BitCoin and Cryptocurrencies - Will they fail? My 3 Predictions!


That Forbes article is interesting:
"BTC China was China?s first Bitcoin exchange. It had been around since June 2011, but ? it was just two guys working part-time and a website,? says Lee. It was seeing trading of a few hundred bitcoins per day. Lee approached the creators at the beginning of this year about turning it into a company and making it bigger. He invested his own money, and brought in funders, and they established headquarters in Shanghai; six months later, they have 20 employees in engineering, product design and customer service."

imagine how well those 2 guys did from June 2011 to January 2013. Very well! Wonder if they are members here?
 
Bitcoins Growing In Value And Popularity In China, But Investors Should Be Careful

"Every time the bitcoin market boomed, it was driven by a stunt and not backed by real transactions," Liu said, according to Caixin.

Source:http://www.ibtimes.com/bitcoins-growing-value-popularity-china-investors-should-be-careful-1461062



[h=1]Bitcoin Researcher Says It's ‘Folly' to Ignore New Attack[/h]The author of a paper that describes a new attack on the Bitcoin protocol says that criticisms of the paper are misguided and that there are serious problems with Bitcoin that need to be addressed.

Source: http://threatpost.com/bitcoin-researcher-says-its-folly-to-ignore-new-attack



Why the case for Bitcoin at $340 is not that crazy after all

A more interesting question to ponder, however, is whether bitcoin is in a bubble that is bound to pop, or is the price appreciation healthy and sustainable based on its link to gains in the general awareness and desirability of the cryptocurrency as a value store? There are strong cases in both regards.

Source:http://pandodaily.com/2013/11/08/the-case-for-bitcoin-at-340-is-not-that-crazy-after-all/


[h=1]Bitcoin Shares Soar North of $300, Look Out for the Crash
[/h]Bitcoins have nearly doubled in value in the just the last month alone, going from $125 at the start of October to around $310, depending on where you look. The virtual currency is currently trading at an all-time high, and that has some scratching their heads and others warning of a crash.

Source: http://hothardware.com/News/Bitcoin-Shares-Soar-North-of-300-Look-Out-for-the-Crash/
 
To much increasing. Super unstable.

I think it will crash soon. :(

But but, if last week i buy with $160.00 per BTC.

And this week I sell it back for $325 - $160 = $165 profits already. :(
 
I think that bitcoin has already shown that a single global currency, easy to trade online, and get access to, should be an important topic of discussion at the bilderburg, and is probably already being given very advanced "priority".

Liquidity is almost certainly the most important feature of any currency/market, and if a digital currency becomes large enough, all governments will join together to back it, so they can actually help channel the funds into "safe institutions" where you then pay tax.

I think paypal will join in shortly, and allow you to receive/send them, that will be a big shaker.

DING DING DING!

That folks is part of the ONLY reason I still keep an eye on the bitcoin news. Fundamentally bitcoin has faults, and it isn't the most secure monetary system out there.

But...

The main reason Bitcoin has had quite a surge and is trending again over the last few months, is because it is gradually being "endorsed" by China so to speak. The USD is by no means a rock solid currency given the 18 trillion dollar debt. China would love to establish itself with a more widespread currency, with the hub of exchange/home being China themselves. Granted Baidu has been the main "advocate" for Bitcoin, but we all know China pretty much runs Baidu anyway.

The Euro-Zone somehow merging or adopting Bitcoin would be huge, but it is going to be at least 10 years before that would ever happen, it isn't really feasible right now given the level of technology all of society needs to have access to for Bitcoin.

If the United States hadn't hired a web developer from Odesk, and had averted their health care website problems, maybe they would wake up and realize that it is probably in their best interest to start seizing Bitcoins and outlaw trading....

Just realize Bitcoin could have huge political implications, which is why ultimately I think it will fail, certain powers will never let those implications come into play.
 
