Becoming disillusioned with IM.

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Jobless said:
Selling your traffic for ad money, especially adfly, is for chumps. If you haven't realized there's very little money (for most) in that over the past 4 years you should probably look into getting a job. Not even trying to be a dick, just dealing a harsh truth I feel you need to hear.
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Adf ly is not even a consideration for me, it was simply a very early method that I implemented on a site that really doesn't have many options for monetization.

As for your comment about getting a job, did you even read through the thread? I already work and have an income. I am fortunate enough to be in a position that I don't need to work 60-80 hours a week and I have a decent income. The IM is diversifying from my offline work because the industry is being killed by online competition which I cannot even begin to compete with. I figure I have about 2 years maximum left before my current income takes a serious hit.

rlink said:
Your best bet is to never give up what works for you at the moment. I have done this before lots of times, looking for alternatives that not necessarily would bring me more profits but would take the burden of working 18 hours a day straight which meant for me no life at all, which is worse than anything I can imagine. This is why most experienced business men talk about working smart.

Everything comes with a risk, but since your offline business is earning you money, dedicate to that business. First things come first. You must have an income source. Online business just like offline promises nothing. So basically giving up offline for you would be a wrong move at the moment. Giving up something for nothing, in case you do not succeed online. The key is learning and investing; time and money. With all respect, your overall online work is almost non existent. Setting up a niche site, and placing some banners, a little bit of seo; along with a blogger blog in 3 years is not much my friend. You must dedicate yourself to your business you know that. Competition is healthy, but the truth is these days you do need to have a solid capital to compete with the big guys, otherwise you can make money but nothing close to even having enough to make ends meet.

Stick with what works is the key, even its not going so well for you it is something. Use the spare time to learn, and the spare money to invest. My situation is similar to yours, starting back from square one. Yes, I do not give up. But there is still a slight difference between our situations, I've been constantly learning, working and building up relationships, have been dedicated, rarely took a day off. I am absolutely sure than some time soon I will be back on track, patience is also a key element in succeeding. Asking if you should quit is not a good approach. You should never quit, just look at your past experience and try to understand why you've only earned 36 pounds in 3 years. The answers will come for sure.

Good luck buddy!
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This isn't all I have done in three years, it's a learning curve and many of my projects have failed or not even got off the ground due to lack of understanding and the learning process.

I'm not asking if I should quit, I will NEVER quit. One thing I am most certainly not is a quitter. I just needed a little direction because I seem to have stagnated and I need to be moving forward.
 
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OP, I hear you and I hope you get the motivation back to start again at something and thanks for your honesty.

My view differs from most on here because I advocate having as many diverse income streams as possible so if one goes down, I am covered. My income stream is similar to yours in design (if not actual income earned :) in that i have a mixture of online and offline.

In October 2012 my main site was hit hard by one of the animal updates and after being number 1 for a financial services keyword for over 3 years, it dropped back to page 4 or 5. Since that (very) scary time I have concentrated on PPC and I am happy doing that because I can predict my income each month and I also contribute a lot to G's bottom line.

In that time I have also worked non stop on my site and it has now risen to page 2 with another site now on page 1.

Ever since that day, I vowed to diversify my income streams so that if G destroys my business model, I have other ways to earn and this really takes the pressure off.

Start your plan now...Look for quick wins whilst you build something long term in the background because it will take time. Shoot me a pm if you want any advice from me as I had to deal with absolute carnage at that time so I (sort of) know how you feel.
 
Like i posted before complete noobs knowing nothing about IM or its past.1997 difficult ?I guess that is a joke.People didnt used credit cards at that time and there was only one industry banking hard which was adult.Do you guys even know what dialers are ?Where people had to pay $3.99 per minute when watching your content ?Where you made $15.000 by sending out 10.000 random scraped emails and which was total legal at that time ?
You guys know sh*it just poor assumption which are totaly wrong.You just had to create websites ....add them to google and you instantly got traffic.There was no SEO.All you had to do is to create a website animating the user to download the dialer and execute it to watch porn or any other content.
CC got first popular when dialer died and where the whole adultindustry had to cut of 3/4 of their volume.It was a time were many people stopped as adultwebmasters.But yeah keep posting your poor assumption how it was bad in the beginning and how golden the times are now without even knowing how the times were in the past.Thats exectly the level of discussion i'm talking about.Attacked by assumptions of people who are working on IM (seo and automatisation) for a couple of years and act like the know sh*it.
 
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IMerSince1997 said:
Like i posted before complete noobs knowing nothing about IM or its past.1997 difficult ?I guess that is a joke.People didnt used credit cards at that time and there was only one industry banking hard which was adult.Do you guys even know what dialers are ?Where people had to pay $3.99 per minute when watching your content ?Where you made $15.000 by sending out 10.000 random scraped emails and which was total legal at that time ?
You guys know sh*it just poor assumption which are totaly wrong.You just had to create websites ....add them to google and you instantly got traffic.There was no SEO.All you had to do is to create a website animating the user to download the dialer and execute it to watch porn or any other content.
CC got first popular when dialer died and where the whole adultindustry had to cut of 3/4 of their volume.It was a time were many people stopped as adultwebmasters.But yeah keep posting your poor assumption how it was bad in the beginning and how golden the times are now without even knowing how the times were in the past.Thats exectly the level of discussion i'm talking about.Attacked by assumptions of people who are working on IM (seo and automatisation) for a couple of years and act like the know sh*it.
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You are right, I am wrong.
IM and SEO has changed since 1997, therefore nobody can make any money online any more.
Oh, the good old days.

