Dear BHW friends,
I am in need of counselling and I can?t go to a regular counsellor about this because they wouldn?t know about Warrior Forum. So I turn you my BHW friends. There have been a couple of other threads from fellow BHW members in distress as a result of excessive exposure to WF, here is coreygeer?s thread, and his first line says it all:
Or how about mudbutt:
Basically, I have been trying to launch a product as a WSO and it will be going live in a few weeks? time, but now although I have learnt a lot, most of the stuff I have learnt is pretty negative and disgusts me, so even thought I suppose they were lessons I had to learn, I regret even starting it now. I thought the WSO forum would be good as I heard it had big traffic, but I wasn?t aware of the sheer scale and nature of it, it?s so big and about a hundred new useless 7 buck products are popping up every day. It doesn?t matter that my product is actually pretty good, I can?t separate myself from being a part of that forum, I just completely underestimated the impact of being in that place for such a long time (a couple months), and interacting regularly on there. Now, there are a few good sellers and a few good posters on there, but you have to dig through about 600 tonnes of dirt to find a single good golden nugget of information. Thus, the sheer amount of misinformation on there is harmful to other people?s lives and businesses. And yes, I know most of these people getting screwed (whether from useless WSOs or the misinformation everywhere on the forums) are lazy sheep who wouldn?t succeed anyway, but it?s not necessarily their fault for not having what it takes. Sure, they may not have valuable qualities like intelligence or persistence or anything like that, but it doesn?t mean they are bad people who deserve to be screwed in every single orifice for the gain of the big ?gurus?. The gurus may have all these qualities e.g. intelligence, persistence and work ethic but are they good people? In my short interaction with a couple of super affiliates I would say they are generally dickheads. A couple of the relatively cool guys on the WF I was talking to said I should see them at their conferences it is like a giant circle jerk fest, they said it was sickening. But even those cool guys just gave me a funny feeling, it just didn?t feel right. I never know whether the guys there are actually being nice and helpful genuinely, or they are trying to jerk you off a bit so you will trust them and buy something from them or maybe jerk them off back.
Then it came for me to contact affiliates for my product, and I think this is what sent me over the edge. I was forced to interact far more actively with people on there, in their private skype groups and circle jerk parties. Without a giant list to promote them in return, I can?t take part in a lot of the circle jerking so no promotions for me. I was just a witness to all the most sickening circle jerking you can imagine and the myriad of useless elite super platinum courses or wordpress plugins or ridiculous income claims. You can have the biggest piece of crap product in the world, but if you?ve done enough circle jerking you can make huge amounts of cash. The extreme example of this is of course Frank Kern?s giant ?syndicate? of the top ?gurus? in the world who instead of competing with eachother to succeed, circle jerk eachother until they are all covered in hundreds of gallons of eachothers? spooge. I think wowhaxor said it perfectly in this post:
I began to want to give up. I set a launch date for over a month from now, time I was supposed to contact more affiliates and try to do some more circle jerking. But no, that?s it for me. I?ll ask a couple guys I know have similar products on BHW and anyone else from BHW who wants to help me but that?s it. I can?t do it anymore. Now I just can?t wait for it to be over. If mudbutt said he wanted to kick himself in the teeth, put it this way I was starting to want to shoot myself in the face from this bollocks. I felt sick looking at all the other WSOs offering useless wordpress plugins (I mean how many WP plugins do you really need?!) or guides to make $532834 in 2 days with the click of a button for $7. Or how about coaching programs where people make money by giving up their valuable guru time to teach people how to teach people how to teach people how to teach people how to teach people how to teach people how to make money! Then to scale up they just circle jerk a bit and laugh to the bank. This kind of shit makes me lose faith in humanity. At least nailing your site with Xrumer made me feel at ease with myself morally, I was pretty damn happy to get rankings doing exactly what Google told us not to do. I have no issue with taking on big companies but when giant ?guru? founded corporations pick off desperate newbies like flies, just because they are adults it doesn?t mean they?re not vulnerable. I felt honor in Xrumer, I think I can feel honor email marketing but only if I do it myself, generate traffic myself and stay away from all the shit to do with WF and similar ?guru? places.
But these useless products are STILL the things that sell the best, don?t people have any sense by now? Even if I got the biggest affiliates from WF to promote my stuff, I would just feel like the biggest dick for associating myself with the ?gurus?.
