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Black hats actually doing some good????????

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by yowies, May 30, 2008.

  1. yowies

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    Okay..I realise this might appear to be a strange suggestion here.
    But here goes.
    Everyone here is out to help themselves make money..and help each other.. sometimes..which is great.
    But what about taking some of the same black hat skills and trying to help animals that are treated in an appalling way.
    I am not a new age greenie or tree hugger..but...locking bears in tiny cages for their whole "life" and cutting holes in their sides and placing tubes in them..and draining their bile duct ...is a truly fucked up way to treat an animal.
    I am going to start a cloaked site(keywords=animals,bears,cruelty etc etc) and the landing page is a normal animal welfare group that works in Vietnam.
    And try and get them more traffic and donations..!
    It would be really great if others could do the same..or donate some money to the site.


    Bear Projects
     
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  2. Black Hat Seo

    Black Hat Seo BANNED BANNED

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    This should really be in off topic since its more charity driven

    Congrats on the noble cause, I doubt however you'll find many people who would do this, and certainly almost none who would donate.

    While I love animals personally I donate each year to human causes, mostly children. As far as I'm concerned people need to get their priorities straight and look at the big picture.

    While children actually starve, can't get medicines or decent education in this country I cant see how anyone would focus their time on circus animals or saving a species of tree frogs.

    My pitch is this: Save the children first, then I'll be happy to help with lesser causes.
     
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  3. havokb8

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    maybe too many share your thoughts nevarc and nobody is helping the animals? I for one am an ASPCA member
     
  4. Black Hat Seo

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    I'd say that too few people share my thoughts. I love animals and I think its disgusting how many of them are treated, but you know what? Given the choice between helping a little kid get a healthy meal and a computer or liberating a butterball turkey, I'll take the kid.

    And if you don't give a fuck about Butterball turkeys then you don't really care about animals, you just care about some animals, which are less delicious and more fun.

    It's the truth though, the day someone shows me that we've stopped letting atrocities happen to kids and producing more hood rats and hillbillies I'll be the first one to hook a car battery up to those sadistic circus trainers.
     
  5. themagician

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    yowies,

    Totally agree!

    Everyone can start, and it won't cost a dime, by stopping eating animals.

    You'll live longer, be healthier and you won't be overweight!

    Previously I lived in the Spanish Canary Islands where, thankfully, they banned bullfights many years ago but bullfighting continues on mainland Spain and other animal cruelty is apparent. It is quite common to see puppies who have outstayed their welcome and are now an unwanted Chrsitmas gift, taken to the mountains, tethered and left to die, or worse, left to roam the freeway (motorway/autopista) where they become a danger to motorists as well as being killed in collisions. Thankfully, there is a wonderful organisation called K9 who does as much as it can to rescue them voluntarily: http://www.k9tenerife.com/

    Now I live in Thailand where the first precept of Buddhism forbids the taking of life; eating flesh requires killing animals, as Buddhist ethics are rooted in compassion and yet the animal cruelty is even more shocking and the Thai Muslims are no better.

    I also agree with Nevarc, it is difficult to prioritise when on the one hand I see cockfighting to the death in Cambodia and at the same time children as young as five years old sold for sex to Westerners. It is a f*cked up world but karma always bites you in the ass eventually, so just think before you do.

    I shall now stand back and wait to be flamed!

    themagician
     
  6. Orangecat

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    The suffering of children does not make the suffering of animals any less valid.

    I think you are wrong when you say that not many people share you're view Nevarc. In fact, the majority of the world's charities are set up to benefit humans. Not animals. Animal Charities are a VERY small portion of the big picture when it comes to finding places to donate your money.

    The fact is, there are lots of people worrying about the children. And barely a fraction of that are worrying about the treatment of animals.

    Personally I feel that the children have plenty of people speaking for them and championing their causes.

    They can also speak for themselves. Something that animals will never have the ability to do.

    Wanting to help humans does not mean that one can't want to help animals too. Both deserve to be treated humanly and I feel that both deserve my donations when that time comes. If that means I have to split my money in half so I can afford both then so be it.
     
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  7. Nick Flame

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    Hey, all those animal lovers, as long as you are eating meat you practically support animal killing, so what s better for them, to live in a cage or die?

    Stop pitying animals from the zoo, when other animals are being killed merciless everyday.

    So,if you want to do something for the animals, stop eating meat.

    PS: I am not an animal lover, and i like meat- very much.
     
  8. yowies

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    Hey, all those animal lovers, as long as you are eating meat you practically support animal killing,

    Um..you sort of missed the intention of the post.
    I was not talking about the right or wrong of eating meat.
    But..since you brought it up.
    I eat meat...therefore I should not recognise that animals should not have a tube inside them while they grovel in a cage for several years.
    Sure makes sense.. :)
    Anyway..back to reality...


    so what s better for them, to live in a cage or die?

    No idea what you are talking about.

    Stop pitying animals from the zoo, when other animals are being killed merciless everyday.

    still no idea what you are talking about.
    Bears in a cage with a tube coming out of them are not in zoo`s.
    Yes other animals are being killed...that makes the above okay then...?


