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Bhw marketplace sux!

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Haspel, Apr 27, 2015.

  1. Haspel

    Haspel Power Member

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    I have been seeing this over and over for the past few months its always the sellers fault its always the BHW marketplace at fault for someone not getting a front page ranking for "AMAZON" after he paid a whole $5 for the service....


    Now let me give you sellers perspective(this is just my opinion i know many sellers might not agree with it and the ones that DO might not reply to this thread in fear of loosing customers)


    - SALES THREADS ARE ADVERTISING (WE DELIVER OUR SERVICE BUT THE RESULTS VARY BY CUSTOMER IF YOU HAVE A SHIT SITE AND WE DELIVER OUR SERVICE ITS NOT OUR FAULT YOU ARE NOT RANKED FIRST! )

    - JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A FORUM TO VOICE YOUR OPINION ON DOESNT MEAN YOU HAVE TO ( LETS FACE IT A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE ARE JUST STARTING THEY CANT APPRECIATE A VALUE OF A SERVICE THEY SIMPLY DONT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE TO EVALUATE A LINK BUILDING CAMPAIGN OR A SOFTWARE)

    - SCAMS HAPPENED AND YOU WILL GET SCAMMED AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER IN YOUR IM CAREER(BHW HAS ONE OF THE STRICTEST POLICIES AS FAR AS BST(MARKETPLACE) THREADS GO AND STILL MANY OF THE BUYERS BLAME THE MARKETPLACE OR THE WHOLE FORUM FOR THEIR MISFORTUNE WHEN THEY WERE PRACTICALLY SCAMMED IN ANOTHER SECTION)


    -LAST BUT NOT LEAST YOU GET WHAT YOU PAID FOR! THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT THAT IM TRYING TO PASS HERE... WILL SPENDING $200 ON SERVICES HERE HELP YOU GET THAT NUMBER 1 SPOT ON GOOGLE WITHOUT MOVING A FINGER? HELL NO! YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO PUT THE HOURS IN! START WORKING ON YOUR PROJECT AND NOT HOPE FOR A MIRACLE SELLER WHO WILL CREATE A MILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS FOR YOU FOR THE SMALL PRICE OF $5 - $50 - $100 - $200 OR EVEN $100000



    /RANT OVER

    I apologize for the caps and the rant its been a rough day... just wanted to vent out


    PS: I have been a long time buyer and recently became a seller my suggestion to everyone as buyer is "Don't expect a miracle for $20 or even $200" put the work and hours in get a leverage by using the services here and you will go far...
     
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  2. GroundUp

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    Man. All I know about you is from here and you deliver nothing but quality with your partner. Really great contributors to BHW. That makes me sad you have dick heads giving you grieve. Unfortunately it's part of the game we're in. I know it's a wee rant but just know we have your back. Anyone with any sense here knows you guys are quality.
     
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  3. wizard04

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    What I am about to say its noting against you ( just letting you know ).

    My balls are

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    form all the threads popping up lately about the marketplace.
     
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  4. Haspel

    Haspel Power Member

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    Thanks mate I appreciate the vote of confidence :) I admit that the rant was posted due to resent events that got on my nerves but the point is valid for many sellers who don't get their voice out there due to fear of getting flamed or loosing customers and its something i wanted to get off my chest for a long time.

    I really wanted to see this as gif :D
     
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  5. Capo Dei Capi

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  6. indianbill007

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    I agree with you completely and can feel your pain. As sellers we deliver what we have advertised with exact link reports. Not all sites can rank #1 and not every video can go page 1 either. We try our best to rank them and most of them should see the efforts we have put rather than just complaining about not getting ranked 1.

    The other day I had a jerk posting shit on one of my product BSTs just cause my newsletter was not updated for few months and it was sending out an old version of my software.

    He posted in the BST and I just replied to his pm to download the latest version with support. A lot of other member's found no issue with this, they just updated their software by directly connecting with support.

    But this jerk, he started accusing me of scamming and all and had no idea about what he is speaking of. He wasted several hours of mine that day arguing and continuously bumping my thread for hours.

    I thought of starting a separate thread to address this, but since you have started it already I will share my views here and follow the discussion!

    The marketplace is going down not just because of shitty services getting approved. Its also going down since a lot of buyers have no idea of buying SEO. Before buying a service you need to educate yourself on what you are buying and does it fit in your strategy or not.
     
