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Ban for creating too many web 2.0 accounts from the same IP?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by zeano, Mar 24, 2011.

  1. zeano

    zeano Newbie

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    Have you even been banned / or had your properties deleted because you created too many accounts (15+) from the same IP?

    I guess I could use proxies but I don't really want to spend money just for that and free are used by other peoples so it's no different then using my own IP...
     
  2. Autumn

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    You will undoubtedly get busted for using the same IP over and over, it's just not a wise thing to do. You will end up wasting your time and energy.

    If you don't want to pay, find yourself some free proxies and use those. Using proxies of some kind is absolutely mandatory if you want to start signing up for lots of accounts. Sure, some will be used already, but many won't be. It's all about volume!
     
  3. zeano

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    Are you talking from experience (you had your accounts banned) or is it just a "feeling" (that it's better to use proxies)?
     
  4. Autumn

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    I have probably created upwards of 100K accounts on web 2.0s and various other free hosting platforms in my career and at times in the past I've had in excess of 100K uniques / day coming in directly from doorway pages on parasite hosts. I only ever post what I know from my own experience and if I speculate I always make that clear.

    I almost feel offended now.
     
  5. zeano

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    LOL, relax.

    So that means you DID have your accounts banned/deleted because of IP? (I'm not talking about wordpress.com or Tumblr, I know they delete most spammy blogs even from different IPs)?
     
  6. Autumn

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    No, they got banned because I spammed the crap out of them. If you're spamming, you can always expect that a certain percentage of your parasite shit will get deleted because of complaints from angry blog owners etc. I have used proxies since day one, it is rule number one in the web spammer handbook. The only time you don't use proxies is in the development stage of a signup script, then you bolt on the proxy handling once you get it working.

    Put yourself in the shoes of the people who run any given web 2.0. They find a few of your spammy sites and delete them. Then they run a simple database query, something like

    SELECT * FROM sites WHERE signup_ip='123.123.123.123'

    or whatever IP you signed up from. There are all of your very similar spammy sites all laid out for them to delete, which they can also do with a single SQL query.

    Proxies are mandatory!
     
  7. zeano

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    Well, you probably are right... but, f*ck it, I'm too lazy to bother with proxies ;)

    I will be creating 1 account every 1-2 days (around 15 account overall) and we'll see how it goes...
     
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    Wait a minute... You are going to spend this time creating web 2.0 accts, but are too cheap to get access or even a list of private proxies? It's not like getting a list of proxies each day or getting a tool to scrape good proxies is expensive. Proxies are a must.
     
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    When using proxies in Senuke, I always hit the security cerftifcATE chck and im using private proxies.. any ideas?


     
  10. andersonm

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    Autumn, I have like 50 2.0 accounts and I thought I was good. LOL

    Jokes aside... Why do you need so many accounts for? Link building to your money site? Would love to hear a bit from you if possible. Thanks!
     
  11. zeano

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    It's not even about the cost - too much trouble with constant changing of IPs, deleting cookiec etc
    Unless I install 15 browsers, each for different IP... :D
     
  12. zeano

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    oops, edited
     
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  13. Autumn

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    A few years ago (maybe roughly 2005-2008) you could easily get to the top of the serps by putting doorway pages on high PR free hosts and spamming them. Google was just starting to put the dampeners on brand new domains, but using trusted hosts was an easy way around that. No mucking around with linking to money sites or "link wheels" as people like to call them now - you could just put up a generated keyword stuffed doorway page and use javascript redirects to drive the traffic wherever you wanted.

    They'd get deleted by the free hosts soon enough, but as long as you could create more than they banned automatically you would be ahead of the curve. At one point I was putting up several hundred sites a day.

    For example, some readers might be familiar with the free host 0catch.com. 0catch had a backend that allowed people to set up their own domains as free hosts, all with the same sign up script. I identified 80-100 domains with good PR (4+) that all used the 0catch backend and thus all had the same signup script. My bot would sign up for an account at each of these 0catch domains every day, generate and upload a site, then add the urls to the list of stuff to get link spammed. So that would be 80-100 new accounts and sites each and every day, just from that 0catch stuff... Plus there were umpteen other free hosts I was plundering. And I was small fry in the grand scheme of things eg. compared to some of the heavy duty viagra spammers.

    Unfortunately, 0catch and most other free hosts are spammed to hell now because of people like me and most of those old free host domains are penalized on the domain level. Most (but not all) web 2.0s and free hosts disable javascript now, so using doorway redirects on them isn't so possible any more. People have started using free hosted sites as buffers to their money sites instead of using them to drive traffic directly.

    But the principle still holds true for the web 2.0 link wheel sites and "trusted" free blog hosts of today - automation and robust anonymity rule. Never do something by hand that you can get a script to do. You just gotta fly under the radar and stay ahead of the banning curve.

    Anyway long story short - signing up for free accounts is something I know a bit about. :D
     
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  14. andersonm

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    Autumn,

    {Wow|OMG} you have got quite a bit of a lonnnggg history "spamming" the internet. Perhaps I might have unknowingly been to {one|many} of your sites, LOL!

    Thanks for sharing your experience, that was a {good|fantastic} read.

    And I thoroughly agree on "never do something by hand if you could do it with a script"... Just that in my case I still can't get around spinning my articles automatically though :44: