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Backlink questions?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by BlackSeng, Jun 25, 2009.

  1. BlackSeng

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    Hey guys,

    I'm still new to SEO.. so pardon my ignorance and newbie-ness.


    Let's say I have a website: applebanana.com

    But I went to post backlinks for the following URLS:
    applebanana.com/coconut/fruit.html
    applebanana.com/durian/fruit.html
    applebanana.com/fruits4all/info.html

    Then let's say the 3 above websites get a PR rank of 6.

    Will my main domain (applebanana.com) get a PR of 6 too? Or just the backlinked URLs?
     
  2. Micallef

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    Linking PR 6 sites to your site will not make your site PR6.

    I'll give you a rough idea - on of my sites is PR4. It has 1800 links pointing at it. 50% are PR0, PR1 and PR2. 50% are PR3, PR4, PR5, PR6, PR7.

    Higher PR backlinks are exponentially more powerful as you go up. e.g. PR 6 worth 10 PR5, PR7 worth 50 PR 6 etc.
     
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  3. TermsB

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    Didn't know it worked like that. Thanks for the info. :)
     
  4. supersi

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    Actually each PR is worth 10 of the lesser PR.

    For example:
    1 PR9 = 10 PR8
    1 PR8 = 10 PR7
    1 PR7 = 10 PR6
    etc., etc.,
     
  5. Micallef

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    Can anyone confirm? This is interesting.
     
  6. magpie2419

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    Is this correct can you point me to where you found this information?
     
  7. supersi

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    I found this from Stompernet and from Alex Goad.

    I will see if I can find the Alex Goad video and post it here, but these are the two sources, which are both very credible.
     
  8. Gozpy

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    No, this is BS!
     
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  9. TermsB

    TermsB Senior Member

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    Makes sense to me, why the hell would they design a base 10 system to not work on base 10?
     
  10. squelsh

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    This looks a little simplistic to me - anyone have a link to the original source?
     
  11. TermsB

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    That's just one part of Googles way of ranking things. Doesn't mean it's the full way it ranks you. I highly doubt they'd release how exactly they rank things, that would just beg people to exploit it.
     
  12. Micallef

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    On the scale which has been proposed, a PR 7 page is worth 100 million times as much as a PR 1. Does not seem right to me.
     
  13. gundamwing

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    is all still mysterious
    only the founder of Pagerank know
     
  14. supersi

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    Check your math. It should be more like this:

    6 = 10
    5 = 100
    4 = 1,000
    3 = 10,000
    2 = 100,000
    1 = 1,000,000

    So one link from PR7 should equal 1,000,000 links from PR1, if all other factors were equal (which is never reality anyways).

    When estimating link juice it is also important to consider the number of outgoing links from the page. Pages with more outgoing links distribute less PR to each link. Conversely pages with fewer outbound links concentrate the "link juice" to the links.

    For this reason it is more desirable to get links on pages with fewer outbound links because the linking power is more concentrated.

    PR is only one factor used. It is certainly not the one and only factor used in ranking. I am sure there are many more factors that Google has reserved in secret and will never publicly reveal in addition to PageRank (which is public knowledge).
     
  15. supersi

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    If "this is BS!"...

    ... what is the "real answer"?

    I would love to hear your thoughts. Please share them with us all.
     
  16. Micallef

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    I acknowledge my mathematical error.

    In my spamming experience (which is vast), the number of OBLs tends to be randomly distributed over all page ranks.

    With this in mind, if the information given is correct, then nobody should ever bother trying to get links from PR1 sites, or even anything up to PR4.

    This is because if you got 1 million PR 1 links and it took you 100 days, and your competitor spent 99 days getting 1 PR7 link, they would be doing better than you.

    So either everyone who is building backlinks is completely misappropriating their time going for anything less than a PR7, or the system proposed is incorrect in some way.

    Or, there is some other factor which has been left out of the equation.
     
  17. Albert

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    There is no way to know exactly how they rank. Just follow the mix messages they send at you, like how Matt Cutts says, let it be natural, don't make your links "appear" to be natural. Their goal is solid if they are stating this, meaning they must have some approach of helping the little sites that only have real natural links. Not now, but maybe over time.

    As for the report, I believe that weight and PR are two different things. It just makes more sense. We cannot completely understand how they rank PageRanks for sites, but we something we can do is listen to their advice.
     
  18. beav3336

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    You all are forgetting other factors.

    1. Relevance of the site linking to your site. If your site is about cooking and you have a PR7 site linking to you about work at home, then it will have about the same weight as another PR2 cooking site linking to you.

    2. You are forgetting about the linking keyword. If you are targeting the keyword "cooking" then a PR7 site linking to your site with this actual keyword is much more powerful than if it was linking with a keyword link "here" or "link".

    3. You are forgetting about domain extension. An .edu, .gov, .mil site will carry more weight than a .com. A .com will carry more weight than a .org, and an .org will carry a lot more weight than a .info and so on. Then you have to figure in the PR which can offset this: example: A PR5.edu will have more value than a PR7 .com.

    There are a crap load of things to consider. If they went strictly off of Page Rank than the math formula would not make sense, but they don't, they factor in a ton of things. Which is why you can not estimate or guesstimate the formula. You can only try to get HIGH Page Rank Relavant Sites With Great Extensions And Try To Get Them To Link To You With Your Tarket Keyword! Then on top of all that make sure they are a "do follow".
     
  19. Micallef

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    Beav3336 - Do you have evidence to prove points 1 and 3? Point 2 I agree with.

    I suspect google can tell if linked sites are related in topic, but I would need evidence that this effect is powerful enough to make non-related link spam obsolete.

    As for the domain extension, I am quite sure that it does not make a difference. This has been stated by Matt Cutts.
     
  20. arekanthony

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    Aside from this great debate on how much link juice will pass to your home page from a backlink to a deeper page, a link to applebanana.com must be on each of the other pages like, applebanana.com/coconut/fruit.html. It also depends on the total number of links on any of the subpages. Ex. get a PR3 backlink to your subfolder page which has 10 links pointing wherever. The PR 3 link juice will get divided up among 10 links and will not pass PR 3 to all.