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Attention All Howie Schwartz Fans - Please Read!

Discussion in 'Forum Suggestions & Feedback' started by WizGizmo, Mar 19, 2009.

  1. WizGizmo

    WizGizmo Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

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    Hey B-Hatters:

    I have some important information that I need to pass on to my fellow members who, like myself, have been following the methods of Howie Schwartz.

    As of today, products by Howie Schwartz are no longer be allowed to be shared here at Black Hat World. In other words, Howie's commercial products (videos, pdf's, audios, etc.) are now on BHW's "Do Not Share" list.

    It is my understanding that Diamond Dave (the owner/administratoe of BHW) is a friend of Howie Schwartz, and earlier today, I noticed that several of the download posts for Howie's products had been deleted by Diamond Dave. I then looked at the "Do Not Share" list and noticed that All Products By Howie Schwartz had been added to the list

    As much as this may come as a disappointment to many (myself included), we must comply with the wishes of Diamond Dave, whom without, there would be no Black Hat World.

    Therefore, for your future reference, please do not post any more downloads for Howie Schwartz's products in the Member's Download forum and do not request downloads for Howie's products in the Download Requests forum.

    Your Cooperation Will Be Greatly Appreciated :)

    Cheers! - "Wiz"
     
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  2. ashilicious

    ashilicious Junior Member

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    Oh Gee Wiz!
     
  3. neo

    neo Power Member

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    The "Do not share" list is growing faster than the download section. ;)

    Anyway thanks for the heads up Wiz. :)
     
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  4. Sippy79

    Sippy79 Junior Member

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    No problems with that, thanks for the notice :)
     
  5. blackzeus

    blackzeus Registered Member

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    Should we start to wonder the wonder of BHW???
     
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  6. opteron

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    yes, part of BHW sharing is gone!!! :eek:
     
  7. davioli

    davioli Regular Member

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    I think its pretty good we're moving away from the free downloads model.... It will discourage those newbies who come here strictly for getting software/ebooks.
    Excellent move!
     
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  8. shafty

    shafty Junior Member

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    It doesnt matter a jot...

    Plenty of places to download that stuff for free if you want.
     
  9. kkkola

    kkkola Newbie

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    When I saw the ad for Blackhat Is Back here at BHW, I knew this was coming.
     
  10. DaveNL

    DaveNL BANNED BANNED

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    That figures
     
  11. KnightDragon

    KnightDragon Newbie

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    Yea ,

    i received PM from Diamond Dave saying that he's a Good Friend of Howie Schwartz :)

    So no more sharing of Howie Schwartz Products form now on :p
     
  12. shafty

    shafty Junior Member

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    OK Howie fans deprived of his stuff. Here it is in a nutshell.

    Promote long tail buying keyphrases. Use hot web2.0 sites to promote your page.

    Outsource all account creation and page design work

    Sit back and make hay.

    There you go, saved you hundreds...
     
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  13. vegasvillan

    vegasvillan Regular Member

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    I wonder if Howie has a BHW account lol
     
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  14. Nick Flame

    Nick Flame Executive VIP Premium Member

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    Howie's videos and stuff are basicly the same idea told in different ways, rehashed, pretty useful if you did not know about it, but can be expressed in 1 page or a longer forum post, no need to make tens of videos, and seminars, etc... to say basically the same thing.

    The idea, as told before, is to rank for very long tail keywords using web 2.0 properties.

    (He uses 4,5,6 words long buying keywords )

    Does it work? You can make some money, but you will never make a lot of money unless you put in an enormous effort. Those long keywords, although buyer happy, get searched very rarely. Of course, you will own 9 spots of google out of 10 for the keyword "buy harry potter costumes and wands" using web 2.0 property and stuff... but that phrase gets searched exactly like what? 3 times per month best case scenario? That's why you need to build hundreds of thousands of such pages in order to make some money out of it, and this is why he has a very big outsource team and automated tools. Because it does take A LOT of effort to make significant money.

    So does it make money? Let's see...

