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Hey Guys,

I would like to answer your concerns related to WordPress Content & It's SEO, as per my best.

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Hello Sir, would you mind having a chat somewhere? Just got into Blogging and I have my mind a little foggy
 
Hi Allen. Thanks for this.

My question is: Is there is any different SEO strategy for informative websites. Eg: Providing contact details of customer care of different brands/services. What's your opinion on this.

What's the best way of doing SEO for this?
 
What is the appropriate keyword density for a 1500 word blog post? Placement? Thanks!
2-3% (not just exact keywords, their synonyms and related keywords are counted too). For example, if your 100 word article contains 1 “car”, 1 “automobile” and 1 “auto”, keyword density will be 3%
 
2-3% (not just exact keywords, their synonyms and related keywords are counted too). For example, if your 100 word article contains 1 “car”, 1 “automobile” and 1 “auto”, keyword density will be 3%

Where did you learn that?

That's just completely false and has nothing at all to do with SEO in 2022. At no point in history was that ever true. That would make most pages over optimized. Why would the word 'auto' be counted as 'car'. Even automobile and car are entirely different words.
 
Where did you learn that?

That's just completely false and has nothing at all to do with SEO in 2022. At no point in history was that ever true. That would make most pages over optimized. Why would the word 'auto' be counted as 'car'. Even automobile and car are entirely different words.
Somebody’s sister has taught me.

anyway, google shows related keywords as bolded on SERPs, in description sections.

Take it easy, hubris will kill your personality, maybe it has already killed
 
Somebody’s sister has taught me.

anyway, google shows related keywords as bolded on SERPs, in description sections.

Take it easy, hubris will kill your personality, maybe it has already killed

You dropped un-informed and wrong suggestions and are salty now that someone pointed it out. You should just thank them for correcting you.
 
2-3% (not just exact keywords, their synonyms and related keywords are counted too). For example, if your 100 word article contains 1 “car”, 1 “automobile” and 1 “auto”, keyword density will be 3%
Okay, what is the appropriate keyword density for a 800 word blog post? Is it the same? Thanks
 
Somebody’s sister has taught me.

anyway, google shows related keywords as bolded on SERPs, in description sections.

Take it easy, hubris will kill your personality, maybe it has already killed

What pride? I didn't say anything about myself.

I just asked for a source, because it's a highly unusual statement and it's just going to create complete confusion for people learning SEO.

If someone new to SEO reads that and starts adding up keyword densities including synonyms and near-synonyms then they're not going to get anywhere and be really confused as to why they're not ranking.

Even keyword density is really not something that's important these days. It was still somewhat important for longer tail keywords up until about 2021, but even then I regularly see longtails for local business sites ranking with just 1 mention of the main keyword, and others, for the same SERP having 14-15 mentions.

And the reason for that is because google isn't just viewing your page as a simple, separate entity. If you have 50 articles on your site talking about different aspects of the topic contract law, then you'll more easily rank a service page like "contract lawyer in Texas". You could get away with just 1 or 2 mentions of it, because google already considers you topically authoritative in contract law.

A site that's either got no other pages about contract law, or is very small will struggle with that. This is based on real experience of seeing countless, 100's over the past year, and 1000's over the past 5 years client sites. Analyzing the SERPs to understand what someone needs to rank. This isn't hubris. It's just plain old repetitive experience.

Beyond that, what google is looking for on the page is based on the machine learning's understanding of what a user will want. They do look for certain things like tables, images and videos. You'll often see a lot of similarities in page 1 results. Especially compared with page 2, which are usually lacking something the page 1's have.

If your page is structured wrong, it can really affect things. Sometimes they want to see some sort of form near the top, or a table of information, or they like a shorter page with less text, or they want more text.

Finally the thing they're looking for is topical entities on the page. You can't just plaster keywords on. You need to actually cover the topic. This means they're looking for all the entities within the paragraphs that are known to be related.