LMAO
 
IMerSince1997 said:
Like i posted before complete noobs knowing nothing about IM or its past.1997 difficult ?I guess that is a joke.People didnt used credit cards at that time and there was only one industry banking hard which was adult.Do you guys even know what dialers are ?Where people had to pay $3.99 per minute when watching your content ?Where you made $15.000 by sending out 10.000 random scraped emails and which was total legal at that time ?
You guys know sh*it just poor assumption which are totaly wrong.You just had to create websites ....add them to google and you instantly got traffic.There was no SEO.All you had to do is to create a website animating the user to download the dialer and execute it to watch porn or any other content.
CC got first popular when dialer died and where the whole adultindustry had to cut of 3/4 of their volume.It was a time were many people stopped as adultwebmasters.But yeah keep posting your poor assumption how it was bad in the beginning and how golden the times are now without even knowing how the times were in the past.Thats exectly the level of discussion i'm talking about.Attacked by assumptions of people who are working on IM (seo and automatisation) for a couple of years and act like the know sh*it.
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I'm beginning to get an idea of what the problem is now.

You made money back in 97 when it was so easy you didn't really have to do much.
But now that there is more competition and it requires more skill and innovation you are struggling to keep pace, perhaps?

I can't speak for anyone else, but you are the one making assumptions if you think I wasn't around in '97. I wasn't in IM, but I can assure you I took advantage of the 'new fangled' internet to gain an early edge over the competition and increase my income.

They key to staying ahead in business in times of rapid change is to adapt and adopt. Things now change much quicker than they did 10 or 20 years ago, so adapting and adopting is even more important. Blink for a second and you can be a dead duck - if it can happen to MySpace, Kodak and Blackberry, it can happen to everyone.

Another point I'd like to make, is that the guys who have only been around for a couple of years - the ones you are railing against - are the ones who will come up with new ideas, methods, tricks and businesses.

You assume they aren't as good as you because they don't know the 'old ways' - but that's also to their advantage. They don't have to unlearn anything that no longer works. They can just get on with learning what they need to know now, in today's environment, in order to be successful.

Rather than slating them you should be observing them, communicating with them and learning from them - that's what adapting and adopting is all about.
 
there are 999999999 ways to make money online :) choose the one that suits you and go for it
 
Sorry to repeat it but the level of intelligence of bhw members seems to have dramaticly dropped since 2010.Bunch of IM lo*osers posting here and acting like they know everything.How many rich bhw gurus have i already saw leaving bhw as poor noobs.
I guess we would have a nice laugh about your success histories guys
 
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Keep posting loo*sers.I'm going back to my work.But seeing your over 6000 posts i can instantly see you have no other work to do than posing
 
Dear all bhw members. Don't waste your time on this thread.
Go to do work. Specially w130sn don't waste your time here.

Thanks

@Q!B
 
Also its losers. Sorry to correct you but I would'nt want you to look like you're a bit thick.

IMerSince1997 said:
Keep posting loo*sers.I'm going back to my work.But seeing your over 6000 posts i can instantly see you have no other work to do than posing
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IMerSince1997 said:
Keep posting loo*sers.I'm going back to my work.But seeing your over 6000 posts i can instantly see you have no other work to do than posing
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Hey man Shut up telling our members loo*sers and just do your work if you really have to do work. Yes we have nothing to do else posting here. moreover I thought the 1997 is your date of birth..
 
IMerSince1997 said:
Keep posting loo*sers.I'm going back to my work.But seeing your over 6000 posts i can instantly see you have no other work to do than posing
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You also believe post count has some bearing on Income?
My post count has allowed me to establish a line of credit, in every Crack Den and Brothel in London, U jelly Bro?
 
jazzc said:
A warning and 3 weeks ban to the fool that ignored my clear "no personal attacks" post.
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He also referred to jstover changing from "before". Jstover has recently become more active so I can only assume the guy is implying quite a considerable amount of time ago.

Considering he only became a member in September, he shouldn't be able to remember jstover from "before".

TL;DR Perhaps a dupe account set up to troll or a returning banned member.
 
HEY, what did I miss?

My internet has been down for the last few hours and I missed all the fun. (Damn Plusnet!!)

I see the troll has finally gone, hopefully a 3 week break will give him chance to calm down or find another forum to troll. I would thank all you guys but it seems I've got none left to hand out even though I've only thanked a few people today.

I was wary about posting this thread because I don't like to admit that I can't solve a problem myself but I'm glad I did. If nothing else it has given me a good laugh and picked up my mood a lot. More importantly it has restored my faith in communities like this because it would have been so easy to simply say "Well it's probably not for you, BYE" but I've had many positive comments and advice, something we all need from time to time.

Anyway, thanks guys and I will try to be more vocal in future if I am having a problem rather than letting it all get on top of me.
 
N offense guys but please do not say that "Im is not for everyone" I really hate that phrase
I am the laziest person on this forum. If I can make about 600 to 700 per month from im then Op you for sure can do it.
If you could only stick to one thing be it ranking sites or whatever and do it consistently then I am sure that you would ace it!

Just stick with one thing. Make sure of that.

Thanks
 
It simply means you are not working hard enough and not doing proper research. PM me with your skype, maybe i can help you out a little.
 
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