    So,if you want to do something for the animals, stop eating meat.

    great..you do that..

    PS: I am not an animal lover, and i like meat- very much.

    I gathered that from your comments.
    The idea was about people that gave a shit about something other than their own stomachs/self and could do a bit of b/h work.
     
  9. MaestroDelWeb

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    I actually had a conversation related to animal cruelty last weekend with a friend of mine. My thoughts were pretty much expressed above. Don't donate money to animal causes when humans need it more.

    I guess the bear with the tube is about experimenting with animals or something. I actually completely agree with experimenting on animals. Imagine some lady is part of some experiment, to make money to feed her kids, and her face gets burned off by the chemicals used. I'd prefer it was any kind of animal than a human (whether it be a dog, monkey, bear, horse, cat, whatever...). I purposely picked the animals I mentioned because they are loved and respected animals. We have to be realistic is an animal life equivalent to a human life? No.

    My money goes to human causes.
     
  10. ajaj

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    It's nice to hear that the original poster is using his time to create money for a cause that he likes. We all do things in our own way. I personally buy tons of free after rebate stuff (from multiple addressess.. lol) from staples/office max/cvs/brooks/walgreens and pack a suitcase or 2 and hand the stuff out when I visit my homeland, India. You'd be surprised how many kids don't have pens/pencils, toothbrushes,bug ointment and just simple medicines. The look in their eyes is priceless.. And guess what ??? They are going to remember that simple gift for a long long time.

    It would be nice if everything did a little something for others, especially for other humans.. (but animals need some help too :) )
     
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    Ehhh, actually. Our bodies are evolutionarily designed to eat meat, maybe not as much of it as some people do but still.

    You'll actually find that vegetarians are some of the most malnourished and vitamin deficient people on earth even though its touted as "healthier."

    The main reason meat has gotten such a bad rap is because people that eat it don't eat enough vegetables to clear it out of their system. Then the meat just sits n rots which leads to other problems.

    Meat isn't the problem, its the rest of the diet.

    Sugar, grains and too many starches will destroy your body much quicker than over eating meat. Those are the real reasons people develop problems down the road, not animals.
     
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    In the end, it's all about the money. There is a demand for animal products (food/medicine/fur) and their isn't money in helping starving kids.
    Until the ethics outweigh the demand, just like fur coats in the US, it will keep on happening.
     
  13. Nick Flame

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    The idea of my post was the following:

    You seem to feel pity for those animals in cages - bears, whatever you mentioned- but you do not give a shit for the animals that are sacrificed so that you can feed your stomach. This is called hypocrisy.
     
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    Not exactly.

    There's a huge difference in quality of life between free range livestock and factory-murder livestock. Just because they're going to die anyway doesn't mean they should be maltreated.

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  15. havokb8

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    fine ill start my sponsorship for little "clickclicndou" right away, atleast 60 cents of every dollar actually goes to their care i heard!
     
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    Just send me the money. All of it will go to at-risk negro youth, I assure you.

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    My dog needs some dogfood... anyone wanna donate?
     
  18. yowies

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    I guess the bear with the tube is about experimenting with animals or something.

    No...Its about voodoo medicine by draining the bile duct for "medical help" of people..its a crock and does nothing for people

    I actually completely agree with experimenting on animals.

    Thats great...but that comment has nothing to do with this subject/post/animals in question.


    whatever you mentioned-

    If you actually bothered to read the web site it wouldnt be "whatever"..

    but you do not give a shit for the animals that are sacrificed so that you can feed your stomach.

    How in gods name do you know what I think about that...I do give a shit.
    But..we are omnivores and eat meat and vegetables/grains...and the livestock we eat..buy and large are kllled fairly quickly for US to consume.
    There is a major difference between feeding us...and sticking a tube into an animal for NO benefit for either humans or the animal in question.
    That you dont understand this simple point...is scary. :)
    Because you dont care about anything other than yourself...dont project that on everyone else.


    This is called hypocrisy.

    Yep...your right...all animals can be tortured/mutilated etc in any way that does not benefit either them or us...because...I eat meat.
    Brilliant "thinking".. LOL
    Try an read a bit more outside your only interests of 1/yourself 2/food/ 3/money and you might understand what I was saying.
    Just kidding..
    The end...

     
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  19. themagician

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    ...Sorry smitty5168, but your facts are wrong! (In my teaching days I used to lecture on this sh*t so I'm a bit clued up).

    Animals designed to eat meat have different teeth to those intended to eat vegetables, grains etc. Also, the digestive tract of meat eaters is shorter to allow the rapid digestion and evacuation of putrefying meat.

    Although some historians and anthropologists say that man is historically omnivorous, our anatomical equipment teeth, jaws, and digestive system favours a fleshless diet. The American Dietetic Association notes that ?most of mankind for most of human history has lived on vegetarian or near-vegetarian diets.? As the human animal has grain crushing teeth and a long intestine we can deduce that we should not be eating meat, even though the human body has adapted for its digestion, albeit not efficiently hence the health problems of meat eaters.

