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Article rewriters

Discussion in 'Associated Content & Writing Articles' started by RRamirez, Jul 19, 2009.

  1. RRamirez

    RRamirez Junior Member

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    Now i've spent the entire day using an article rewriter and i must say that is see huge potential in this type of program, especially for AC. Since in my opinion, even though there is only so long before content in a few areas become saturated TBH.

    Now using a spinner with the words alone (synonyms only) will always cause you to fail (IMHO) since i did a few spins etc and barely got above 40% even after manually chosing the correct synonyms to make the sentences not seem like they were not written properly
    LOL

    Whats worse is that it seems that OTHER PEOPLE spun the same articles, yielding EXACTLY what i had previously spun (LMFAO) after checking the articles using copyscape

    So i ask fellow people here, has anyone tried using a spinner, how was the experience? (tedious etc) and did you have any success on AC. To me to spin the articles into 10 articles in the beginning requires at LEAST 1+ hours worth of work and i could write 6 well constructed articles in that time easily.
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    Just like DNA, over time as the program becomes more customised, it gets more accurate and powerful etc and a lot easier.

    What are your views on article spinning?

    All those people frustrated with DNS, i had approximately 70% recognition rate in the beginning and now it is very high so stick with it and it oculd pay off big in the long run.
     
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  2. redtide1969

    redtide1969 BANNED BANNED Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    You're doomed to low upfront payment offers using spinners. unless you spend ALOT of time editing and fixing the spun results in which case it isn't worth the time spent. There's much easier ways of getting original content rewritten.
     
  3. RRamirez

    RRamirez Junior Member

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    yea but i am thinking to spend 1 hr changing around sentence structures etc
    especially if the program is intuitive and can remember them

    because there are certain phrases that can be switched up etc
    and i think the key is to switch the sentences AND the words

    then now you would get 10+ QUALITY articles with continually decreasing time spent to rewrite them, even 5 quality articles would give a substancial return.

    also i have never copied an article from anywhere without a reword JIC AC decides to make an "example" out of me when the real writers and publishers start to upload their archives and database unto the internet and they see their own stuff flagged as duplicate content and decide to contact AC.
     
  4. srb888

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    Unable to understand your writing style. You're worse than an "Indian writer", I suppose. :D Now... cool down before you write anymore degrading words about others. We call this mentality: "sh--ting in the plate from which you eat"... Incidentally, this statement can also mean two things... LOL
     
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  5. RRamirez

    RRamirez Junior Member

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    oh no, Forgive me!!
    it wasn't racial in any way
    :p
    not sure if it came off that way from what i wrote
    i hope that you're just "taking the piss"

    its just SOME of that the writers i have are indian and english is not their first language
    no racial undertones whatsoever, its the truth
    though i have been told that i am a little blunt......

    i could easily have said some of my jamaican writers, if they were not too lazy to write the damn articles. All my friends would rather party and chillax, but they are rich so........

    doesn't matter the nationality, if someone has poor english skills i will tell them in the form of constructive criticism to help them improve not out of any bias
     
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    redtide1969 BANNED BANNED Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I'm staying out of this one ;)
     
  7. srb888

    srb888 Elite Member

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    Forgiven! :)

    I just wanted to let you know that it hurts. My one statement got you hurt personally, so just think how much it hurts when you call a nation (OK, you called SOME of them) backward. It's part of the business, you either take what is given or leave it. Keep it personal, that's all!

    Co-exist! If you find some of them are not worth, break off and move on. Those people too have a family and are trying to make a living... but if they cannot give quality, like everyone else, they too will have to look for other better things. Please don't bring in the word "Indian" to identify those "some". The word means much greater sentiments for the Indians, who are doing far greater things and will do their part when they are required to do it.

    Let's move on, buddy!... I was indeed sorry when I wrote the other post, but was impelled to write it.
     
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  8. RRamirez

    RRamirez Junior Member

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    I thank you for pointing it out actually as i realized it may have a different connotation than what i had originally intended. As someone who has suffered through bigotry and ignorance,I can understand where you are coming from.
    :)
    Constructive criticism is GOOD and i am here to learn

    i am still trying out the spinner and all i have sofar are 1,000 articles that will not pass copyscape and a headache.
    should i persist or call it a failed project
    the potential is immense though don't you think?
     