    Those long tails products are mostly physical products, so your commision will be around 4% at amazon. Aka you sell a 100$ bucks costume, congrats, you get a 4$ commision.

    From this commision you have to pay your enormous outsource team, you have to pay for the content, landing page design, etc... The good part is that you do not have to invest that much in domains cause you mostly use web 2.0 properties.

    But let's get back to some examples from Howie's videos:

    "one of my smartest student used my methods, created a squeeze page, and he obtained in the first 30 days 100 leads - for windows replacement niche- can you believe it? See it works?"

    And one of the participants in the seminar - thinking probably like me, 100 leads? Dude i get that in 24 hours- asked how much were these leads worth?

    Howie said:" Very valuable, like 20-30$ each"

    So let's get this straight: One of his most impressive students, applied his methods, put a lot of effort and made in 30 days about 2-3k $? Really ? And that's impressive and worth paying 2k seminars or how much is it? Maybe these guys should come at bhw, here most of our users make 2-3k in their first month, and is all for free, and with much less effort.

    Another example taken directly from Howie's words:

    " Guys, did stuff works, cause i know what i am doing, i build ( i -aka me- do not remember how many thousands of squidoo lens and hubpages he said) web 2.0 properties, rank for long tail keywords that are buyer happy and last week i made 3 sales of 1,500$ plasma tv's . Isn't that impressive?"

    Let's see... amazon 4% comission... at 1500$ plasma tv you get an 60$ bucks commision (as much as a 97$ ebook, and which one you think it is easier to sell, an ebook at 97$ or a plasma tv at 1500$?)...at 3 you made 180$... wow... i am impressed.....

    So let me get this straight... last week... you used your 70 people outsource team.... and build hundreds or thousands of web 2.0 properties... and you made 180$?

    Yeah, i am definitively impressed. No wonder he needs to do high price seminars to sell his stuff, cause the pure profit from his methods, after paying the outsource team and stuff... is pretty pretty low.

    Other thing from Howie words: "You can't believe what happened to me. Several months ago my merchang blocked by account and he froze 65,000$ in it. And i could not use those money for like 6 months, omg, what am i gonna do, i have to diversify and use different merchant accounts, etc.."

    For a guy supposedly running an operation as big as yours, with 70 people your employees, and making lots of money from serps, 65k should be pocket change. Especially since you were in the business from like what, 10 years ago or something?
     
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  15. amsteve

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    Nice post Nick, very well said.
     
  16. ★WiM★

    ★WiM★ Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Nick Flame +10
    Howie sell only air :)
     
  17. shafty

    shafty Junior Member

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    Hahaha.. Well said Nick...

    Howie has been outed. I never rated the guy, the basic idea is ok for a $10 ebook but its way outta date. Once any idea has this much publicity and has noobs trying it hundreds of times daily its dead!

    Face it guys, if you were creaming the cash. The method would stay a BIG secret. Only when it starts losing its effectiveness then you ramp it out to the public to die a slow death..

    Many more profitable ways to make money online, just not many dudes know about em yet.
     
  18. photoads

    photoads Regular Member

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    Great post Nick - funny I was thinking there was a lot of hype in the video only yesterday.
     
  19. thxflash

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    Nick, thanks for the post. I totally agree with everything you say. Most of it is worthless or rehashed stuff that you can find here for free.
     
  20. phazzy

    phazzy Newbie

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    thanks nick flame, with that kind of commissions no wonder howie is taking no chances and is covering all the bases he can, he is smart for befriending diamond dave. but i doubt by creating a product which name contained "black hat" will appeal to most of b-hatters. but whatever, i did subscribed about 4 or 5 of his 1 dollar offers, was disappointed that most of them were identical, hence i cancelled all of them. plus to be honest, howie is so annoying these days.

    but i am not discrediting his methods cause it will still work well so long as you use long tail keywords that get enough searches, so it all boils down to your market research, which, correct me if i'm wrong but howie did not cover that aspect. so just be smart. all is not lost.
     
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