Ie, if I have a section

SEO Basics

there are certain things google will expect. You can generally guess them, and any decent writer is going to cover them if the text is good. But those things might need mentions of "headers", "keywords", "html", "content", "traffic". It's actually quite a broad entity. If you google "seo basics" and check some pages in the top 5 you'll see the kind of topics within it.

In the past you could have written about fish soup, and just included "seo basics", "learn seo", "seo fundamentals" in your text about fish soup, and you'd gain relevancy.

Now, it's much better at actually understanding context, so you can't just slap keywords in a paragraph of unrelated text. It can work out the topical entities of a text and very accurately classify a piece of text. Because it can easily classify a piece of text, it understands all the connections because of its knowledge graph, which is a graph database of all the entities in existence and how they connect.

It's actually quite an involved and complicated topic these days, and that's why a statement about keyword density, including related keywords just doesn't make sense. Google showing related keywords in bold in the SERPs doesn't mean it's ranking pages based on a combined keyword density :-)


Okay, what is the appropriate keyword density for a 800 word blog post? Is it the same? Thanks

You see? Already you've got people now asking what the "correct" keyword density is for "X words". People will also naturally be attracted to these simplistic answers because it seems easier.
 
What pride? I didn't say anything about myself.

I just asked for a source, because it's a highly unusual statement and it's just going to create complete confusion for people learning SEO.

If someone new to SEO reads that and starts adding up keyword densities including synonyms and near-synonyms then they're not going to get anywhere and be really confused as to why they're not ranking.

Even keyword density is really not something that's important these days. It was still somewhat important for longer tail keywords up until about 2021, but even then I regularly see longtails for local business sites ranking with just 1 mention of the main keyword, and others, for the same SERP having 14-15 mentions.

And the reason for that is because google isn't just viewing your page as a simple, separate entity. If you have 50 articles on your site talking about different aspects of the topic contract law, then you'll more easily rank a service page like "contract lawyer in Texas". You could get away with just 1 or 2 mentions of it, because google already considers you topically authoritative in contract law.

A site that's either got no other pages about contract law, or is very small will struggle with that. This is based on real experience of seeing countless, 100's over the past year, and 1000's over the past 5 years client sites. Analyzing the SERPs to understand what someone needs to rank. This isn't hubris. It's just plain old repetitive experience.

Beyond that, what google is looking for on the page is based on the machine learning's understanding of what a user will want. They do look for certain things like tables, images and videos. You'll often see a lot of similarities in page 1 results. Especially compared with page 2, which are usually lacking something the page 1's have.

If your page is structured wrong, it can really affect things. Sometimes they want to see some sort of form near the top, or a table of information, or they like a shorter page with less text, or they want more text.

Finally the thing they're looking for is topical entities on the page. You can't just plaster keywords on. You need to actually cover the topic. This means they're looking for all the entities within the paragraphs that are known to be related.

Ie, if I have a section

SEO Basics

there are certain things google will expect. You can generally guess them, and any decent writer is going to cover them if the text is good. But those things might need mentions of "headers", "keywords", "html", "content", "traffic". It's actually quite a broad entity. If you google "seo basics" and check some pages in the top 5 you'll see the kind of topics within it.

In the past you could have written about fish soup, and just included "seo basics", "learn seo", "seo fundamentals" in your text about fish soup, and you'd gain relevancy.

Now, it's much better at actually understanding context, so you can't just slap keywords in a paragraph of unrelated text. It can work out the topical entities of a text and very accurately classify a piece of text. Because it can easily classify a piece of text, it understands all the connections because of its knowledge graph, which is a graph database of all the entities in existence and how they connect.

It's actually quite an involved and complicated topic these days, and that's why a statement about keyword density, including related keywords just doesn't make sense. Google showing related keywords in bold in the SERPs doesn't mean it's ranking pages based on a combined keyword density :)




You see? Already you've got people now asking what the "correct" keyword density is for "X words". People will also naturally be attracted to these simplistic answers because it seems easier.
In one of my niches, websites on first page have articles that are also posted on thousands of different websites, 0% uniqueness, owners of those sites don’t care about entity stuff you’re talking about. They are focused only on link building. That’s why complicating these stuff isn’t good idea, google isn’t that smart, it tries to destroy SEO with randomness.
 