Everything you need to know about the Bitcoin ‘bubble'


The price of bitcoins rose above $300 for the first time ever Friday, sparking renewed media attention and fresh claims that the high price represents nothing more than a speculative bubble. Unfortunately, the debate over the currency's future has generated more heat than light, with both sides making arguments that don't stand up to scrutiny. To help cut through the clutter, here's a comprehensive guide to the debate over Bitcoin's future.

Is there a Bitcoin bubble?
No one knows. The value of Bitcoins has soared by a factor of 1,000 since the beginning of 2011. Today, the value of all outstanding bitcoins is now around $4 billion. So far, the volume of Bitcoin-based commerce isn't close to being large enough to justify that high valuation.
But people who are buying bitcoins today aren't doing so based on today's Bitcoin-based commerce. They're making a bet that the demand for bitcoins will go up dramatically in the coming years. The supply of Bitcoins is fixed. So if Bitcoin becomes an important part of the global financial system, its value would need to go a lot higher to accommodate the millions or billions of Bitcoin-based transactions that might occur in the future.
So the question is whether someone will develop a "killer app" that will push Bitcoin into the mainstream. If that happens, the value of Bitcoin could go even higher. If it doesn't, then sooner or later the currency's value will plummet.

What's the case for Bitcoin optimism?
A comparison with the Internet can help illustrate why people are excited about Bitcoin. In the late 1980s, the Internet wasn't a very impressive online service. It was expensive to join, complicated to use, and it featured text-based applications like e-mail and message boards that weren't obviously better than commercial online services like Compuserve, Prodigy and AOL.
But the Internet had an advantage that commercial online services did not: Its open architecture meant that anyone was free to create new online services. In 1990, a programmer named Tim Berners-Lee created a new Internet application called the World Wide Web that offered advanced features like graphics and hyperlinks. And within a few years, thousands of people had begun building Web sites on top of this new platform. Startups like Yahoo, eBay and Hotmail began to build sophisticated Web-based services. Within a few years, the Internet had vastly more content and services than the companies that ran AOL or Prodigy could hope to produce.
Bitcoin is the world's first completely open payment network, and it could spark the same type of bottom-up innovation. Mainstream electronic payment networks like Visa and Mastercard are managed by incumbent banks. If you want to interoperate with them — to become a merchant, open a bank of your own or develop a new payment technology — you have to convince these banks that you're credit-worthy, that your business plan makes sense, and that you will comply with their policies and procedures. That limits who can innovate and what kinds of business models they can try. In contrast, the Bitcoin network works like the Internet: There are no restrictions on who can join or what kinds of applications they can build.

Wait, you're talking about Bitcoin as a payment network, but I thought the point of Bitcoin was as an alternative to the Federal Reserve and its inflationary fiat money.
Some Bitcoin enthusiasts think that, but they're wrong. Allegedly, the problem with the dollar is that it loses value over time. Bitcoin supporters sometimes point out that the dollar has lost more than 90 percent of its value over the last century.
But that seems silly when we remember that Bitcoin has been known to lose more than 90 percent of its value in a matter of weeks. Whatever virtues Bitcoin has, stability of value is clearly not one of them.

