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http://twitter.com/#!/mattcutts/status/32579379376685056
"some random dude registered hiybbprqag.com and made it redirect to our jobs page--that wasn't us (!)."
lex was it you?
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Bing is copying Google! What? See inside.
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http://twitter.com/#!/mattcutts/status/32579379376685056
"some random dude registered hiybbprqag.com and made it redirect to our jobs page--that wasn't us (!)."
lex was it you?
aldragon
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- Aug 5, 2010
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Hi guys,
"Half of GOOgle's revenue comes from selling text-based ads that are placed near search results and are related to the topic of the search. Another half of its revenues come from licensing its search technology to companies like Yahoo." Eric Schmidt
"Half of GOOgle's revenue comes from selling text-based ads that are placed near search results and are related to the topic of the search. Another half of its revenues come from licensing its search technology to companies like Yahoo." Eric Schmidt
GreyWolf
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- Aug 17, 2009
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That's not actually correct. While it's true that the websites it includes in it's search are not theirs, once they collect all the names, index it, and then use that information to create a list then that list can be copyrighted. Copyright applies to the situation in the same manner as it does for maps, encyclopedias, and other representations of collected data.
In copyright law it's a category called "derivative works" and it carries the same copyright protection as original works do.
Even public domain works are only considered public domain if taken from original sources. If a publisher publishes a public domain document and then you want to use it yourself, you actually have to go find the original source. If you just copy from the publishers book you violated a copyright. The Gutenberg Project is good example, all the works you find in the project are public domain. While Project Gutenberg actually wants you to copy from their database because it's part of their mission, they do still require you to leave the Project Gutenberg copyright in place when you distribute it.
So basically if Bing collects data from the Internet, indexes it by whatever factors it chooses and then it's results pages are the same or similar to Google's results then that's just the nature of indexing from the same sources.
On the other hand, if Bing uses results of searches on Google as a factor in it's own indexing process then they would be in violation of Google's copyrights.
Having said that I also think you're right though that there isn't much there going to be able to do about it. Microsoft has a history as a company that takes whatever it can from other companies to build it's own products until they have something complete enough to start evolving further on their own. Microsoft has never been a company of innovators, it's just really good at dominating the market share with their versions of whatever products they acquire. Apple had their lawsuit over windows, Netscape had their lawsuit over IE, and there's been many other examples of MS doing whatever they want. Regardless of the legal results, the real world results has always been nothing changes and MS market share becomes even stronger.
Google may or may not pursue a lawsuit over this situation. They'll just keep looking into it further until they decide if they have enough to use against them or not. Bing knows they're caught now so MS will adjust what it's doing to protect itself and in the end whatever happens MS will just keep on doing what it does.
Bing doesn't even have to become better than Google, it doesn't even have to become as good. All it has to do is get Average Joe to make it their default browser and they win. I think Bing has a long way to go to beat Google, but if any company has a shot it's Microsoft.
Did anyone think about it that way:
Bing is still behind Google in terms of it's search engine algorithms - maybe Google found a way to manipulate Bing's results to make it seem like Bing does copy Google's search results... Like - we had that loophole once(whatever they exploited), let's see if it works on bing.
Or maybe Google got some insider information from a Bing employee. they just figured hey let's try that, its gonna be a huge publicity gag to make people think that bing is nothing more then Google with Microsoft stamped all over it.
Think about it - I didn't read anything about a lawsuit. Google does not own it's search results, but in this case Bing would be abusing Google's TOS on a huge scale with proxies - enough for a lawsuit. Using that many proxies to copy Googles results could (in theory) endanger Googles operation for it's visitors which would be like a direct attack...
Think about it No 2: Who should be the greatest blackhatters in the world? The google guys - they know the algorithm, they evolved the whole process, they will be very good in guessing (and knowing how to verify) how their competitors algorithms work because they are still one step (minimum) ahead. We on the other hand have nothing but what google published, and trial and error.
Microsoft can't be that stupid. ALL they had to do is filter search results with a good thesaurus before copying them! Come on. I see "marketing gag" printed all over it.
Bing is still behind Google in terms of it's search engine algorithms - maybe Google found a way to manipulate Bing's results to make it seem like Bing does copy Google's search results... Like - we had that loophole once(whatever they exploited), let's see if it works on bing.
Or maybe Google got some insider information from a Bing employee. they just figured hey let's try that, its gonna be a huge publicity gag to make people think that bing is nothing more then Google with Microsoft stamped all over it.
Think about it - I didn't read anything about a lawsuit. Google does not own it's search results, but in this case Bing would be abusing Google's TOS on a huge scale with proxies - enough for a lawsuit. Using that many proxies to copy Googles results could (in theory) endanger Googles operation for it's visitors which would be like a direct attack...
Think about it No 2: Who should be the greatest blackhatters in the world? The google guys - they know the algorithm, they evolved the whole process, they will be very good in guessing (and knowing how to verify) how their competitors algorithms work because they are still one step (minimum) ahead. We on the other hand have nothing but what google published, and trial and error.
Microsoft can't be that stupid. ALL they had to do is filter search results with a good thesaurus before copying them! Come on. I see "marketing gag" printed all over it.
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So, apparently Bing should advertise themselves as "black hat friendly"!!!
Now that is funny!
DMSEsquire
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- Dec 4, 2010
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Hardcore LOL
I was just about to start a thread on this, but I think I'll just derail this one lol. Anyway who cares about their petty feud...
What are the chances that Bing has already stopped using using the IE data? If they still are, it sounds like an opportunity to run a few hundred instances of IE with privacy disabled, search for your keywords on Google a few thousand times a day and auto-click your sites!
Unfortunately I have no idea how to automate IE like this. Any suggestions?
What are the chances that Bing has already stopped using using the IE data? If they still are, it sounds like an opportunity to run a few hundred instances of IE with privacy disabled, search for your keywords on Google a few thousand times a day and auto-click your sites!
Unfortunately I have no idea how to automate IE like this. Any suggestions?
DMSEsquire
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Sure, just download AutoHotKey and you're good to go. Record a macro that activates a proxy service like HideMyIP, then visits Google via IE to search for something, then clicks your website, then closes the browser, then repeats the process.
xfactornos
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lol wow, thats crazy, :-D Copy what works.
Anubis1980
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One thing for sure that bing needs to copy is the google webmaster tools - cache removal. Often if you have to remove something from google cache it's very straightforward as long as you have access to the site and can remove the original.
With bing you can delete the original (be it a blog post or forum post) and it will stay in their cache soooo long. There is a form to fill out to have it removed except they just shoot e-mails back to you saying "sorry we cannot remove the cache, it will be removed naturally the next time bing reindexes the site".
With bing you can delete the original (be it a blog post or forum post) and it will stay in their cache soooo long. There is a form to fill out to have it removed except they just shoot e-mails back to you saying "sorry we cannot remove the cache, it will be removed naturally the next time bing reindexes the site".
bijikpalir
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- Feb 27, 2009
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Oh man, that was hilarious!