    It is also a myth and an outdated assumption that vegetarians are malnourished. There are no vitamins in a carnivore's diet that cannot be obtained from a varied and balanced vegetarian diet.

    Meat-eaters: have claws
    Herbivores: no claws
    Humans: no claws

    Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue
    Herbivores: perspire through skin pores
    Humans: perspire through skin pores

    Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding
    Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
    Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

    Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly
    Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.
    Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

    Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat
    Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
    Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

    Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.
    Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits
    Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

    Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains
    Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
    Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

    A popular statement that meat eaters make is; ?In the wild, animals kill other animals for food. It?s nature!? First of all, we are not in the wild. Secondly, we can easily live without eating meat and killing, not to mention we?d be healthier. And finally, as already shown, we weren?t meant to eat meat. Meat and seafood putrefies within 4 hours after consumption and the remnants cling to the walls of the stomach and intestines for 3-4 days or longer than if a person is constipated. Furthermore, the reaction of saliva in humans is more alkaline, whereas in the case of flesh-eating or preying animals, it is clearly acidic. The alkaline saliva does not act properly on meat.

    The final point on how we as humans were not meant to eat meat is this. All omnivorous and carnivorous animals eat their meat raw. When a lion kills a herbivore for food, it tears right into the stomach area to eat the organs that are filled with blood (nutrients). While eating the stomach, liver, intestine, etc., the lion laps the blood in the process of eating the dead animals flesh. Even bears that are omnivores eat salmon raw. However, eating raw or bloody meat disgust us as humans. Therefore, we must cook it and season it to buffer the taste of flesh.

    If a deer is burned in a forest fire, a carnivorous animal will NOT eat its flesh. Even circus lions have to be feed raw meat so that they will not starve to death. If humans were truly meant to eat meat, then we would eat all of our meat raw and bloody. The thought of eating such meat makes one?s stomach turn. This is my point on how we as humans are conditioned to believe that animal flesh is good for us and that we were meant to consume it for survival and health purposes. If we are true carnivores or omnivores, cooking our meat and seasoning it with salt, ketchup, or tabasco sauce will disguise the flavour and we as humans would refuse to eat our meat in this form. (Courtesy of Atma Jyoti Ashram)

    Just because we can eat meat doesn't mean we should. It is a moral issue as well as a biological one. We have no right to exploit animals for ANY reason.

    To return to the original poster, my reason for raising vegetarianism was to suggest that while it is commendable to do what we can to alleviate animal suffering, it is hypocritical to raise money for this cause while continuing to eat meat.

    It is also hypocritical to feel nauseated at the thought of eating a dog or cat while in reality it is no different to eating a pig or a chicken. Eating a filet mignon also known as Chateaubriand steak is still eating the Psoas major, a long fusiform muscle situated on the side of the lumbar region of the vertebral column and brim of the lesser pelvis of a dead steer or heifer. I fail to understand how one's digestive juices can get all fired up at this thought.

    The health facts are even more startling:

    Those who eat flesh are far more likely to contract cancer than those following a vegetarian diet.

    The risk of contracting breast cancer is 3.8 times greater for women who eat meat daily compared to less than once a week; 2.8 times greater for women who eat eggs daily compared to once a week; and 3.25 greater for women who eat butter and cheese 2 to 4 times a week as compared to once a week.

    The risk of fatal ovarian cancer is three times greater for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week as compared with less than once a week.

    The risk of fatal prostate cancer is 3.6 times greater for men who consume meat, cheese, eggs and milk daily as compared with sparingly or not at all.

    Heart attack is the most common cause of death in the U.S., killing one person every 45 seconds. The male meat-eater's risk of death from heart attack is 50%. The risk to men who eat no meat is 15%. Reducing one's consumption of meat, dairy and eggs by 10% reduces the risk of heart attack by 10%. Completely eliminating these products from one's diet reduces the risk of heart attack by 90%.

    The average cholesterol consumption of a meat-centered diet is 210 milligrams per day. The chance of dying from heart disease if you are male and your blood cholesterol is 210 milligrams daily is greater than 50%.

    In the U.S. alone, 660,000 animals are killed for meat every hour. A surprising quantity of meat is consumed by the meat-eater. The average per capita consumption of meat in the U.S., Canada and Australia is 200 pounds per year! The average American consumes in a 72-year lifetime approximately 11 cattle, 3 lambs and sheep, 23 hogs, 45 turkeys, 1,100 chickens and 862 pounds of fish! Bon appetite!

    People who come in contact with slaughterhouses cannot help but be affected by what they see and hear. Those living nearby must daily experience the screams of terror and anger of the animals led to slaughter. Those working inside must also see and participate in the crimes of mayhem and murder. Most who choose this line of work are not on the job for long. Of all occupations in the U.S., slaughterhouse worker has the highest turnover rate.

    Finally, I have never seen the attraction to having lumps of dead animal carcass which are several days or weeks old on my dinner plate, no matter what cooking method or sauce is used to disguise the repulsive smell and taste. I love animals so I don't eat them!

    themagician

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