** AUTO BLOGS ON CRACK ** Plugins Edition **

Ok, I wanted to address a concern from vslay since I get PMed all day about it.

I have a little website (that we all know of) with the order form still there and I get accused all day from vslay of selling more copies than I stated....

First, I would love to know how vslay knows exactly how many copies I've sold...
and I would like to tell a few aspiring Internet Marketers about a little scare tactic called 'going going gone' .. when you have 50 copies left, you tell people you have 40 , when you have 40 copies left you state 30 or so... So when I said 5 copies left, I had around 13 or 14 ....

I've also traded a few copies for services via the forum...

Is this the work of the devil? Well if you think so then you need to get out of Internet Marketing and stop trying to make money online.

Ok, now, if you are worried about this formula being saturated, then don't .. it absolutely can NOT be saturated in any way, shape, or form.. Again, re-read this thread and see what many members say about this not being saturatable ...

Anyone with concerns, please re-read this thread and your questions will be answered.

The product is sold out and if anyone has concerns please PM me or just have a beer and let's all be happy..

Jay

undergroundguru said:

Ok, I wanted to address a concern from vslay since I get PMed all day about it.

I have a little website (that we all know of) with the order form still there and I get accused all day from vslay of selling more copies than I stated....

First, I would love to know how vslay knows exactly how many copies I've sold...
and I would like to tell a few aspiring Internet Marketers about a little scare tactic called 'going going gone' .. when you have 50 copies left, you tell people you have 40 , when you have 40 copies left you state 30 or so... So when I said 5 copies left, I had around 13 or 14 ....

I've also traded a few copies for services via the forum...

Is this the work of the devil? Well if you think so then you need to get out of Internet Marketing and stop trying to make money online.

Ok, now, if you are worried about this formula being saturated, then don't .. it absolutely can NOT be saturated in any way, shape, or form.. Again, re-read this thread and see what many members say about this not being saturatable ...

Anyone with concerns, please re-read this thread and your questions will be answered.

The product is sold out and if anyone has concerns please PM me or just have a beer and let's all be happy..

Jay

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Wow, real classy man. I was trying to deal with you via PM while we worked this out, and then you come out in the open and trash one of your paying customers. I will reconsider my decision to keep this private.

Nope, not trashing you man.. just wanted to address your concern. You kept saying 'before you post this on the open thread', so I figured I'd do it for you.

I fixed the page for you vslay...

UG

Awwww Sold out. :/ I was gonna buy this today as well.

I think it's still for sale, I just saw the order page and it's now priced at $197...

It is sold out, but a version #2 is 2-3 weeks away.

Why would you buy the old version, when you can get the new version??

I do wish Jay would say it's sold out on his web page, it's getting a little old
going through this time and time again.

While you wait for the new version, you can get your hosting and start thinking
about what subjects you want to use for your new autoblogs.

You can also sign up for the Auto Blogs On Crack Forum and get a jump on
everybody else (who knows, Jay may even give his forum members some
additional bonuses when the new version comes out.).

Great post =)

vslay said:

edit: Never mind, I'm going to try to address this via PM with the OP first.

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vslay,

Sounds like you should spend more of your energy on making blogs and less
on who is selling what.

I bought the package too. The package is more about the method and plugins
and how to stay under google's radar. Those things are not going to get
saturated. How can they get saturated? Everybody is using different niches,
different sources of content and different ways of promoting there blogs.

I kind of get the idea that you have not made any blogs and are afraid that
by the time you do, the method won't work anymore. I just don't see that
happening. The most that will happen will be that people who purchased the
package will find some cool new ways of making money with blogs and will
share those ideas with the other paid members of the ABOC forum.

I know for sure that Jay has some new twists that he is going to share with
the other members.

autoblogs are the shiz. passsive income for life my friend

I'm going to jump in here and make some facts clear since it seems that you have been called into the thread to defend the package by the product creator or perhaps just because you happen to be a very satisfied buyer...

Either way, I just want to state some so-called 'facts'...and at the same time try to stand in the middle as much as possible..

I had purchased this product yesterday for the price of $80...that's right...$80...while some of the other BHW members had purchased it at $97 and I found this out through PM's of disgruntled buyers...vslay one of them...

Now when I had visited the sales page, I paid through paypal then thru Clickbank, and it went through and I even have my receipt to prove it...I initially had some regret with the package and contacted vslay since he posted his transaction details in this thread for his feedback and he sent me copies of his PM's with undergroundguru...

