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Best Spinner - Can't get it to spin well!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Ramsweb, Feb 1, 2012.

  1. Ramsweb

    Ramsweb Senior Member

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    Hi there people

    I am writing a super spin article without the use of any tools. Just to try out the quality of this method, I wrote one 150 word article, with 6 sentences. All 6 sentences have at least 10 sentence variations. All sentences have every second or third word spun with at least one additional alternative. Some of the words have up to 4 different variants.

    I just wanted to see what kind of results this will give me. So far, it has been awful.

    Just after generating 8 articles from this super spin article, I am starting to see copyscape duplicates when I check against the private index that I have created.

    I mean, even a sentence level spin should give me at least 10 unique articles as I have basically written 10 different 150 word articles. Generally, the best spinner just doesn't spin enough at the word level.It just spits out the same sentence again and again. It is so frustrating.

    There is nothing wrong with the spintax format either. Any suggestions? I thought I will get at least a 100 variations out of this.I got stumped at 8. Just awful. What am I doing wrong? How do I get the Best Spinner to choose more randomly?
     
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  2. Ramsweb

    Ramsweb Senior Member

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    Bump! I know it is a bit early but I thought I will bump it is such a popular tool, with so many people using it for the same purpose that I am using it for. Any expert help will be much appreciated.
     
  3. kvmcable

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    Without looking at your article it sounds like you're not selecting enough syns at word level. CS checks for exact match on 4 word phrase (some say 3 now but I haven't seen that personally). So if you're only selecting 2 variants in a 4 word phrase you'll have a duplicate after just 2 spins. To achieve the level of uniqueness you're looking for you need to choose a lot more syns and many in a 4 word grouping. The more options you provide in a 4 word phrase the more spins you'll see before a match.

    To pop out 100 with low duplicates you need to selected 3-9 syns almost per word. I think you're just not considering the way CS looks for matches.
     
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  4. TripleBeamDreams

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    Buy spinchimp instead! It's much better.
     
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    Also, there are several tools out there but here is how I accomplish what you're attempting. I use instant article shuffler ($5 at fiverr) and write my paragraphs as tips averaging around 3-5 short sentences, 60-80 words.

    I spin the hell out of each of these tips and test them in tbs making sure they're spinning and rotating. I'll also use tricks like blank pipe to remove a sentence and nested spins to rotate sentences. Now understand rotating doesn't fool CS as the words are the same, it fools humans. Of course dropping a sentence on every so many spins will change the CS hit rate because words are disappearing.

    Once I spin each tip and have at least 20 good ones spun every way of Sunday then I use the shuffler to make me articles. It will pull random tips and you tell it how many per article and how many articles you want.

    I've found this works better than relying on tbs to shuffle paras, sentences and words. Essentially this just leaves tbs with the task of spinning words. IAS finds the paras.

    This allows me large groupings of unique content on niches not hammered by everyone with automated article tools. I can pick any niche, research, in my spare time build tips and when the right domain comes along I've ready to rock.

    One other tip: I use the subscribed version of dupefreepro. For $10 you get all the add-ons and for this task it's a time saver. I can spit out 100 articles and tell it to compare each article against the others and in less than a couple minutes I know my best hitters with most unique. Those I grab for site content and take the others and toss in AMR. DFP does much more than that and I think it pays for itself every month just with the money I save in CS fees. I'm not an affiliate of DFP but I know what you're trying to accomplish and just sharing how I do it.

    HTH
     
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  6. Ramsweb

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    I understand this. However, my point is that TBS spits out the same sentence again and again, even if I hit that spin button multiple times. For example, if I hit the spin button about 20 times, it picks up 1 of 10 sentences about 5-6 times. Even though there is good randomness at sentence level, it keeps doing a bad job with word level spins. Out of the 5-6 times a sentence is repeated, on about 4-5 occasions, it just uses the same word combo, essentially defeating the purpose of creating word level spins. I was wondering if some other tool would be able to do that better.

    Thanks for this. I too noticed that copyscape burns money quite quickly, especially when you run into a lot of duplicates. I will try dupefree pro in the future. I can't use the fiverr service you told me because I need articles that will be approved by humans.
     
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    Thanks for your suggestion. Just curious, have you used it in the way I am trying to use it. Does it do a good job of mixing up word level spins in addition to sentence level spins? I don't use these tools to create a spintax article. I just need a really GOOD one that can output manually written spintax articles in a high quality manner.
     
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    At least your TBS is working. I am so fed up with this crap about software products lately. I want to login, enter correct data, but it shows wrong Username/Password all the time, even when I reset the password. Maybe I will switch to the chimp also, let's see if that works better...
     
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    I use it similar to how you explain. Sentence spinning is super fast. Google and check the instruction videos on their official site. The program works exactly as they say. Good luck!
     
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    Read every sentence as you spin it. If you have 6 versions of each sentence you already have a lot of variations, so you can be a bit easier on the word level. As you spin at word level make sure that each word creates a still readable sentence.

    Your result will be a lot better. If you want to get human readable content stay away from the auto spinner. It takes longer, but you will have an article that is completely readable when spun as many times as you want.

    It takes me well over 8 hours to spin a 500-600 word article by sentence and then by word. However the result is always readable.

    Unfortunately people won't pay an 8 hours wage for a quality spun article, so if you do it on fiverr for $5 or on oDesk for some other small amount just sentence spin it and use the automatic spinner :p
     
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    Hmm, wouldn't it be easier just the write an article yourself? 500 words in 8 hours?

    I have never got in to the whole article rewriting so maybe there is more to it?
     
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    I totally agree with you OP, tbs does a terrible job at spinning the article, many times when I press respin, it indeed spits out the first sentence in the spyntax about 50% of the time when you have like 4 variations, the randomness is way off, you would think how hard can it be to put down an random function.
     
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    He means it takes that long to create a super spun version of a 500 word article.

    In super spin format it's probably more like 5000-10,000 words or more.
     
  14. Ramsweb

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    This is not what the thread is about. I could care less about the creation of the spin article. I am just interested in the quality of the output that TBS puts out.

    I am glad that another person feels the same way. I just wish someone knew a workaround to make TBS be more random when it comes to spinning.

    Would some custom PHP coding be able to do a better job? What kind of rate would I have to pay if I hired someone to write code that was able to output spintax with much better randomness.
     
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    I use the WPSynIT to spin article it gives you 5 free article blasts to over 200 Blogs and .wiki links when you download the free plugin.
     
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