  7. Ambitious12

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    One seller gives his best to prove his service what he wrote in his BST but if one buyer will give him shit website and start yelling on him to get it on 1st page because he mentioned in his BST.If you are in IM field then you should understand about every tiny problem that not leave your horses on Seller.
     
  8. blackhatter420

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    Excaly people don't understand it, really 5k traffic for 5 and you espect it to give u sales? go away.
     
  9. sashablack

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    Love the post :)

    So here is my 2 cents.

    I am a BST seller, software. So in my experience and selling products online is I come to road block when my clients purchase the software and then 3 days later ask for a refund. I always comply, since in the end of the day I really have no choice or protection against this. In relations to your post, you have to understand that there are tons of NOOBS who are looking to the cheapest and the fastest way to make millions :)

    -Sasha
     
  10. waitier

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    Well. Here's the thing for sellers. Maybe, just maybe don't put "get 5-10k a month" On your title and not mention anything that you can't deliver.

    I mean, when it gets to this point, everyone already has assumption that this other guy also can offer this and assume everything they buy can earn this amount.

    I have learned alot since joining, and my first bought package is exactly that, empty promises that can earn me shitload of monies. What I got is not even worth what fiverr is offering but i paid hundreds of dollars. What did I do? Of course i'd flame that seller.

    CTR is one thing, truth is another. Of course as I progress in IM I have learned that the more you fake it, the more you earn. I have since armed myself not to fall for the same "scam", whether they're legit or not. Almost every thread now turns into "make million dollar at home" kinda shit. You can't seriously expect newbies to understand the effort behind that.
     
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  11. Reeshua

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    As a long time buyer of BSTs here, I can vouch that a lot of BSTs here are actually work, it's just how one uses it that determines its effectiveness. That means learning what on-page and off-page SEO best practices are. You don't buy something promising "5-10K per month" and not know what the package is all about.
     
  12. pxoxrxn

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    I was thinking of writing an article today titled "Why I quit my SEO job", problem is I haven't quit yet. When I do quit the post will go a little something like this thread. Unfortunately allot of people get their SEO knowledge from their spam folder. They come here and purchase a package, or hire an SEO and wonder why the results weren't the same as what was promised in the spam email they received. I've been told that I am shit at SEO because a three week old e-commerce website that looks like dog's shit hasn't made any sales.

    Even if you could drive traffic to your 25k page website with not one line of original content, no one would purchase your overpriced products anyway.

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    I feel you OP :(
     
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  13. waitier

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    Believe it or not, but I believe some are paid reviews or reviews that gets benefits or what have you. Before I knew what scam was, I believed in reviews, positive or not. I even fell for those PPD niches before I realized it's fake (all hail paypal money generator).

    So I thought, why not do it myself? With a site. But I don't know how to build a site, let alone SEO. I bought MFA from 2 sellers. The first one was complete shit, the 2nd one is equally horrible. Why was it horrible? Because the first seller sold me 10 MNS with domains that were spammed before and real stupid EMD. And they promised basic SEO done (which never delivered) can rank the site in top 10. The 2nd one was more expensive, 1 domain, stupid titles, no pictures, and claim that a fiverr blast can rank this shit to the moon.

    Yet I wonder why there's still raving reviews there. Nowadays, I scan through every page and only take note of a few rare reputable members whom after spending so much time and money, you will be able to weed out fact from fake.
     
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  14. lightningblitz

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    I think it is a mixed bag.

    Some sellers offer false promises and do not get results. A service offering 'Special Sauce' and when you check the back links they all look like Fiverr or GSA resold garbage. This is a minority in the Market Place.

    But most often, sellers offer something specific, outline what they sell, state you could rank a KW, and leave it at that. Sure, some clarity would be nice such as "Most clients are able to rank an easy / medium competition KW in 1 - 3 months". But this is not realistic as you still need to sell product.

    A lot of it boils down to buyers not being vigilant or not knowing what they are doing. Even services which 'Guarantee' rankings can't guarantee anything. Even when you know what you are doing, some variables come into play. A service selling one specific thing will never rank everyone for every KW. That is not the real world or the SEO landscape.

    For most sellers, which promise results but are only a link selling service, a run down of the 'missing factors' such as On Page, KW competition, ect would be great for new members.