Now it seems that there was some kind of 'auto blogs on crack' blog creation service for $80, but that wasn't what I purchased at $80 since I purchased a package called 'ABOC v1' and vslay says he/she paid $97 for the same packaged deal that supposedly 'sold out'...

Today I saw the same sales page at the same URL as I purchased yesterday with the price tag at $97...then after vslay had PM'd me throughout the day a couple times about the misinformation so I checked the salespage at autoblogsoncrack*com and found the sales price to be at $197...

This is also after the product creator mentioned that the product was 'sold out'...so read on...

The order now button took me to a sales page that appeared to still accept different payment options ranging from credit cards to paypal and Google Checkout so I can only assume orders were being taken at the $197 price tag as I mentioned in my above post...

My conclusion is that if there is one thing that is going on is the lack of congruency...As the customer, I have every damn right to feel cheated, scammed, upset, disappointed, etc. if someone is saying something here, at BHW...Then their sales page says one thing, and then continually changes as disputes about the sales claims rage on...

You can defend all you want, but while the customer may not always be right, they are your customer and they are showing you what you are doing wrong...while you are taking their money...

If you can't even hang up a simple edited sales page that is congruent with what you are saying on BHW that seems to be your customer base...then you have some things that you need to put in-line so we can all understand it whether we are smart, average, or stupid customers...

You customer will never always be right, but they are your customer and you are living off the money they earned and entrusted you with...This is something at BHW that has deteriorated since I first joined...

So set some things straight, and most of all be congruent with your offer and the messages you are communicating to us here at BHW at the very least...

That's the facts, whether you are doing so-called Internet Marketing or just trying to live your life...

There is no congruency in the offer presented, therefore you should very well expect unsatisfied customers who can't understand where you're heading...

If congruency isn't important, then slap Eben Pagan and Rich Schefren cold across their faces and tell them they are wrong...

I also want to acknowledge that this no attack, just trying to state what I have observed and trying to be as fair as possible in the two sides I've observed via PM with both undergroundguru and vslay's concerns...

LHaskins said:

vslay,

Sounds like you should spend more of your energy on making blogs and less
on who is selling what.

I bought the package too. The package is more about the method and plugins
and how to stay under google's radar. Those things are not going to get
saturated. How can they get saturated? Everybody is using different niches,
different sources of content and different ways of promoting there blogs.

I kind of get the idea that you have not made any blogs and are afraid that
by the time you do, the method won't work anymore. I just don't see that
happening. The most that will happen will be that people who purchased the
package will find some cool new ways of making money with blogs and will
share those ideas with the other paid members of the ABOC forum.

I know for sure that Jay has some new twists that he is going to share with
the other members.

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LHaskins said:

vslay,

Sounds like you should spend more of your energy on making blogs and less
on who is selling what.

I bought the package too. The package is more about the method and plugins
and how to stay under google's radar. Those things are not going to get
saturated. How can they get saturated? Everybody is using different niches,
different sources of content and different ways of promoting there blogs.

I kind of get the idea that you have not made any blogs and are afraid that
by the time you do, the method won't work anymore. I just don't see that
happening. The most that will happen will be that people who purchased the
package will find some cool new ways of making money with blogs and will
share those ideas with the other paid members of the ABOC forum.

I know for sure that Jay has some new twists that he is going to share with
the other members.

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I've made plenty of autoblogs, thank you very much, before and after purchasing the aforementioned product. This did absolutely nothing to contribute to the effectiveness of my blogs. Saturation is not my problem, honesty and quality are my problems.

deth_by_uv pretty much hit the nail on the head with his post. When I mentioned to undergroundguru via PM that he been promoting the ebook for $80, he denied it and said that that price was only for his autoblog creation service, even though the sales page remained exactly the same and made no such mention.

Make money and the haters will come...

Everyone has their own haters and mine are vslay and dethbyuv .. deth_by_uv is challenged or something and vslay is just a little pile of sadness.

You guys need a hug and a few bucks I guess...

Now, can I un-hijack my thread please??

Anyone found any new plugins that rock?

UG

Just a thought.....it doesn't make sense the price would drop if UndergroundGuru was trying to sell more copies. Wouldn't he want to keep getting $97 a copy if the demand for his product was still there?

My blog was down right after I activated Platinum SEO Pack, anyone knows how to fix it?

Guru any idea how to solve the problem i pm you about?