You say that anyone is free to build new services using the Bitcoin network. But what specifically are you talking about? The only significant applications I've seen are gambling, drug deals and speculation on the future price of Bitcoin. That's hardly a promising start for a new financial system.
There's no good data on how people are using Bitcoin, but anecdotally it does seem like gambling, speculation and drug deals account for a sizable fraction of Bitcoin transactions. But other applications are possible, and we're starting to see some of them appear already.
For example, in September, the Bitcoin startup Bitpay announced that it had signed up 10,000 customers, up from just 1,000 a year before. Bitpay makes it easy for merchants to accept Bitcoins by automatically converting Bitcoin payments into dollars and depositing them into vendors' conventional bank accounts. And merchants like accepting Bitcoins because the Bitcoin network doesn't have "chargebacks," the process whereby credit card users dispute transactions to demand their money back.
Other applications for Bitcoin are more speculative, but they could wind up being big markets. An obvious one is international payments. Right now, to transfer cash from one country to another, you generally have to use an expensive wire transfer service like Western Union. Startups could use Bitcoin to build a decentralized, global system for international money transfers that is both cheaper and more convenient than what's available today.
Also, it's important to remember that one country's illicit application can be another country's civil liberties. Imagine a political dissident in Iran or China who wants to sign up for VPN service to help them evade domestic censorship or to sign up for Western Web hosting service to create an uncensored blog. Doing that kind of transaction with a conventional credit card is too risky, since the authorities can trace the transaction back to its source. It may be much safer to trade cash for Bitcoins in the local underground market, and then use bitcoins to pay for online services. There are already lots of VPN services that accept bitcoins.
But the most important applications may be ones that are hard to predict today. For example, conventional payment apps like Square have to comply with rules established by established credit card networks. A Bitcoin-based payments app could offer security, convenience or cost advantages that the rules of the conventional banking system prevent Square from offering. It's hard to predict the specifics, just as it would have been hard to predict YouTube or Facebook in 1990. But it's not crazy to think that someone will figure out how to use the Bitcoin network to build services that might not work on conventional payment networks.

That sounds great in theory, but Bitcoin is not user-friendly at all. You have to run weird software, and if you screw up, your money is gone forever. Even if people come up with innovative uses for Bitcoin, are ordinary consumers really going to go through the hassle?
It's true that Bitcoin could be more user-friendly. But the Internet analogy suggests that this might not be as big of a problem as it seems.
The Internet of the 1980s was every bit as intimidating to use as Bitcoin is today. But over time, people built more sophisticated and user-friendly services on top of the basic infrastructure provided by the Internet. Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web, allowing people to browse the Internet using a familiar point and click interface. PC makers like Apple built PCs with built-in modems and user-friendly software to help them get online more easily. Technology companies built user-friendly Web applications like Facebook and Gmail. Most recently, smart phones and tablets have made the Internet accessible to millions of users who found PC computing too complicated.
Bitcoin is likely to go through a similar process. Originally, Bitcoin was exclusively a sandbox for tech-savvy nerds. Today, using Bitcoin is still a lot less convenient than conventional financial networks, but startups like Bitpay (which helps merchants accept bitcoins) and Coinbase (which helps users acquire and spend them) are making it more accessible to mere mortals. That process will continue, with startups exploring new ways to make the system more secure, convenient and user-friendly.

Okay, what's the case for Bitcoin pessimism?
The most serious risk is that Bitcoin never finds its killer app — that it remains a niche currency used by nerds and drug dealers. That's a very real possibility, as right now most applications of Bitcoin are still speculative. And if no killer app is developed, then eventually the value of bitcoins will collapse.
Another major risk is hostility from governments. Bitcoin doesn't fit comfortably in established regulatory categories, and because no one owns the Bitcoin network, there's no one who can be ordered to modify the network to work more like conventional payment networks. There's some danger that regulators, especially in the United States, will conclude that Bitcoin is primarily a platform for illicit activities such as drug dealing and money laundering. They wouldn't succeed in eliminating the currency, any more than Hollywood has succeeded in shutting down online piracy. But they could push Bitcoin underground and prevent legitimate businesses from using the technology.
But so far, policymakers have taken the opposite tack. While the government has aggressively prosecuted individuals who have used Bitcoin for illicit purposes, they've been careful to say that they have no quarrel with the underlying Bitcoin technology. Leaders of the Bitcoin community have emphasized that they're anxious to work with policymakers to comply with applicable regulations to the extent that they're able to do so.
A final threat is that Bitcoin could be superseded by another virtual currency. Leading candidates include litecoin and Ripple. Right now, that doesn't seem like a major threat. Bitcoin enjoys what economists call "network effects": the currency with the largest user base is the most useful, further entrenching its status as the most popular. So far, there's no sign of Bitcoin losing ground to these newer alternatives.

