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Black Hat Code Breaker - Why Not Non-Incentive?

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by zonfar, Aug 27, 2009.

  1. zonfar

    zonfar Power Member

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    I see all these warnings about only using BHCB with incentive offers, why not without? From what it looks like it fakes the refer so they don't know where its coming from. So why not use whatever offer without worried of a ban from whatever network since theres no trace?
     
  2. (.) (.)

    (.) (.) Regular Member

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    Well I don't know which version you are talking about but the version that I purchased doesn't fake shit....
     
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  3. three3s

    three3s Regular Member

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    I think one of the reasons is because people feel that incentivised offers are shaved a lot more than non incent offers.
     
  4. safaristyle

    safaristyle Regular Member

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    the reason is me...lol I used Non-Incentive offer then fake the referrar with cpa redirector and still got banned..lost $800
     
  5. alcapon3

    alcapon3 Junior Member

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    don't put your eggs in one basket
     
  6. jimmyc

    jimmyc Newbie

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    hey safari witch network may I ask?
     
  7. madinaz

    madinaz BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    The reason is that if your doing a rebill product and used incentive leads 99% will cancel. This is a big red flag that you did incentive and your aff network will ban you
     
  8. MandatoryMagic

    MandatoryMagic Registered Member

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    Just use email subs and fake them with cparedir.
     
  9. HONKEYHAM

    HONKEYHAM Newbie

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    Can you explain this statement for my dim mind?

    "If you want to incentivise non-incentivizable offers, do something that doesnt require a credit card, or that is dependent on a rebill or continuity model. You'll have much more success because the quality of your leads is a little harder to judge."
     
  10. zonfar

    zonfar Power Member

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    I was never thinking about doing any offers with CC, mostly email submits, or just a couple page offer. But what is this cparedirect? I searched and found more posts talking about it, but cant find what it is exactly. Is it another link shortener?

    edit: think I just found it. Its a wordpress plugin, im not using wordpress though :(
     
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  11. TheInternetHustler

    TheInternetHustler Regular Member

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    I use incent offers to avoid a ban, I dont want to get flagged as having low quality leads...
     
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  12. gimme4free

    gimme4free Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    You do not have to use it with WP, I made my own simple version of it here:

    Code:
    <?php 
    // Add this code to the very top of the file that you would like to be the fake referrer and then link to this file like this:
    // http://yoursite.com/file.php?goto=111 (Where 111 = the number below).
    
    // Change the number below to any number you want, affiliate networks may hook onto the 111 so it would be best to change.
    $num = "111";
    
    // Change the below link to your affiliate link.
    $url = "http://blackhattoolz.com/logger.php";
    
    // Do not edit below
    if (isset($_GET['goto']) && $_GET['goto']==$num){    
        echo "<html><head></head><body><form action=\""."http://".$_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'].$_SERVER['PHP_SELF']."\" method=\"post\" id=\"linkrefer\"><input type=\"hidden\"  name=\"num\" value=\"".$num."\" /></form><script language=\"JavaScript\">document.getElementById(\"linkrefer\").submit();</script></body></html>";
        return true;
        exit();
        }
    if (isset($_POST['num']) && $_POST['num']==$num){    
        echo "<script>window.location.replace(\"$url\")</script>)";
        }
    ?>
     
  13. pole88

    pole88 Newbie

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    how can i distinguish Incentive and non-Incentive offers?
     
  14. gimme4free

    gimme4free Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    It says whether they are incent or non-incent in your affiliate account for each offer.
     
  15. pole88

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    hmm ..in my german affiliate-network i can't find it =(
     
  16. Alex Brooks

    Alex Brooks BANNED BANNED

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    CPA companies are not stupid; it's pretty obvious if your running e-mail/zip submit offers, you traffic has a blank ref, also the fact that the traffic is pretty much pointless seeing as the user is only submitting it in order to unlock content. If you want my advice, use the websites gateway as they are able to tell if the users really did fill in a form or not, your not able to do this with blackhat codebreaker, infact it's so simple to avoid having to fill in anything with blackhat codebreaker.
     
  17. MandatoryMagic

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    You can easily avoid that by faking the referrer to a legit looking wp site and setting the unlock time on BHCP to like 2mins so that it actually might convert.

    If you really cared about it converting, then you would just change the time to like 10 mins.
     
  18. butlimous

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    Simple because non incentive offers should have good conversion rates and by conversion rates I mean people putting credit card info not just filling their email address and go..If you don't get a good conversion rate, your leads will get scrubbed a lot and eventually you will get banned before payment :( On the other side, incentive offers shouldn't have high conversion rate because they are incentive
     
  19. MandatoryMagic

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    You guys know that regardless of if the lead converts right away, the really valuable thing for the CPA Networks or rather their advertisers is the email address. That's why it's a email submit.

    These things are spammed to hell and most often the advertiser will make enough from that alone to cover it, converting on the front-end is a bonus.
     
  20. Jared255

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    WRONG. The email submits make them next to nothing. They get paid when someone does a silver/gold/platnium offer, not submitting their email. Think about it, do you ever open up any spam emails, let alone buy anything from them?

    This is why people say constantly "If they don't convert, you get banned". The advertisers gain nothing from the leads unless they "convert" AKA start filling out the offers.