Hey UG, I just wanted to bring this to your attention and ask for comments about what is posted on this blog;


Some really hateful stuff is stated there, and should be addressed. Now I'm not posting this to bash on you but everyone should know what they are getting into. I'm fairly sure your lovable pair of haters probably made this so the reliability of the post is questionable.

Rotting_Corpse said:

Hey UG, I just wanted to bring this to your attention and ask for comments about what is posted on this blog;

HTML:

autoblogsoncrack.wordpress.com/

Some really hateful stuff is stated there, and should be addressed. Now I'm not posting this to bash on you but everyone should know what they are getting into. I'm fairly sure your lovable pair of haters probably made this so the reliability of the post is questionable.

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Nothing to do with it, man, way to assume. You know who that makes an ass out of...

Make money and the haters will come...

Everyone has their own haters and mine are vslay and dethbyuv .. deth_by_uv is challenged or something and vslay is just a little pile of sadness.

You guys need a hug and a few bucks I guess...

Now, can I un-hijack my thread please??

Anyone found any new plugins that rock?

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Nobody hates you because you make money, this whole thing is about your lack of honesty and integrity. You're a pretty nasty person, I've tried to stay above the belt here and you bring it down with your nasty comments like this. Namecalling those who you are in a dispute with makes you look like a petty person.

I will be posting a copy of some of the things you said via PM later to let the people decide.

Okay, since underground decided to break off our our handling of this dispute privately, I have posted our PMs in their entirety to let you judge for yourself. Notice how he stops defending himself toward the end, knowing he is in the wrong, and basically says deal with it.

My first PM to him and his response: (comments in bold are directly contradicted by deth's account of undergroundguru marketing the product to him for $80, and finally selling it to him via that link for $80.

vslay said:

You said you were only going to sell 50 at all, not just for a discount on this forum, and you've sold more than 50 and you cut the price by almost $20. Aside from being quite underwhelmed with the product itself, I am feeling very disappointed about the lack of honesty. After you offer BHW members a "special" price for $97, you jack it down to $80 for the general public.

mcdc , It'll be $197 , but BHWers get it for $97 , of course! Gotta give back to my fellow blackhatters.

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I'm only selling 50 copies, and 1,000 people are waiting in line. 950 people are going to be disappointed.

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I realize this is a blackhat forum, but please don't blackhat your fellow blackhatters.

I had posted this on the thread, but I deleted it and decided to PM you first, I want to see if you can adequately address my concerns before I post publicly.

I wish you would grant refunds, I know that you said that you wouldn't, but you also said some other things that weren't true.

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undergroundguru said:

Hey,

Yeah, I've got 3 or 4 PMs about this subject, and I've told everyone that I'm selling 10 autoblogs for $80 and this is to purchase this service.

My autoblog service is for my elite customers and not open to the public.. if I offer my autoblog creation service to the public again I'll get bombarded with 1 or 2 blog orders, questions, etc.. and I don't have time for this.

If you'd like to purchase the autoblog service you can order through that link as well and I will create 10 autoblogs for you on your own hosting, fully setup, optimized, etc..

Thanks for your concern.. and I'm working on creating a site just for the autoblog creation service. I'll let my customers know via the forum..

Talk soon,
Jay

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I took what he said at face value at that point, and responded:

vslay said:

Thanks for the response, that all sounds good, sorry I took on such an accusatory tone. I just signed up at the ABOC forums, I don't know if you need to upgrade me manually to get full access, but my username is Vince.

Thanks.

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After that, I learned via PM that deth had bought it from underground for $80, so I sent to underground:

vslay said:

I really wanted to believe you, but I know for a fact that you have sold the ebook for $80, and that you have been telling people that they can buy it for $80. I also see that you have restored the price to $97, which was supposed to be the BHW "discount", which I also see was the DP "discount", where free copies were also given away.

From what I have seen, and I hope I am wrong, you have been dishonest about this product from the get-go, in addition to it just being a rehash of everything that is available here for free. I am asking that you refund me.

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After this, underground decided to take our private dispute public, and posted this in this thread:

underground said:

Ok, I wanted to address a concern from vslay since I get PMed all day about it.

I have a little website (that we all know of) with the order form still there and I get accused all day from vslay of selling more copies than I stated....

First, I would love to know how vslay knows exactly how many copies I've sold...
and I would like to tell a few aspiring Internet Marketers about a little scare tactic called 'going going gone' .. when you have 50 copies left, you tell people you have 40 , when you have 40 copies left you state 30 or so... So when I said 5 copies left, I had around 13 or 14 ....