First of all, my plea to my BHW friends is just to give me some comfort and guidance. It doesn?t help to call me a pussy, even if you think that. Understand that over 2 months interacting regularly with WF is traumatic for a lot of people (see quotes above) not just me. So any wisdom, including any personal experience, would be greatly helpful for me right now.
Second, needless to say I am not going to be doing a WSO again. I think for my health and sanity I need to stay away from that place. But not just WF or other similar forums, but also the general practise of recruiting affiliates or general networking with ?gurus?, male to male jerking and butthole licking. If there is one thing I cannot stand, it?s talking to people that disgust me, which I have been doing for over 2 months now. Sure, many ?gurus? may be rich and you could call me a hater, and sure I would love to have the money they have, but I would actually much prefer to have less money and do things the way I see right, on my own, live happily, comfortably and healthily, and also mother fucking sleep at night. Can I get a witness. But by separating myself from the ?inner circle? of WF ?gurus? and the like, I am concerned that it may not be possible to succeed. As it seems anyone who is majorly successful in email marketing is a masterful circle jerker. I want to build a large, highly responsive list (opt-in, CAN SPAM compliant, using GetResponse) so that I can own and control my own traffic and tap into it whenever I want to, so if you are a BHWer and you?re doing something similar I would appreciate your input. I?ve done a lot of research so I don?t need spoon feeding, it?s just that a lot of my information on list building has come from WF, and even though it sounds sensible I would love to double check with people on BHW just to make sure it?s not the typical WF misinformation. I trust BHW information more but since there?s no really active email marketing section anymore, it?s hard to find these people. I will try and fail and try and fail until I succeed, I just need to know that it?s possible to do it on my own, or whether a prerequisite for success in email marketing is being a circle jerk junkie (in which case I would have a major problem).
Maybe one day me and a bunch of you BHWers can gatecrash a major ?guru? superconference wearing Viking helmets and BHW flags and BHW battle horns. OK maybe I?m not so mentally stable right now, lol, but it would still kick ass.
Finally, while BHW is not perfect, e.g. there is still scamming here and there (as there is everywhere online), there is no email marketing section in the public forum anymore (hence the Jr VIP one is quite dead), and there is too much focus on SEO (when there are better ways of generating traffic)... but still as far as the people goes, for the most part I much prefer it here. I always get good support and wise input and help without expectation of a reciprocal jerking.
Thanks for listening all,
JB
I am in need of counselling and I can?t go to a regular counsellor about this because they wouldn?t know about Warrior Forum. So I turn you my BHW friends. There have been a couple of other threads from fellow BHW members in distress as a result of excessive exposure to WF, here is coreygeer?s thread, and his first line says it all:
Or how about mudbutt:
Basically, I have been trying to launch a product as a WSO and it will be going live in a few weeks? time, but now although I have learnt a lot, most of the stuff I have learnt is pretty negative and disgusts me, so even thought I suppose they were lessons I had to learn, I regret even starting it now. I thought the WSO forum would be good as I heard it had big traffic, but I wasn?t aware of the sheer scale and nature of it, it?s so big and about a hundred new useless 7 buck products are popping up every day. It doesn?t matter that my product is actually pretty good, I can?t separate myself from being a part of that forum, I just completely underestimated the impact of being in that place for such a long time (a couple months), and interacting regularly on there. Now, there are a few good sellers and a few good posters on there, but you have to dig through about 600 tonnes of dirt to find a single good golden nugget of information. Thus, the sheer amount of misinformation on there is harmful to other people?s lives and businesses. And yes, I know most of these people getting screwed (whether from useless WSOs or the misinformation everywhere on the forums) are lazy sheep who wouldn?t succeed anyway, but it?s not necessarily their fault for not having what it takes. Sure, they may not have valuable qualities like intelligence or persistence or anything like that, but it doesn?t mean they are bad people who deserve to be screwed in every single orifice for the gain of the big ?gurus?. The gurus may have all these qualities e.g. intelligence, persistence and work ethic but are they good people? In my short interaction with a couple of super affiliates I would say they are generally dickheads. A couple of the relatively cool guys on the WF I was talking to said I should see them at their conferences it is like a giant circle jerk fest, they said it was sickening. But even those cool guys just gave me a funny feeling, it just didn?t feel right. I never know whether the guys there are actually being nice and helpful genuinely, or they are trying to jerk you off a bit so you will trust them and buy something from them or maybe jerk them off back.