    But for software providers, site sellers, and such, it comes down to the buyer to know what they are buying.

    It amazes me to check out the marketplace and see a deal and say, 'It is too good to be true' but people expect for $25 a single service can rank any KW.

    My favorite misguided post was when a user was looking to buy a website. The user expected the OP to sell the website ranked for a couple hundred dollars. This was not a single KW niche website, but a website hitting dozens of KWs. It blew my mind someone could expect content, KW Research, a domain, hosting, setting up the site for a hundred bucks AND have it ranked Page One for every KW.

    Making money online is not easy. A lot of people have those expectations coming into IM. That is the 'problem' with any marketplace.
     
  15. puneetas3

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    My view as a member - I saw a lot of BST threads about link building by some known names here (people vouch for them). But I saw their services going down the drain when a lot of customers ranted on their sales thread and they needed to close the BST. I believe that sellers sometimes over-hype their BST with ranking graphs of highly competitive niche keywords. But when the results are not delivered they will tell you something like-

    1) We didn't just used this service on our site to rank (its buyer fault that he thought he could rank with just their service without knowing what else they are using)
    2) It takes time, stay with us for 3 months (while their BST shows how they ranked their new websites in weeks only)
    3) You site link profile is bad from past, we can't rank it so easily (gosh! why don't you check the sites for any past link profile before taking users money. And then the buyer is openly intimidated on the thread for his noob-ness)
    4) And many more. If you got some other reply from a seller, do let me know.

    Note:
    Above isn't my experience with any seller here, just what I observe on BSTs (read my experience below).

    My experience as buyer - I do open threads in hire section to get freelancers, order pbn links, expired domains or blog posts from time to time. Overall experience is fine. But I ordered a complete link building service/SEO service from a seller (people vouch for him too, great seller). It was like $250/month. It worked great for 1st month, my site got to 4th rank for main keyword. But during my 2nd month stay with their service they published a PR with over-optimized anchor text. It got distributed, 2 days into publishing and my site got penalty from Google back in February.

    I, however, didn't posted/rant about it on their thread, heck I didn't even replied to their thread to let anyone know that my site got penalized due to some foolish act, because when I ordered the service I already knew the risk involved. Its not worth fighting for. I never asked for a refund or threatened to post about them. The seller of that service has already replied in this thread (its lounge so I can rant about it lol) with his views and I appreciate those.

    Gist: Its just like SEX EDUCATION where both the parties need to know exactly what fun they are going to have and what risks are involved. Thats my $500, lol.
     
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  16. indianbill007

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    Exactly this ^^, couldn't have summed it up better lol. You are an educated buyer :)
     
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    Well, there's always two sides to a story. Nothing is 100% sure shot in SEO, so that is what a buyer should keep in mind before ordering any services. :) Buying a $xxx service will not rank you at the top position, if your site is not properly optimized (on-page SEO). So you need to see what you have and how much of it can be improved. :)
     
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    There is a saying " It takes two to tango" some seller's do take advantage of buyers, i did face one situation since i have been on BHW where seller was giving me excuses(mom is sick) for not completing the order in req TAT i told him dont worry take your time take care of your mom and the next day i see him taking more orders i was like dude you havent completed previous orders yet why are you taking new orders ? then he is like i have got a team and blah blah then why in world i have been waiting for 25 days ? and being frank the service was shit but i didnt posted anything on his thread because i thought may be this only happen to me cuz i gave him too much space and showed my weekness. very few seller respects buyers money and actually care about their reputation on the forum the rest are here to scam newbies and make as much money as they can while it last.
     
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  19. RuthSam

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    Problem may be that there are too many sellers here that are out for a quick $ - they promise you the world and deliver shit.

    For someone new that has to go through all the shitload of crap in the BST section before he / she finally find the trustworthy and reliable sellers there it is a pain and course a lot of financial losts before you get anywhere.

    However, after 2 years active on BHW I got a good picture of how the game works at BHW and why things are as they are, I will keep my words in silency to not offend anyone or start a drama. I decided to help people who want help to find the right service here on BHW :)
     
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    see it say it, loose 1sale gain another, who cares, sellers have a voice as much as buyers
    dont be afraid to speak up, granted some will slate u for it, but in the real world in your own
    mind if what u speak is the truth, thats all that matters and not what the haters/trolls think
    probably be here long after they have trolled off somewhere else. chin up