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Best way to utilize a PBN?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ookami007, Apr 25, 2014.

  1. ookami007

    ookami007 Regular Member

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    If you've created a PBN (Private Blog Network), what's the best way to utilize it to promote your money site? Do you link from the front page? From inner pages? How many links per blog to the money site?

    Also, what's the lowest level PR you should have in your PBN? Is PR1 too low? PR2? Obviously, the higher the better but is having some PR1 niche links bad?

    Thanks for any guidance.
     
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    Having more PR1 than PR2 is crucial.
     
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    I wouldn't say it's bad to have pr1, obviously you want the highest you can get but it's also good to have more so having some pr1 's is fine.
     
  4. ookami007

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    Why do you say that?
     
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    Go for front page posts. The lower the PR the more you should thin the out going links. Only use 1 in 10 posts to link to money site to start with and link out to other authority sites with some of the others. Then as your PR increase step things up. Also make sure to build links to post that do not contain your links to keep thing natural.
     
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    A manual review will blow your site.
     
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    Good point. I'm using some other services, so I wonder if that would still be a factor.
     
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    A manual review will probably blow your site regardless, if the reviewer does his job properly. Nothing screams PBN like outgoing links in every post, or even every third or fourth one.
     
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    Just having shitload of PR4-PR6 links and a low amount of PR1 is unnatural and impossible by theory.
    Most of your backlinks should be PR0, then PR1, then PR2, then PR3, ..., then PR10 if you can afford.
     
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    For posts on the site, each one has at least related picture, one related video embedded and normal on-page SEO. Each also has 2-3 links out to various authority sites.

    So are you saying I should intermix those, say on PR1 sites with every 10th post containing a link to my money site?
     
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    Well... that's one of the reasons I asked this question... I would think that would be obvious as well.

    So what ratio of posts to links would you recommend?
     
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    unless you are white as snow, you are pretty much screwed if you are getting manually reviewed regardless.
     
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    And sometimes, you're screwed even if you ARE white as snow. Depends on whether the reviewer go laid the night before...
     
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    You need to keep the people you contracted out to work on your site informed on what changes you're making
    so it does not conflict with their work. Remember that "natural" is the way to make everything work so go for it :)

    -RK
     
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    When starting out and build authority you need to keep under G's radar so starting slow is my advice. The other option is you build up the sites content and links for 6-12 months before even using as a PBN.

     
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    Oh I wasn't disagreeing with you. What I meant was that, regardless of the PR distribution among sites in your network, you're still pretty sure to get fucked if a good reviewer looks into it.

    Actually that's not a good question. There's no such thing as a good ratio of links to posts. See, go read some blog articles on some well-established tech blogs or whatnot. What they do is they link to sources (even on the same site) that explain certain terms or back up their statments. Sorta like Wikipedia I'd say.

    So in order to have your posts look as natural as possible, not only do you need to have actual quality, unique and original articles, you also need to point links to other sites/pages. THAT looks natural. However, the problem there is that you need to spend shittons of time and money to be able to create such a structure. So unless you're operating in a very lucrative niche, the above is not an option. That's why I consider my networks churn-and-burn. I know damn well they'll get nailed (along with my money sites they link to) if someone sticks a telescope up their ass. To me it's no longer a question of IF they'll get nailed, but WHEN.

    Mind you, the niches I'm in do make me great money and I could probably afford going the quality route, but to me that would be way more of a hassle than rebuilding everything from scratch. Especially taking into account how fickle Google is these days, when you never know when you're gonna get your ass handed to you, no matter how "clean" you are. So I no longer bother with quality. It's all spun crap and links out in every post from me.
     
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    Hehe... that's a no nosense way of looking at it. At times, I tend to think you're right. Just churn and burn... but before I was getting burned too often and wasting to much money churning back.

    I thought I would try to get something quality into place to at least last longer.

    If only I had a sweatshop of SEO workers...

     
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    That's why you always build new networks and sites ALL THE TIME. Waiting to get hit before all your revenue goes up shit creek without a paddle is just dumb and I'm pretty sure you're not dumb. :)

    That's the thing, what is quality for most IM-ers is rarely quality for Google. Go read all the crying after each Google update. "Oh, Google's not fair, I had a great hand-written whitehat site, which only had a few hundred social bookmarks pointed to it!" Newsflash, moron, if you did any backlinking to it, it's not whitehat! Also, if all you did is social bookmarks and no links from any other platforms, don't you think that's the problem? Or, well, what kind of anchor text distribution did you have? How fast did you build the links? And so on and so forth...

    People blame Google for shitcanning their sites and complain about irrelevant results, but never take a moment to do any research and try to understand what the ones who do rank are actually doing. "Oh, there are only spammy sites on top for my keywords! Google is broken!" No, moron, Google is not broken. It's just that the spammers at the top are smarter than you are and don't spend their entire days regurgitating never-ending bad advice from other morons, on forums. They test, fail, re-test, fail again, until they get a working formula. And when they do, they hit it hard and fast, because they're smart enough to know that it won't last forever. They also scale it across as many niches as possible, because they know that not all niches and not all SERP's are created equal. That'll increase the longevity of their revenue streams.

    You don't need a sweatshop. You'd be surprised at how much you can do with very few resources. You just need to work smarter, not harder or more expensive.
     
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