1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Beware of Paypal and Flippa

Discussion in 'Domain Names & Parking' started by havarti, Jan 1, 2013.

  1. havarti

    havarti Newbie

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2011
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    21
    Location:
    Georgia
    Home Page:
    I recently sold a site on Flippa for $4500 to the highest bidder. Buyer wanted to use Paypal so I allowed it. Two months later, he tried to chargeback the sale. He used a credit card via Paypal. It's been 30 days and I still don't know if I'm out $4500. Use the escrow site option always!
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  2. imperial444

    imperial444 Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2011
    Messages:
    1,771
    Likes Received:
    414
    Occupation:
    Full-time IM hero
    Sucha a shameless buyer. Sure, only escrow sites for this type of payments.
     
  3. back2form

    back2form Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2012
    Messages:
    2,682
    Likes Received:
    1,203
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    in front of imac
    You can take action by submitting proof of evidence to Paypal, but i guess this will really takes sometime like 25 - 30 days.

    I hope your issues will get resolved soon, sometimes bad things will happens for good ones, but you don't be worry for it. There will always be "Good things happen to Good people".

    If you need further help, just PM me with your questions of "how to handle charge-back, how to submit proof of evidence, etc, etc.."

    Thanks,
    Bart
     
  4. kelvin.thechamp

    kelvin.thechamp Power Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2011
    Messages:
    643
    Likes Received:
    272
    Occupation:
    Account selling , Creating Multithread Bot's
    Location:
    http://spamvilla.com
    if he charging back with CC company directly you are out of luck bcoz cc companies gives paypal more commission on settlement then your personal transaction commission but i think the funds already in your bank right ? if so just leave the paypal account let paypal pay it from there own pockets
     
  5. jox51

    jox51 Regular Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2011
    Messages:
    215
    Likes Received:
    59
    Location:
    ....
    Ridiculous. It's a damn shame you have people out there like that. The fact that it's Paypal, you have to submit proof after proof to have a fighting chance. Sellers never have any protection against a chargeback. I hope, that it wasn't charged on a stolen/fraud ID card. I hope and wish you the best.
     
  6. back2form

    back2form Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2012
    Messages:
    2,682
    Likes Received:
    1,203
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    in front of imac
    Is it true ? Paypal doesn't support if seller having strong evidence ?? Also I have doubt, if OP left the Paypal account with negative balance then do you think Paypal won't take any action for $4500 ??

     
  7. futurestunner

    futurestunner BANNED BANNED

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2009
    Messages:
    1,532
    Likes Received:
    1,036
    'm sure it will take upto 90 days and there is little chance that OP can win.

    as i can know this transaction was not with "seller protection"
     
  8. kelvin.thechamp

    kelvin.thechamp Power Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2011
    Messages:
    643
    Likes Received:
    272
    Occupation:
    Account selling , Creating Multithread Bot's
    Location:
    http://spamvilla.com
    Yes its very true no matter how hard evidence you produce if he charging back directly from CC company the settlement goes to buyer favor instead of seller bcoz of commission , i m saying as per my exp bro as one time i got screwed same way buy a bs customer i given paypal skype chat's , email convs screen shots , my terms and condition too that clearly defines no refund on software bcoz customer already took demo and make sure they works, on top of everything it was virtual good / a software first paypal closed the dispute in favor of me , after a week again its reopened reason bcoz buyer directly charged back via his cc company i talked over phone with paypal like 2-3 times they told me yes they put strong case from my side as they have every evidence they need end result i lost money is refunded to buyer lesson learned from that day i dont take paypal from new customer or unless they have very good members to vouch search google you find several stories like this
     
  9. sab1153

    sab1153 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2008
    Messages:
    60
    Likes Received:
    16
    If you do leave your account like some are saying, make sure you cancel any Credit Cards on file and close any bank accounts associated to it. They could try to take the money directly from them. It happened to me once. They charged my CC so i chargedback on them. Once I got my money back, they went into my bank account and a filed a report against them through my bank and they were able to get my money back.
     