I've also traded a few copies for services via the forum...

Is this the work of the devil? Well if you think so then you need to get out of Internet Marketing and stop trying to make money online.

Ok, now, if you are worried about this formula being saturated, then don't .. it absolutely can NOT be saturated in any way, shape, or form.. Again, re-read this thread and see what many members say about this not being saturatable ...

Anyone with concerns, please re-read this thread and your questions will be answered.

The product is sold out and if anyone has concerns please PM me or just have a beer and let's all be happy..

Jay

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I was trying to do the classy thing and keep this private to give him a chance to explain and/or clear himself, but he decided to hit below the waist right here.

He then responded to my PM after making the above post:

underground said:

Everyone knows it was on DP ... re-read the thread..

I don't really have time to defend why I have an order form up on MY website... If you don't believe me, then that's fine.

There is nothing that can be saturated anyway, is that what you're worried about? And re-read the thread and you'll see that this is in no way a rehash of any other product, and if the knowledge was easily gatherable then why did it sell so many copies and have nothing but rave reviews.. Absolutely no complaints until you.

There are no refunds as stated on the website. You could initiate a complaint with paypal if you'd like but they have my account limited with no money in it and I have abandoned that account anyway... but you could try and maybe they would give it to you out of their money.

Jay

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I responded:

vslay said:

DP wasn't the substance of my complaint, I was just saying that the BHW "discount" wasn't a discount and it wasn't limited to 50 copies, and that this comment was disingenuous:

mcdc , It'll be $197 , but BHWers get it for $97 , of course! Gotta give back to my fellow blackhatters.

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Regardless of whether this can become saturated, you still represented the product as being limited to 50 copies when you sold it, and you said that after 50 members of BHW bought it for $97, it would go to $197. As I said, I wanted to believe you that the order form was up for autoblogs, but I know for a fact that you told another member that you were selling the product for $80, and when he paid $80 for it, he received the product. He has a similar view of the product as I do.

Why do I need to re-read the thread to see that this product isn't a rehash of other material? All I need to do is read the product, the thread has nothing to do with it. Maybe people on the thread don't know how to search the forums and read other threads, because nothing in it was new to me just based off of my limited research of autoblogs here at BHW.

I paid through Google Checkout, and while you said that you didn't offer refunds, you also said some other things that weren't true, so I thought we could call it even at that.

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His response:

underground said:

Ok, for you I updated the site...

Jay

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And by "updating the site", he means that he changed the price to $197, keeping it for sale even though it was supposedly "sold out."

My response:

vslay said:

How does that change anything?

For one, if it is truly sold out, why would that link even remain? People usually remove a payment link when they stop selling a product.

And come on, I know you have marketed it and sold it for $80, you know it, and regardless of what you do with that so called autoblog creation payment link now, that doesn't change what has happened. How are your customers looking for "autoblog creation" going to pay you now?

And going onto that thread to smear me after I tried to do the classy thing and address this via PM? Extremely distasteful. I'm just asking for you to be honest, maybe go on the thread and acknowledge that you screwed up, and I sure wouldn't mind getting my money back.

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His response:

undergroundguru said:

I'm too busy for this.. I make money.

I'm sorry you have something against my tactics.. just learn and move on.

Jay

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My response:

vslay said:

What are your tactics, lying to and deceiving your customers? As I said earlier, don't blackhat your fellow blackhatters. If you had at least been honest with me upfront, I would've been a little ticked, but I would have just moved on. Now that you've lied to me and slimed me on the thread with information that both of us know isn't true, it becomes personal.

If you want to move on with your life and go make some more money, just give my my refund and move on. But I'm not just going to be pushed over and insulted by saying that I can learn from you, not after what's happened.

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And I sent that almost 24 hours ago, haven't heard back, but he has since come on here and childishly namecalled me and deth, calling me a "little pile of sadness" and deth "challenged." Reminder that we are both paying customers, and this is how he conducts business.

Complete lies vslay .. haha no one believes you. You're making a fool out of yourself!
Anyone can write something and post it, jeez!

I reported your PM harassment to the mods.. Man, just get a life please.. If you made any money at all you wouldn't have time to hate on someone.

Are you done with your hissy fits vslay/deth ?

Now.. when a mod can help un-hijack my thread I'll post some more good stuff in here.. but I don't have time to respond to a couple of girls on my jock.

UG

By the way, you are NOT paying customers .. deth is NOT a customer at all, so that's just sad that he wants to believe that.