especially if your list is dirty or you've got super spammy keywords in your copy.

In either way, sending for that matter shouldn't be free as it largely depends on you, given that all technical factors like DNS configuration checks out 100%. I mean, take care of the technical aspect first, and worry about your list and copy later. All these, before you hit SEND.

And if you took a service to spam this huge, it shouldn't be the responsibility of the Email Marketing service providers you use. It doesn't matter whether they are from BHW or not.

Let me ask: is your 400k email list cleaned and you can rely on its verification accuracy well enough to not trigger bounces, spam filters and bans left and right from ISPs and ESPs?

Amaz0n · Jan 10, 2023

crystalwiz said:
Let me ask: is your 400k email list cleaned and you can rely on its verification accuracy well enough to not trigger bounces, spam filters and bans left and right from ISPs and ESPs?

Why are you even asking. Obviously not.

Also no email list cleaner whatsoever will help you remove spam traps and thats the killer.

Dreamchaser2024 · Jan 10, 2023

crystalwiz said:
What do you mean by free?
No, sending that huge amount into spam or inbox is almost always a gamble especially if your list is dirty or you've got super spammy keywords in your copy.

In either way, sending for that matter shouldn't be free as it largely depends on you, given that all technical factors like DNS configuration checks out 100%. I mean, take care of the technical aspect first, and worry about your list and copy later. All these, before you hit SEND.

And if you took a service to spam this huge, it shouldn't be the responsibility of the Email Marketing service providers you use. It doesn't matter whether they are from BHW or not.

Let me ask: is your 400k email list cleaned and you can rely on its verification accuracy well enough to not trigger bounces, spam filters and bans left and right from ISPs and ESPs?

I'm not a nerd. I just want someone to send my copy to my list of 400,000 email addresses. The list is from 2020 LinkedIn. I am absolutely uninterested in geek shit like setting up an email server. I've done it in the past and it was a huge pain in the ass just for everything to end up in spam. I also don't even really care what the sending domain is. It doesn't need to be mine. I just need my copy in my targets' inboxes, even if it's 25% inbox rate. I'd be happy with that on 400,000 email addreses.

Deleted member 1501362 · Jan 10, 2023

If you understood the geek stuff, you would know how difficult it is to send emails to a list of 400,000 email addresses without a lot of it hitting spam.

First your server needs to have a high trust score with the email ISP. This is done by sending out emails and having them opened over a long period of time and people are actually replying and moving your emails out of spam to inbox.

This is the process of warming. All the best with getting your 400,000 emails sent man, you gonna have to find someone with a well-warmed server that has a good domain reputation and multiple warmed inboxes. But it can be done, just that it isn't easy.

Algo · Jan 10, 2023

Amaz0n said:
Why are you even asking. Obviously not.

Also no email list cleaner whatsoever will help you remove spam traps and thats the killer.

You can use many SMTP Servers to segment your list by clickers/openers then use other SMTP servers to send to your active list.

Amaz0n · Jan 10, 2023

Algo said:
You can use many SMTP Servers to segment your list by clickers/openers then use other SMTP servers to send to your active list.

So you don't know what spam traps are. Ok.

Deleted member 1501362 said:
If you understood the geek stuff, you would know how difficult it is to send emails to a list of 400,000 email addresses without a lot of it hitting spam.

First your server needs to have a high trust score with the email ISP. This is done by sending out emails and having them opened over a long period of time and people are actually replying and moving your emails out of spam to inbox.

This is the process of warming. All the best with getting your 400,000 emails sent man, you gonna have to find someone with a well-warmed server that has a good domain reputation and multiple warmed inboxes. But it can be done, just that it isn't easy.

Warming is overrated and all the "hard work" of warming is eliminated after 10 people clicked spam button anyway.

Deleted member 1501362 · Jan 10, 2023

Amaz0n said:
So you don't know what spam traps are. Ok.

He will end up in spams, I never knew how difficult this stuff can be until I got my own SMTP server.

Amaz0n said:
Warming is overrated and all the "hard work" of warming is eliminated after 10 people clicked spam button anyway.

Trust me it's not overrated, and you wont have people clicking spam if you are actually sending out quality emails and not spamming BS.

Algo · Jan 10, 2023

Amaz0n said:
So you don't know what spam traps are. Ok.

I know them, the strategy I'm talking about is to burn some servers to know your active emails (openers, clickers...).

Even if you get blacklisted by sending to spam-traps it's not that important because you're using these servers to clean your lists.

Then use other SMTP servers to send to your clean list.