  10. back2form

    back2form Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2012
    Messages:
    2,682
    Likes Received:
    1,203
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    in front of imac
    This exactly the same which happening to me now and i'm handling and facing the problems currently. I submitted complete Skype & e-mail conversation as a proof of evidence and been waiting for their genuine decision before reading your post, Now its been pissed off and reduced faith on Paypal.

    I sent my story through PM, Please check and respond back.. Much worrying & good lesson learned :banghead:

    As OP stated in this thread seems to be true in my case as well "Beware of Paypal"



     
  11. kelvin.thechamp

    kelvin.thechamp Power Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2011
    Messages:
    643
    Likes Received:
    272
    Occupation:
    Account selling , Creating Multithread Bot's
    Location:
    http://spamvilla.com
    i replied to you dont hesitate to contact me via pm or skype happy to help
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  12. back2form

    back2form Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2012
    Messages:
    2,682
    Likes Received:
    1,203
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    in front of imac
    Thanks for your help! Your words with my issue --> makes me cool now :)

    + rep added.. Thanks again!

     
  13. masush300

    masush300 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2012
    Messages:
    1,015
    Likes Received:
    333
    Occupation:
    Coding
    Location:
    Imagine Dragons
    Home Page:
    oh no its nightmare:O
     
  14. sensitiveheart_4

    sensitiveheart_4 Power Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2007
    Messages:
    563
    Likes Received:
    128
    Location:
    New Delhi, India
    Here's a tip :

    Always use escrow for transactions above $1000.

    I always use escrow for transactions above $500
     
  15. dbyrn

    dbyrn Power Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2010
    Messages:
    746
    Likes Received:
    224
    Occupation:
    helping people
    How paypal could be considered a solid business tool if it's doing things like this?!
    I hope you will sort it out!
    Good luck,

    D.

    PS.
    One thing comes to my mind: maybe you are able to contact this person CC operator/bank and show them the proofs directly?
     
  16. kvmcable

    kvmcable Supreme Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2010
    Messages:
    1,355
    Likes Received:
    2,815
    Occupation:
    24 year business owner - old school dude
    Location:
    KFC - BW3
    Contact the buyer of the website and say you're so sorry to hear he's unhappy with the website and would like to give him a full refund after he pushes the domain back to you. The best you can hope for at this point is to get the website back. That money is long gone and you have a snowball's chance in hell of winning that dispute. Work your ass off trying to get the site back so you can take another shot at selling it.

    Also NEVER push a domain to a PayPal buyer until 90 days have passed since payment was made. You give them the site, change the whois but you hang on to that domain for insurance. I just had a client give a $500 refund to a buyer that demanded the domain push and when told he had to wait 90 days the buyer filed a Flippa dispute. He refunded the jackass buyer, relisted it and sold it a second time to someone with very good credentials so the push was no problem. I bet the buyer in this case had little or no reputation on Flippa. Put in your listing you reserve the right to hold the domain 90 days if the buyer is new and has no history. If they get pissed give them a refund and find another.

    Good luck and sorry to hear this shit happened but nothing new on Flippa. Just as there are scamming sellers there are scamming buyers.
     
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2013
  17. alias_unknown

    alias_unknown Newbie

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2012
    Messages:
    41
    Likes Received:
    4
    I've had the same happen to me through PayPal, the customer requested a charge back and I even had to pay the fees for them to do this!!! Plus, they got to keep the product. Wrong.
     
  18. nikkita

    nikkita Newbie

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    24
    Likes Received:
    7
    Location:
    Sunny FL
    wow, what shame ... Paypal is a double-edge sword for sure
     
  19. seoguye

    seoguye Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2012
    Messages:
    242
    Likes Received:
    39
    Location:
    BHW
    PayPals well known to do this... I feel sorry for you; I had a similar thing happen to me last year - I'm still disputing it with PayPal to this day and have had to now bring lawyers in just to get them to listen and read our correspondence... long process but I hope it all works out for you!
     
  20. Kosher1

    Kosher1 Power Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2009
    Messages:
    712
    Likes Received:
    387
    Hate those thuggs