What about Bitcoin's deflation problem? I've read that the fixed supply of bitcoins makes Bitcoin deflationary. And deflation has terrible economic consequences, right?
It's true that unduly tight monetary policy can be economically ruinous, as the experience of the Great Depression makes clear. But deflation is only harmful when a currency is used as what economists call a "unit of account" — that is, the unit with which peoples' salaries, mortgages and other long-term financial commitments are denominated. If the United States decided to abandon the dollar and begin using the Bitcoin as the unit for all major financial transactions, then deflation would be a serious concern.
Fortunately, no one expects this to happen, and Bitcoin doesn't have to become a unit of account for it to succeed as an alternative currency. People can continue quoting prices in conventional currencies such as dollars or euros, and convert these amounts to the equivalent number of Bitcoins at the time of payment. Many merchants already do this.
As for the idea that the rising value of bitcoins will cause people to hoard Bitcoins rather than spending them, that's based on flawed reasoning. If everyone holding bitcoins expect their value to rise dramatically in the future, then the price will rise now, until some Bitcoin holders are willing to part with their Bitcoins.

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ng-you-need-to-know-about-the-bitcoin-bubble/
 
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bitcoin is in a bubble, but just because the bubble will pop, does not mean that it will go to zero. In fact, every bitcoin bubble to date has ended with bitcoin above where it started.

we started getting "bubble-ish" around $150. So, I expect that when this bubble pops, bitcoin will stabilize above $150.
 
High demand, limited Bitcoins, China is heavily in the game, PayPal and some of the other big players are seriously considering possibilities to join the game. More and more people are learning about Bitcoin everyday, that means more and more demand and at the same time the amount of Bitcoin is increasing very slowly. All that means price will go up and up and up maybe sometimes there will be correction, but then it will go again up. I think price of $xxxx in the middle range will not be surprise in 2014. Also I thing Litecoin soon will start to go up, maybe it is a good time to buy some. Also more and more developers are working with bBitcoin to make it more popular among "normal" people.
 
High demand, limited Bitcoins, China is heavily in the game, PayPal and some of the other big players are seriously considering possibilities to join the game. More and more people are learning about Bitcoin everyday, that means more and more demand and at the same time the amount of Bitcoin is increasing very slowly. All that means price will go up and up and up maybe sometimes there will be correction, but then it will go again up. I think price of $xxxx in the middle range will not be surprise in 2014. Also I thing Litecoin soon will start to go up, maybe it is a good time to buy some. Also more and more developers are working with bBitcoin to make it more popular among "normal" people.
that's the gist of what is going on.

One thing, with Litecoin, what does it offer that you can't get elsewhere? At best, it is a vehicle for arbitraging bitcoin exchanges that also accept litecoin. But other than that, I see no practical utility, it has a small user base, even smaller merchant base, and doesn't seem to be catching on in any real way.
 
bitcoin is in a bubble, but just because the bubble will pop, does not mean that it will go to zero. In fact, every bitcoin bubble to date has ended with bitcoin above where it started.

we started getting "bubble-ish" around $150. So, I expect that when this bubble pops, bitcoin will stabilize above $150.

The bubble won't burst YET but there will be a correction, and I do agree with your figure of $150, as I stated previously I see a dip and 2 further gains before the New Year. Come the New Year a % of people who jumped on board to make a quick profit will look to offload as they realise they have overspent over the holiday period. Will the number of people be enough to cause a panic, I don't know but I do see a fall in January.

High demand, limited Bitcoins, China is heavily in the game, PayPal and some of the other big players are seriously considering possibilities to join the game. More and more people are learning about Bitcoin everyday, that means more and more demand and at the same time the amount of Bitcoin is increasing very slowly. All that means price will go up and up and up maybe sometimes there will be correction, but then it will go again up. I think price of $xxxx in the middle range will not be surprise in 2014. Also I thing Litecoin soon will start to go up, maybe it is a good time to buy some. Also more and more developers are working with bBitcoin to make it more popular among "normal" people.

What Chinese person wouldn't be attracted to a platform that allows them to transfer wealth easily and almost anonymously?
The fact China have now got involved could be very good thing for BTC. Some say this is a gimmick that has caused the current increases but we will have to wait and see.
 