Then it came for me to contact affiliates for my product, and I think this is what sent me over the edge. I was forced to interact far more actively with people on there, in their private skype groups and circle jerk parties. Without a giant list to promote them in return, I can?t take part in a lot of the circle jerking so no promotions for me. I was just a witness to all the most sickening circle jerking you can imagine and the myriad of useless elite super platinum courses or wordpress plugins or ridiculous income claims. You can have the biggest piece of crap product in the world, but if you?ve done enough circle jerking you can make huge amounts of cash. The extreme example of this is of course Frank Kern?s giant ?syndicate? of the top ?gurus? in the world who instead of competing with eachother to succeed, circle jerk eachother until they are all covered in hundreds of gallons of eachothers? spooge. I think wowhaxor said it perfectly in this post:
I began to want to give up. I set a launch date for over a month from now, time I was supposed to contact more affiliates and try to do some more circle jerking. But no, that?s it for me. I?ll ask a couple guys I know have similar products on BHW and anyone else from BHW who wants to help me but that?s it. I can?t do it anymore. Now I just can?t wait for it to be over. If mudbutt said he wanted to kick himself in the teeth, put it this way I was starting to want to shoot myself in the face from this bollocks. I felt sick looking at all the other WSOs offering useless wordpress plugins (I mean how many WP plugins do you really need?!) or guides to make $532834 in 2 days with the click of a button for $7. Or how about coaching programs where people make money by giving up their valuable guru time to teach people how to teach people how to teach people how to teach people how to teach people how to teach people how to make money! Then to scale up they just circle jerk a bit and laugh to the bank. This kind of shit makes me lose faith in humanity. At least nailing your site with Xrumer made me feel at ease with myself morally, I was pretty damn happy to get rankings doing exactly what Google told us not to do. I have no issue with taking on big companies but when giant ?guru? founded corporations pick off desperate newbies like flies, just because they are adults it doesn?t mean they?re not vulnerable. I felt honor in Xrumer, I think I can feel honor email marketing but only if I do it myself, generate traffic myself and stay away from all the shit to do with WF and similar ?guru? places.
But these useless products are STILL the things that sell the best, don?t people have any sense by now? Even if I got the biggest affiliates from WF to promote my stuff, I would just feel like the biggest dick for associating myself with the ?gurus?.
First of all, my plea to my BHW friends is just to give me some comfort and guidance. It doesn?t help to call me a pussy, even if you think that. Understand that over 2 months interacting regularly with WF is traumatic for a lot of people (see quotes above) not just me. So any wisdom, including any personal experience, would be greatly helpful for me right now.
Second, needless to say I am not going to be doing a WSO again. I think for my health and sanity I need to stay away from that place. But not just WF or other similar forums, but also the general practise of recruiting affiliates or general networking with ?gurus?, male to male jerking and butthole licking. If there is one thing I cannot stand, it?s talking to people that disgust me, which I have been doing for over 2 months now. Sure, many ?gurus? may be rich and you could call me a hater, and sure I would love to have the money they have, but I would actually much prefer to have less money and do things the way I see right, on my own, live happily, comfortably and healthily, and also mother fucking sleep at night. Can I get a witness. But by separating myself from the ?inner circle? of WF ?gurus? and the like, I am concerned that it may not be possible to succeed. As it seems anyone who is majorly successful in email marketing is a masterful circle jerker. I want to build a large, highly responsive list (opt-in, CAN SPAM compliant, using GetResponse) so that I can own and control my own traffic and tap into it whenever I want to, so if you are a BHWer and you?re doing something similar I would appreciate your input. I?ve done a lot of research so I don?t need spoon feeding, it?s just that a lot of my information on list building has come from WF, and even though it sounds sensible I would love to double check with people on BHW just to make sure it?s not the typical WF misinformation. I trust BHW information more but since there?s no really active email marketing section anymore, it?s hard to find these people. I will try and fail and try and fail until I succeed, I just need to know that it?s possible to do it on my own, or whether a prerequisite for success in email marketing is being a circle jerk junkie (in which case I would have a major problem).
Maybe one day me and a bunch of you BHWers can gatecrash a major ?guru? superconference wearing Viking helmets and BHW flags and BHW battle horns. OK maybe I?m not so mentally stable right now, lol, but it would still kick ass.
Finally, while BHW is not perfect, e.g. there is still scamming here and there (as there is everywhere online), there is no email marketing section in the public forum anymore (hence the Jr VIP one is quite dead), and there is too much focus on SEO (when there are better ways of generating traffic)... but still as far as the people goes, for the most part I much prefer it here. I always get good support and wise input and help without expectation of a reciprocal jerking.
Thanks for listening all,
JB