In one of my niches, websites on first page have articles that are also posted on thousands of different websites, 0% uniqueness, owners of those sites don’t care about entity stuff you’re talking about. They are focused only on link building. That’s why complicating these stuff isn’t good idea, google isn’t that smart, it tries to destroy SEO with randomness.


Do you really genuinely believe that SEO just has a random number generator inserted into their algorithm to produce randomness?

That is just the most ridiculous thing people say.

For goodness sake, they own DeepMind, which is one of the most advanced AI's in existence.

https://thenextweb.com/news/deepminds-new-agent57-ai-can-beat-humans-at-57-atari-games
And you believe, that Google, a company that has a market capitalization equal to Russia is "not that smart" because you saw, some competitor, in some niche, ranking for some keywords with duplicate content?

Google is not random.

Just because there exists some sites that rank for reasons you don't understand doesn't mean google is random.

This is akin to saying "I don't understand how or what the ocean is, so I will just say it's created and ruled by the sea god"

All niches are different. There is not some simple set of google ranking factors.

This is the problem. You have a theory about how google works, which is it's a simple set of rules like "keyword density under 3%" and then when you see evidence contrary to that, you rationalize it with "They add in randomness to combat SEO".

They don't give a crap about SEO. Their goal is, and has always been to just match the searcher with something they find useful.

Think about it..

If SEO was really a problem, do you not think they would target agencies that sell links?

What's stopping them coming on blackhatworld and buying all the services here just to flush out the sources of the links?

Heck, go to google and type in "buy pbns"

xf3x0aY


You can even advertise your pbns on google ads.

Yet, you think their whole entire core algorithm is based on randomness just to combat those pesky seos?

And it's maybe not a highly sophisticated machine learning system with the goal of understanding the user intent and matching with what the user wants, since that is going to keep people returning to google, which provides clicks for them to sell to advertisers to make money.

Here's another example that shows how ridiculous your statement about google being simple is

I googled "what's the tv series with the 2 brothers who sail to england and eventually take over paris"

That's quite hard even for a human to work out what the hell I'm asking

But yet

48kSAPx


Really? It knew I was talking about Vikings. Not only that, but it's highlighted the siege on Paris.

The word brother and Paris are highlighted. Do you think this was just the result of simple keyword densities?
 
Hello Sir, would you mind having a chat somewhere? Just got into Blogging and I have my mind a little foggy
Kindly have your questions here.

Hi Allen. Thanks for this.

My question is: Is there is any different SEO strategy for informative websites. Eg: Providing contact details of customer care of different brands/services. What's your opinion on this.

What's the best way of doing SEO for this?
With information sites, I will recommend content modeling for easy readability & increasing authority of website content. Please check out this example: https://dogtime.com/dog-breeds/german-sheprador

What is the appropriate keyword density for a 1500 word blog post? Placement? Thanks!
@splishsplash
Already explained very well at https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/ask-me-anything-about-wordpress-content-seo.1393684/#post-15112021


What is the top SEO plugin.
For content development, you should try https://surferseo.com/

WP Rocket is a good one for the assets optimization part.
 
Okay, what is the appropriate keyword density for a 800 word blog post? Is it the same? Thanks
Just measure some of the similar articles that are performing well in your niche. Put them through an online analysis tool if you want, and see what they all compare like.

That will give you a place where to start, and you will see they probably have quite a range. But they might even have a similar range, it will depend on the topic, and the authority of the sites.

When you get a bit long in the tooth, you start to not care so much about the exact percentage, but more about does the article cover the topic in such a way that is good for the reader, and relevant to the site and title, and of course keyword.

There are people with a lot of sites on this forum, that know a lot like @splishsplash you think we wouldn't all just change our keyword densities on all our sites to 3%, and rank top of google everywhere! lol

We can all dream eh? :D
 
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