Are they all scammers?

Hey,

I have been running both WH and BH ads for quite some time now, I have a lot of knowledge about cloaking and I have never gotten any kind of legit ads account banned.

I have seen people on skype groups and also here on BHW selling what they claim is working adw, bing and FB ads accounts with x threshold + coupons. I was thinking that my ROI would be amazing if I could pay $25-50 for an account, spend the $XXX and burn the account so I decided to try a few accs.

First thing I noticed is that NO seller is offering refunds, you always buy at your own risk. They say its because they don't know if the buyer knows what his doing with the accounts. Okay, fair enough lets try some accounts...

I have tested lots of accounts from different providers now, and the same thing happened to all of them. They all got banned for suspicious payment activities/VCC problems after the ad was approved. Even the most white hat ads you can thing of = ban.

And yes, most of the accounts I tested had impressions.

So my question back to my question, is this all a big scam? Have anyone ever gotten a working account?

I have a feeling those sellers are creating accounts with a real CC, run an ad to get some impressions, remove the CC and add a shit VCC, then sell the account. My reasoning for this is that I have tried creating accounts myself with VCC's and the exact same problem occurs, ad approved and account suspended.

There will always be people willing to test this to save some money, so its the perfect scam business. No refunds and blame the buyer, let them try a few more accounts and they are gone. Next day, new customer.

If you bought services on BHW, used them properly, and still ended up banned, why are you not leaving negative reviews on their service threads so others don't make the same mistake? If you're not helping give honest reviews of these services, you are nothing more than part of the problem.

Sherbert Hoover said:

If you bought services on BHW, used them properly, and still ended up banned, why are you not leaving negative reviews on their service threads so others don't make the same mistake? If you're not helping give honest reviews of these services, you are nothing more than part of the problem.

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This reply is not really contributing to this thread at all, you left no answer regarding my question. But to answer your question, I don't know if the seller I used from BHW has a sales page but it's VIP members that seem trustworthy. Also, how about sellers from different skype groups? I'm trying to find out if this is all a scam or not with this thread. I don't see how I am a part of the problem.

Shibbi90 said:

This reply is not really contributing to this thread at all, you left no answer regarding my question. But to answer your question, I don't know if the seller I used from BHW has a sales page but it's VIP members that seem trustworthy. Also, how about sellers from different skype groups? I'm trying to find out if this is all a scam or not with this thread. I don't see how I am a part of the problem.

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This should be one of the lessons that everyone on this site heeds. Blue names mean nothing on BHW. Jr. VIP titles mean nothing on BHW. Contrary to what the acronym might say, Jr. VIP's are not "very important people". They are people who have made 100 posts, been on the forum a set minimum amount of time, and paid $97 plus any applicable taxes to get their color changed and bolded, signatures enabled, and have access to the Jr. VIP section of the forum, as well as the possibility to create a sales thread if applicable.

You asked if they were "all scammers" in your thread title. Most likely not. But you need to realize that you are literally performing transactions on a blackhat forum, with people who have no sales thread, who you have never met, and the material being exchanged for money is literally an account that is against advertiser TOS, used for means that can and should lead to an account being banned.

If you can't see the inherent risk here, you need to go back and read what you wrote. Regarding this being the "perfect scam business", the same can be said for a lot of Marketplace options, both here and elsewhere on IM forums.

• Most of the SEO packages here and elsewhere are repackaged and outsourced from other suppliers at a markup, and then pocket the remainder. I've had experiences where multiple sellers ended up giving me the exact same layout "report", showing that they both outsourced to the same provider.
• Most of the content writing services here and elsewhere are also outsourced to lower budget individuals or VA's under the guise of a "team", and then pocket the remainder.
• Most of the "editorial post" options on here and elsewhere take your money, flip it to a lower priced person on sites like Fiverr or PPH, and pay them with the same parameters you gave the seller, and then pocket the remainder.
• Most of the PBN posts are on networks that can't even really be considered "private" any more. It's another example of a "perfect scam business", as sellers can refuse to reveal links in reports, and often do, in order to protect their network.
• A lot of the bots for sale on here are the same Code Canyon bots that are skinned to look like something different, with sales copy that pushes its uniqueness.

Sure, there are checks and balances that can be run, but do your own due diligence, and know that sometimes even the most in-depth research can end in you getting burned in the long run. Does that "contribute to your thread" enough?

Sherbert Hoover said:

This should be one of the lessons that everyone on this site heeds. Blue names mean nothing on BHW. Jr. VIP titles mean nothing on BHW. Contrary to what the acronym might say, Jr. VIP's are not "very important people". They are people who have made 100 posts, been on the forum a set minimum amount of time, and paid $97 plus any applicable taxes to get their color changed and bolded, signatures enabled, and have access to the Jr. VIP section of the forum, as well as the possibility to create a sales thread if applicable.

