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Avoiding Ban/Shadowbans on Telegram
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cynicalwork
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thanks for the notification
Hi. It's been a while and I'm not really active on this forum, I'm way more active on telegram, and this forums looks a bit old.
Sad I missed so many threads, it seems that this forum is actually pretty good.
The problem is that because it's public, everyone can see what we are trying to do & replicate our techniques.
Concerning geo, I have a personal emphasis with +31 and +44 numbers. +44 are the best price/quality ratio in my opinion.
And I'm not the only one: for instance +44 are used by company like Navy Deep for their aged accounts.
When I was saying that Telegram does not care about your IP, that is partly true. But not in the beginning.
When you start warming up your accounts, you need *isolated residential proxies*. 1IP per account, in the country of the phone
number.
Then, you start your warmup tasks. 2 weeks is enough in my opinion.
For warmup take inspiration of other Telegram software(lot of them) aimed for large scale advertising and scraping/adding(don't want to make a free ad lmao)
Don't forget to set the "lang_pack" parameter in DeviceConfig if you do so! Otherwise Telegram will ban you.
I was having trouble with that when buying account. Keep the same geo as the phone number for residential proxies,
and adapt the .json file containing the session information you bought(most of the time it's an android device) to the good
lang_pack(most of the time "android").
Then, you might want to use official API_ID and API_HASH, they are provided for free by opentele, I also found a couple of good
sustainable one online. They allow you to act like a real client. (Don't forget about `lang_pack`!!!!)
Opentele does that for you if you use Python and Telethon library, but its quite easy to port to another library/language anyway.
If you use Golang:
I added support for TDATA to the library https://github.com/celestix/gotgproto in Golang if you need to.
(following commit: https://github.com/celestix/gotgproto/commit/39fd6967a98abd22c7c78e5117c4288a363d90fb)
Not needed and expensive. Telegram doesn't care.
When I warmup my account, each account will costs me around 30-40MB of bandwidth.
After warm up, I use VPN(since Telegram is privacy oriented they don't ban users using VPN, since it represents a lot of their user base), but you need to warmup first.
I create 500 accounts/month. 35*500=17500MB=17.5GB per month... That's already a lot, and mobile proxies are even more expensive.
So that was for the "cheap" account, usually for Mass DMs, or scraping/adding.
You don't want aged account like from 2014 for that, as Telegram will still bans them(they are reported as spam by user)
For Mass Forwards, you aim at good aged accounts.
I have 2014 aged accounts, I buy them premium, and I can send my ad to a bit less that 500 chats without getting banned.
It costs a lot but they are worth it.
I'm collecting data on the number of messages/mass dms that gets your account banned.
Same for the name of competitors... I also have more information to share about how to imitate the official API.
I'm not checking this forum often cause its too public..
But this place is too public in my opinion, why not creating a tg private group for further discussion?
I don't know if we can do that according to the rule so don't want to get banned.
Am I stupid?
My mistake, I'm re-reading it...
That's 15MB....
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No that is not allowed as it would be promoting another forum or group which is against the terms of service.
Anne-Maree
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you can not send spam message .and don't use google voice for telegram .
cynicalwork
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what do you mean? by spam message and google voice
cynicalwork
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It depends what you are referring too.
Because yes, there is sort of "rate limits".
You don't want to advertise more than 30 messages / minutes.
If you do around 40-50 requests you will start getting SLOW_MODE_WAIT message from Telegram.
And, if you do more than that, you'll get FLOOD_WAIT_ERROR, which will force you to wait for a while(really,
a lot more than if you just had distributed the requests over time).
So, you want to stay under certain threshold for each accounts, and distribute the work correctly, creating the good number of accounts for the correct number of ad.
Yes, most people should use proxy, especially during the first connection to the account. If you don't use proxies and you bought accounts in bulk, and you connect without proxies and bad configuration, they will all get banned, at the same time!
cynicalwork
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It tells nothing about telegram accounts stop bumping a thread for useless reason.
People get notification when you do so
webtiger
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You should stop speaking like ChatGPT. If you want to develop Telegram applications that won't get banned, I suggest you abandon the use of API ID, API hash, and Python, and instead work on something with Telegram's open-source code.
cynicalwork
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who's speaking like chatgpt? Your sending some random thing about economy I tell you that this isn't in the scope of the discussion at all
And what about "Python"? I said literally in the message above you that I was writing in Golang.
"Instead work on something with Telegram's open-source code" => same thing, I said right above that I contributed to an open source project? wtf?
Really I don't know what tf you are saying.
It's so fucking weird even a LLM doesn't say random things like this
vuvanthuan170696
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There's no fixed threshold for "too many messages." With multiple accounts added to what you have already carries significant risks.
cynicalwork
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I see, sorry. Do you meant, to look at the official telegram desktop source code that is public, to search and try to imitate the official API? I already did so, I explained btw to try to imitate official APIs, modifying the `lang_pack` parameter and getting official API_ID&API_HASH etc.
But why suggesting me to abandon the use of the MTProto client libraries whether they are written in Python/Golang while even the official Telegram desktop application or Telegram Android is using that same protocol?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_IndexI'm sorry, it was related to democracy, as it is an index published by The Economist.
I didn't read the title I just saw that it is completely outside of the scope of this thread.
Then can you explain how does it relate to that thread? Countries with high democracy index get banned less? Or something like Telegram is building scores like those invisible captcha for ban rates?
Why not just explaining in plain english
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webtiger
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Yes Exactly! I struggled for months to solve some methods, but I can't openly say them. If someone had told me this months ago, everything would have been easier: 'Use the application you developed from the Telegram source code on an Android emulator."
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