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backlink from PR2 vs PR3 vs PR4 pages. How much difference do they make?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by terry75, Feb 3, 2014.

  1. terry75

    terry75 Registered Member

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    Hi there,
    Provided that it has only 1 outbound link to your money site, how much difference do they make between a backlink from PR 2 page and PR3 page and PR4 page?

    I'm trying to make strong tier1 for a new project and I'm thinking of buying some aged domains for it. It seems you can buy good quality PR2 for around $50, PR3 around $150, and PR4 around $250.

    But from what I understand PR4 weighs 5 times more than PR3, and PR3 weighs 5 times more than PR2.
    So, if you take it literally it means having one PR4 backlink is as strong as 5 PR3 backlinks.
    If it is the case it is much better to buy one PR4 domain costing $250 than buying four or five Pr3 domains costing more than $500.

    But price-wise it does not make sense - so I'm assuming there is something wrong with thinking that PR4 is 5times as valuable as PR3 as a backlink source....Could anyone tell me about this?

    Is one backlink from PR4 page actually worth five backlinks from PR3 pages?
    If not, how do they actually compare?

    (Of course, provided that the quality of the page is the same and both pages are the same niche or relevant to money site)

    Thanks
     
  2. SEODEMON

    SEODEMON Regular Member

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    Page Rank is dead! So the answer is nothing. It will do nothing. Authority is the new page rank. From free manual authority backlinking you only need a few hundred links. My authority on a few domains is around 35 now. I bought a PR8 but it did nothing. Authority was only 18.
     
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  3. terry75

    terry75 Registered Member

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    Thanks!
    I was thinking page rank was dead in the sense that the higher the PR the higher you gets on SERPs but I was under impression PR was still alive and kicking it when it comes to backlink source. You're saying it is wrong?
    If so, do you think it is better to have a PR1 with high authority when checking with Dmoz or whatever?

    Thanks.
     
  4. testdrive

    testdrive Regular Member

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    The problem with PR is it has a dynamic value. Even if it showing that the domain has pr5, it doesn't mean it actually has a pr5. It means that the domain has a PR5 since google update it.

    google will probably update it once a year so those number in pr checker will not be as accurate in the beginning of the update compared to months later.

    I don't think PR will be entirely dead, but it will not be good basis in measuring true link power of one page. A lot of people now are using Domain authority and Page authority in trying to measure link juice power (which can also be manipulated)

    But what the hell, we are blackhatters, we manipulate things for our advantage. :)
     
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  5. noseo

    noseo Regular Member

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    Definitely go for quality.
     
  6. lmxftw

    lmxftw BANNED BANNED

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    toolbar Page Rank is dead...

    with intensive and exhaustive research you can pretty much pinpoint a PR range so to speak so yeah... a PR4 domain could be a PR3.23 or a PR4.05 ... stop living your lives based on what you see on the internet... read!

     
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    PrinceVisi Elite Member

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    From the amount of services and reviews on this forum they are very much alive.

    @OP,

    What you have to consider is also PA (Page Authority) and DA (Domain Authority) of the backlinks.
     
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  8. terry75

    terry75 Registered Member

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    Thanks, yeah I do look at these numbers(PA and DA) too when consider buying a domain, and I knew the fact that PR is dynamic (Could be PR 3.8 or PR4.2), but still I thought it was one of the, if not the, main factors to consider when buying a domain. Maybe I was very wrong!
     
  9. fxphil

    fxphil Senior Member

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    Agreed, Pagerank is adjusted daily however google does not update it publicly that often. Your pr 8 may have been pr 8 at last ublic update but ti could be zero in algorithm. Pagerank is a racket scheme used by churn and burners. It doesn't really matter unless your selling a site. BUT it does have value and there are aspects in pagerank that affects normal ranking abilities.
     
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    PageRank isn't completely useless because it can be an indication of a high quality link profile. The actual PR integer is not important but there is usually a reason for a website being PR4. My advice is for you to use PR as a "filter" of sorts and double check the strength of the domain with ahrefs.
     
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  11. theqavish

    theqavish Regular Member

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    This would make easy to understand: Only case, placing backlinks on high PR Vs high P/A site.

    PR : Higher the PR of the site, higher the indexing rate posts have.
    P/A: Higher the P/A higher the site ranks in search engines for the keyword.
     
  12. testdrive

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    Your thing about PR might be true but not always. True High PR sites tends to be those authority sites and these authority sites is updated several times a day. Google loves sites which is updated constantly so google bot tends to crawl these sites regulary.

    Your thing about PA is almost a BS. Higher PA just means you have a lots of backlinks and lots of backlinks doesnt mean you will rank.
     
  13. verilix

    verilix Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    I'd get whichever domain was older and stronger.
     
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    theqavish Regular Member

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    I would only say one thing here, you are still on a testdrive here.
     
  15. testdrive

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    Whatever you say kid.. :)
     
  16. ramarama

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    While PR is dead and probably has been for a while, I don't think you can just jump in and say now 'authority' is the new PR. True it possibly is at a high level, but there are countless thousands of high "authority" links out their (DA, MOZ etc) that are carrying panda/ penguin penalties and don't actually rank or get traffic. Linking back from these domains probably won't do your site much good I would have thought. That's my opinion.. what does anyone else think?
     
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    PR is dead : so why the fuck do we still see " high pr links" written all over the BST.
     
  18. testdrive

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    Again.. PR is not dead.. PR toolbar is.. please see the difference. Did you even read the thread?

    Who said that "authority is the new PR" The phrase doesn't even make sense at all. Authority of a site is measured by so many factors, and PR is just a small part of it. so you really can 't say that PR=authority.

    What I'm saying in my previous post was a reply to on member that high PR = high index rate. I said, it is true most of the time because those "true high PR site" tends to be those authority sites like wikipedia, etc.

    The reason it is indexed quickly is because, authority sites tends to be updated several times a day and google bots tends to crawl those sites very much ofter compared to those small sites.

    But I'm not saying that if a site has a high PR, it is automatically an authority site. I hope you got my point.

    No one is arguing that there are high PR sites and High DA/PA sites that has penalty. And you are right, having a link from penalized sites regardless of PR and DA/PA will probably do you more harm than good.
     
  19. ramarama

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    Lol. I'm not disagreeing with you. But if the PR toolbar is dead, then by implication PR as a useful metric 'is dead'. It may still exist, but if it can't be measured then where is it's use? I guess the only time it has value is just after an update. However the further away from an update you base an assumption on the toolbar metric, then the more inaccurate the assumption will be.

    I guess my point is that people love to put things in boxes - PR provided a solution for that. Now DA/PA are likely to be blindly used as the 'new' metric. However as we agree many people are probably going to make the mistake of relying soley on DA/PA but that is only half the story.
     
  20. SEODEMON

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    Da Domain Authority matters only