You asked if they were "all scammers" in your thread title. Most likely not. But you need to realize that you are literally performing transactions on a blackhat forum, with people who have no sales thread, who you have never met, and the material being exchanged for money is literally an account that is against advertiser TOS, used for means that can and should lead to an account being banned.

If you can't see the inherent risk here, you need to go back and read what you wrote. Regarding this being the "perfect scam business", the same can be said for a lot of Marketplace options, both here and elsewhere on IM forums.

• Most of the SEO packages here and elsewhere are repackaged and outsourced from other suppliers at a markup, and then pocket the remainder. I've had experiences where multiple sellers ended up giving me the exact same layout "report", showing that they both outsourced to the same provider.
• Most of the content writing services here and elsewhere are also outsourced to lower budget individuals or VA's under the guise of a "team", and then pocket the remainder.
• Most of the "editorial post" options on here and elsewhere take your money, flip it to a lower priced person on sites like Fiverr or PPH, and pay them with the same parameters you gave the seller, and then pocket the remainder.
• Most of the PBN posts are on networks that can't even really be considered "private" any more. It's another example of a "perfect scam business", as sellers can refuse to reveal links in reports, and often do, in order to protect their network.
• A lot of the bots for sale on here are the same Code Canyon bots that are skinned to look like something different, with sales copy that pushes its uniqueness.

Sure, there are checks and balances that can be run, but do your own due diligence, and know that sometimes even the most in-depth research can end in you getting burned in the long run. Does that "contribute to your thread" enough?

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I am well aware of the risk of buying pretty much any kind of service. I try to do my due diligence as well as I can, and one of the things I do is to check the accs before I buy. But if I'm right regarding sellers changing cc/vcc before selling it won't really do much since everything will look just fine. The reason I ask if its all a scam is to get an answer if it's really possible to find a legit seller or not. It's a IM forum and I hope some people are still here to help, not just troll and talk shit.

It's a shame that the marketplace has turned into such a shit show, I was not aware of that. Seems like most people are not aware of it either, since you will find mostly positive reviews of the services here. I don't blame the BHW admins, but I wish they had a higher standard of what is allowed.

Yes, I appreciate this answer a lot more than the previous one. Thanks

I am still looking for anyone who can confirm they have a legit seller. I don't expect anyone to share their sources, I just want to know if its all a scam or not.

Shibbi90 said:

I am well aware of the risk of buying pretty much any kind of service. I try to do my due diligence as well as I can, and one of the things I do is to check the accs before I buy. But if I'm right regarding sellers changing cc/vcc before selling it won't really do much since everything will look just fine. The reason I ask if its all a scam is to get an answer if it's really possible to find a legit seller or not. It's a IM forum and I hope some people are still here to help, not just troll and talk shit.

It's a shame that the marketplace has turned into such a shit show, I was not aware of that. Seems like most people are not aware of it either, since you will find mostly positive reviews of the services here. I don't blame the BHW admins, but I wish they had a higher standard of what is allowed.

Yes, I appreciate this answer a lot more than the previous one. Thanks

I am still looking for anyone who can confirm they have a legit seller. I don't expect anyone to share their sources, I just want to know if its all a scam or not.

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I completely agree, and I apologize if I came across very aggressively in my replies.

The allowable standards for BHW's marketplace are pretty rigorous as-is. Payment-wise, the barrier to entry is far lower than alternative forums, which I think is one of the main draws to BHW's marketplace compared to other sites. But there is definitely a lot that goes into the process to approve a BST, between sales copy and providing the highest level of applicable service to BST moderators and admins for review. Hence the massive backlog that is currently plaguing them.

The marketplace here is just like a grocery store at home. There are aisles for each type of product, and there may be 18 brands of peanut butter, but if you look at the ingredients, there are really only four different varieties, and odds are high that some of them come from the same distributor.

In the end, BHW is a business, and if someone wants to pay $30 to advertise a service that is a carbon copy of another service, turning them down would be a bad business move for the bottom line. But the mods and admins are doing a fantastic job for the cards they are currently dealt.

Back to your original question though... I have no clue. All I have done in that respect is assist in exposing the ebaystealthman bullshit review inflation and post bumping that was going on. Outside of that, I suck ass. I'll bow out now, get off my soapbox, and stop mucking your thread up.

Feel free to tell us who you bought the account from, though. I don't think it's against any forum rules.

just look at the reviews before you buy, stay away from new services, use what is recommended by other people and you'r good to go.