  9. srb888

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    Spinner softwares are never solutions, they only make things difficult. Synonyms most often will destroy the meaning of the sentence. Human editors will obviously know that the sentence is spun. If they just put the sentence in Google (without surrounding quotes), then the original sentence will pop out instantly. Digging them further will bring out the original. Try that for yourself.

    The best is to stick to one simple format. Most of the readers want a story from an expert, so make a few of those templates and stick to them. Use some of the great AC articles to make your rough template.

    Learn what's selling and then ask the re-writers to produce uniques on those guidelines. Give them a structure -- a skeleton and ask them to make a story out of it. Sorry, now I don't think anyone has those earlier shortcuts, even on AC.

    See, you are failing to produce intelligent material using the spinners. I admit that I failed too. There are others who are ditching their spinners. The moral of the story is to find other ways.

    Salvage what you can out of those 1000 articles. If you can produce 300 good ones, you have a salvaged your money. If you can salvage another 100, you make a profit of 300+, and so on...

    The best would be to train your re-writers. Give them a few articles that you like (a few different varieties) and ask them to produce unique content on those abstracts. If possible, create groups for at least 2 to 3 different niches, and get those groups to write on the abstracts provided to them. Within a few days, you will get expert writers.

    To train them, obviously you must know what you want. If you just ask them to write some thing from a set of keywords, you will still only get scrap. So, analyze the selected sample articles, know what's clicking for them, form a template or a guideline, then give the material to your partners and ask them to produce some on those guidelines.

    Cut into your profits and give them a bonus if they are up to it or exceed your expectations... Just think out of the box and you'll create a great business.

    Again, IMHO, spinners are not solutions. They only waste time. Invest where you can really grow. Think long-term. Maybe, by that time, a great spinner software will arise! :)

    P.S.: I do admire Jamaicans... There is one person who is one of my idols: Mr. M.A. Holding. Do you recognize that name? :)
     
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    c0ntenth|ef Power Member

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    to spin an article effectively is not enough with just using Synonyms otherwise it would be to easy the sentence structures have to be changed too, just with changing Synonyms it would never be more different than 40-50% which would fail copyscape.
     
  11. Jared255

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    Go to DP and make a post hiring rewriters. You will get tons. Not all of them will be the best, but I have found one or two good ones.
     
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    To me, I find it much easier to write original articles than spinning. It's quite easy to to read about three articles, extract vital information and create a unique article in no time.
     
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    article spinning is a waste of time in this situation. That's the reality.
     
  14. gotstano

    gotstano Registered Member

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    This thread seems to be leaning more against spinning. I still have questions on the subject if I may.
    I have Power Article Re-writer and Article Post Robot. I am looking to spin a 700 word article that I wrote myself. I re-wrote entire paragraphs as well as just nested synonyms.

    What is the percentage of original content that I must maintain to keep my articles backlinks active in Google?

    Also, is there a problem I will encounter by just submitting to less monitored article platforms, rather than submitting my spun articles to Ezine grade sites?

    Are there any success stories anyone is willing to share (or have) from spinning articles?

    Any guidelines (Like only spin an article *Fill in the blank* times to succeed)

    I am not looking to hijack the thread here. I believe this is consistent with the OP's topic.

    Thanks.
     
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  15. redtide1969

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    Hi gotstano.

    For backlinks I heard you want to keep them at least 60% unique. Maybe someone else can pipe in if this number has changed recently.

    You'll definitely have an easier time getting them accepted in the lower ranking directories but it kind of depends on each directories indivigual guidelines. If the spun articles are good enough and have been edited well, I don't see a reason why they won't be accepted. Many of the directories have pretty lax submission guidelines.

    As far as success stories go, the only time I use spun articles is for the lower ranking directories for promoting CPA offers. Again, as far as how many times to spin them it's just a matter of testing with each diretory to see what works. How successful they are isn't so much a matter of how many times they've been spun, but how readable they are.

    I would just do some testing and take notes of how certain articles do at certain directories...then you'll know in the future what works and what you can and can't get away with.

    Good luck
     
  16. gotstano

    gotstano Registered Member

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    Thanks Redtide1969,

    Yes, I am in the initial testing phases with these tools and look forward to sorting it all out. Others with knowledge, please chime in...