I think this bitcoin stuff will be sooner or later owned by someone big who will rull this currency like a national bank does.
They will buy or sell coins so the currency stays stable. That will attract people, they will buy coins but then they will slowly start loosing money because there will be taxes and stuff.
 
The bubble won't burst YET but there will be a correction, and I do agree with your figure of $150, as I stated previously I see a dip and 2 further gains before the New Year.
the likelihood of the bubble bursting to the degree you are talking about (btc=0) is next to none.

We're due for a major correction, which will be considered as the bubble bursting, but there seems to still be a lot of support still coming into bitcoin, especially in the East. There won't be 2 more major bubbles this year, so you're really just talking about the current movement.

Still, even with a major collapse, I don't see us dipping below $150 for a while.

And yes, I see us closing 2013 higher than the current price.

Come the New Year a % of people who jumped on board to make a quick profit will look to offload as they realise they have overspent over the holiday period. Will the number of people be enough to cause a panic, I don't know but I do see a fall in January.
while possible the scenario you are describing makes up a very small portion of money currently invested. The vast majority is now professional traders, and they are jumping on the lows right now, just due to all the market signals.

What crystal ball are you looking at to see these things, anyway? It certainly isn't based on market indicators.


What Chinese person wouldn't be attracted to a platform that allows them to transfer wealth easily and almost anonymously?
The fact China have now got involved could be very good thing for BTC. Some say this is a gimmick that has caused the current increases but we will have to wait and see.
it's not a gimmick at all, the Chinese are now the major holders of BTC, and are putting more money into bitcoin than has ever been invested. The major chinese exchange is now the world's largest. Chinese transactions now make up over 50% of the network.

That's not a gimmick, that's an emerging market with widespread adoption.

And you know what? It's just getting started. New money is flowing into the Chinese market at an unprecedented rate. We haven't even really hit the media stage of the current bubble, major news about this week's gains will fuel major new gains for next week and the week after.

Here's the deal, major media attention right now means new money hits bitcoin in 3-10 business days. There's a lag between media attention and price increases. The price increases right now are due to the news about "China's google" accepting bitcoin and the guy that invest $27 that's worth like $1M, now. The news about the all-time highs and YTD yield are just getting going, so we haven't even seen the effects of that, yet.
 
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Why dollars are better than bitcoins (and always will be)
Summary: Say anything negative about Bitcoin and the moles come out of the dark to throw stones. But the truth is that dollars are better than Bitcoins. And here's why.
http://www.zdnet.com/why-dollars-are-better-than-bitcoins-and-always-will-be-7000022986/

Op-Ed: Critiquing Bitcoin
Bitcoin has been hailed as the greatest innovation since sliced bread. Whether or not that is indeed the case, caveat emptor!
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/361757

Just Like the Gold Rush, Big Money Is in Bitcoin Mining Equipment
http://www.casino.org/news/just-like-the-gold-rush-big-money-is-in-bitcoin-mining-equipment

ForexMinute Now Reviews Some Top Bitcoin Brokers
http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1576930
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/11/prweb11314687.htm

Bitcoin: an alternative, digital cryptocurrency
http://www.royalgazette.com/article/20131109/COLUMN07/131109738

Bitcoin Virtual Currency...Passing Fad or Worthwhile Investment?
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/11/bitcoin-virtual-currencypassing-fad-or.html

Canada Revenue Agency says tax rules apply to bitcoin
http://www.coindesk.com/canada-revenue-agency-tax-rules-apply-bitcoin/

Familiar Price Gains, Updated Infrastructure: A Look at the Bitcoin Economy (Part 1)
http://thegenesisblock.com/familiar-price-gains-updated-infrastructure-look-bitcoin-economy-part-1/

Bitcoin Could Go To $US1 Million
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/bitcoin-price-2013-11
http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-price-2013-11

Bitcoin on fire as proponents prognosticate stratospheric rise
http://www.slashgear.com/bitcoin-on-fire-as-proponents-prognosticate-stratospheric-rise-09304832/