Amaz0n · Jan 10, 2023

Deleted member 1501362 said:
Trust me it's not overrated

When did you sent you first email campaign with your own SMTP? I did that in 2003. What about you?

Algo said:
I know them, the strategy I'm talking about is to burn some servers to know your active emails (openers, clickers...).

Even if you get blacklisted by sending to spam-traps it's not that important because you're using these servers to clean your lists.

Then use other SMTP servers to send to your clean list.

Spam traps are clicking on your email. Then what? Btw, your domain and your server was shut down already.

Deleted member 1501362 · Jan 10, 2023

Amaz0n said:
When did you sent you first email campaign with your own SMTP? I did that in 2003. What about you?

That's great for you. I don't remember exactly when, but I know if you create a new server. Warming it up is crucial, otherwise, you will just be hitting straight spams, and maybe once in a while, you will hit promotions box.

Amaz0n · Jan 10, 2023

Deleted member 1501362 said:
That's great for you. I don't remember exactly when, but I know if you create a new server. Warming it up is crucial, otherwise, you will just be hitting straight spams, and maybe once in a while, you will hit promotions back.

Statement stands: It is overrated.

Also after couple of addresses click spam button and they do, your reputation is dead anyway. So how to make sure this won't happen? Answer: Have Confirmed/Double Opt In emails which nobody here has anyway.

Algo · Jan 10, 2023

Amaz0n said:
Spam traps are clicking on your email. Then what? Btw, your domain and your server was shut down already.

This is why, I'm telling you that the strategy is to use some smtp servers to clean your lists. This servers and domains are dedicated only for cleaning and segmenting openers and clickers.

Then use other servers to send to your clean active list.

EMS like Mumara, MailWizz... need to be installed on a separate servers and you'll need to mask domains, even if some of your SMTP servers get banned/blacklisted.... your EMS will stay up and running.

Dreamchaser2024 · Jan 10, 2023

Deleted member 1501362 said:
That's great for you. I don't remember exactly when, but I know if you create a new server. Warming it up is crucial, otherwise, you will just be hitting straight spams, and maybe once in a while, you will hit promotions box.

Is there any service that builds a really barebones SMTP server and just allows me to send 400k emails at once. Even if 99% or 100% end in spam. If it's cheap enough I'd be interested

Amaz0n · Jan 10, 2023

Algo said:
This is why, I'm telling you that the strategy is to use some smtp servers to clean your lists. This servers and domains are dedicated only for cleaning and segmenting openers and clickers.

Then use other servers to send to your clean active list.

EMS like Mumara, MailWizz... need to be installed on a separate servers and you'll need to mask domains, even if some of your SMTP servers get banned/blacklisted.... your EMS will stay up and running.

You didn't get it and it is highly likely you are just sharing your theory without having practical experience.

Again, Spam Traps are actively clicking on the links in your email. And while they are clicking, your hosts get a notification that you spammed and bans your domains. Also, people report it even if they have clicked.

Deleted member 1501362 · Jan 10, 2023

Amaz0n said:
Statement stands: It is overrated.

Also after couple of addresses click spam button and they do, your reputation is dead anyway. So how to make sure this won't happen? Answer: Have Confirmed/Double Opt In emails which nobody here has anyway.

You will lose out on some quality leads with double opt-in but I have decided to implement it into my opt-in pages so what you mean no one has it lol.

Amaz0n · Jan 10, 2023

Deleted member 1501362 said:
You will lose out on some quality leads with double opt-in but I have decided to implement it into my opt-in pages so what you mean no one has it lol.

Yes and? "Lol". I lol too. If you warm up and send emails to the wrong list your "warm up" reputation is dead. If you would use any reputable esp like mainchimp they would ban you directly if you have over 1% "spam button" clickers. Guess why.

Deleted member 1501362 · Jan 10, 2023

Amaz0n said:
Statement stands: It is overrated.

Also after couple of addresses click spam button and they do, your reputation is dead anyway. So how to make sure this won't happen? Answer: Have Confirmed/Double Opt In emails which nobody here has anyway.

When you are warming up, your emails are being opened and marked as important as being replied to, so this helps to combat a few people not opening your emails or maybe marking it as spam. So your reputation will not die if you are always warming up, so I'm lost as to what you mean by your reputation will be dead.

Amaz0n said:
Yes and? "Lol". I lol too. If you warm up and send emails to the wrong list your "warm up" reputation is dead. If you would use any reputable esp like mainchimp they would ban you directly if you have over 1% "spam button" clickers. Guess why.

Why?

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