Markets More: Bitcoin
In One Slide, Here's Why Bitcoin Bulls Think It Could Go To $37,815
http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-investment-trust-slide-2013-11

Online Gambling With The Bitcoin Lottery
http://www.online-casinos.com/news/news0912482.asp

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I know a lot of you guys think that Bitcoin is a bubble. But usually when bubbles burst it doesn't end up climbing back up. Multiple bubble in BTC have already happened but it has always climbed up higher than before. China is already heavily invested into Bitcoins; Ebay and Paypal have also hinted at using Bitcoin. It's already passed the $4 billion market cap and I've been watching it rise. The value of BTC in China is around $40 higher than what it is in the US. If you haven't yet and if you can afford it, I highly suggest putting around $20-$40 a day into BTC. It's currently rising and it has a high chance of going to $500 per bitcoin. I'm a freelance writer and one of my contracts currently pays me in Bitcoins. The only thing I regret about this contract is that I didn't ask for all of it up-front at the beginning of last month.
 
I think this bitcoin stuff will be sooner or later owned by someone big who will rull this currency like a national bank does.
They will buy or sell coins so the currency stays stable. That will attract people, they will buy coins but then they will slowly start loosing money because there will be taxes and stuff.

there's a problem with your logic. Bitcoin isn't "owned" by anyone. It's decentralized.
 
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Here's the deal, major media attention right now means new money hits bitcoin in 3-10 business days. There's a lag between media attention and price increases. The price increases right now are due to the news about "China's google" accepting bitcoin and the guy that invest $27 that's worth like $1M, now. The news about the all-time highs and YTD yield are just getting going, so we haven't even seen the effects of that, yet.

I agree and people are shouting these things so loudly that anything negative about BTC is being drowned out.
All people are hearing, OR WANT TO HEAR, are about the massive gains.
This doesn't meant it is sustainable.
 
there's a problem with your logic. Bitcoin isn't "owned" by anyone. It's decentralized.
Thank you for mentioning this! A lot of people make uneducated assumptions about bitcoins without any knowledge about how it works. I really think that bitcoins is going to be the next big thing due to the fact that so many people are using it and it's completely anonymous/non-taxable. In countries like China, where the government is highly centralized it is extremely value to the people who live there. Also, the government in China is actively encouraging it's population to engage in bitcoins. You can even buy real-estate with bitcoins in China now.
 
listen, W130SN, please don't post a bunch of links from crap sites like businessinsider. Not only are they full of shit, it just spreads misinformation by people who do not understand bitcoin, nor currencies as a whole. the majority of the links you posted just then are not credible at all.

As far as dollars being better than Bitcoin, that's just plain false. Every single day, the value of your USD falls. EVERY DAY. Even if bitcoin maintained its value (didn't increase), it would be leaps above the USD. That article you linked to seem to brush off centralized control like it was no big deal, but when it means that your savings is constantly decreasing in buying power, it means a whole lot.

Another thing he seems to ignore is counterfeiting. Counterfeit Fiat is a major problem and costs billions of dollars annually. Bitcoin is immune to that. No big deal, I guess.

To even send USD worldwide or instantly, you need a variety of services to help you out, and they all take fees (like credit card companies). Bitcoin's sending is in the core protocol. Another win for BTC that was ignored in that article. Try sending $10M to China right now in USD. it'll cost you a small fortune. In Bitcoin, it'll cost you $0.17. That's less than a postage stamp.

So, no, USD isn't even close, and for people who can't even see the disadvantages of old-world tech in a new tech world, then they'll be left behind, just like all those bookstores that said "no one will ever buy books online"
 
op it is great thread, very nice, very neat.
however u lost me on the crash of economy. and crash of system.
system is not as fragile as you think.
let say there is 10billion $ equal currency in bittcoin only in the world. that roughly 2 dollar per person.
it is all about taxes.
the system does not simply crash just like that over a currency,
or it would had crashed in iraq war or whatever big war u can pick
 
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