Apparently bad grammar doesn't impact rankings

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I don't post my own threads on here as much as I should, but something I read this morning on my phone piqued my interest. John Mueller over at Google has went on the record saying that as part of their algo, bad grammar won't result in a site being kicked down in the SERPs. This is something similar to what Cutts had rambled on about a while ago. For those interested, the information can be found here https://www.seroundtable.com/google-grammar-seo-24571.html

This isn't something revelutionary, just like we all know that buying rubbish links and keyword stuffing will get you slapped big time.
However, I don't truly agree that poor grammar will not impact your position in Google. Whilst Google might say that it's not part of the algo, it in a way is.

Supposing you're building a nice site but you're lacking a bit when it comes to writing content. There's plenty of services here on BHW that you can choose from that all have varying price points. Supposing you go to the cheaper end of the spectrum and you get, well, shit basically. Everything should be fine since Google doesn't care about spelling or grammar, right?

Wrong. Whilst they're saying that they won't slap you with a penalty in the same way they would with spammy links, having poorly written content can be just as detrimental to your site.
As an example let's look at this before and after example from
@Sherbert Hoover
BEFORE

The projects of construction and renovation require some modern tools that can help in completing the nailing jobs easily. This Porter-Cable framing nailer is known for its superior functionality, ergonomic design and high-quality material. Whether the task is of hanging a photo frame or building a new deck, this nailer drives the nail deeply without even using a hammer. Isn’t that great?

AFTER

Construction and renovation projects require toolbelts full of high-powered machinery to complete in an effective manner. Older hand tools have long since been replaced with faster, more robust alternatives. The hammer is no exception. Enter the Porter Cable framing nailer, known for superior functionality, high-quality composition, and ergonomic design. Whether hanging a photo frame or building a deck, this framing nailer will get the job done harder, better, faster, and stronger than the old-school alternative.

This was in response to someone on here that had purchased a mediocre content package.
If I stumbled across a site that had content akin to the 'Before' then I'd jump back out of it pretty quickly and I'm sure that I wouldn't be the only one doing it. This in turn is going to bump up your bounce rate which has is correlated to how well a site ranks. Whilst you might have the best links you can get, if the bounce rate is utter trash thanks to the content then you're throwing money away.

Not only is it potential sales that you're loosing, but you're also wasting the links that you've bought or are renting. You're putting a wall in front of the links that are stopping them from hitting their potential. Granted the grammar isn't the only type of on site work you need to be concerned with (site speed is also an issue), but it makes sense to get this nailed down as soon as possible.

Which brings me to the next part; don't buy shit from the Marketplace. There are a lot of great content writers on here but there's also a lot of terrible services. The problem is a lot of these poor services will have umpteen pages of great reviews because they're so cheap. If you're wondering how you can work out which cheap services are terrible, look at the original post from the OP. If it's littered with mistakes then steer clear of that service.

Think of it this way; if you're promoting a service based on content creation and the introduction is severely off then how can you carry out a quality service? The long and the short of it is that you can't. Similarly you should take a look at how the sellers respond to buyers in terms of spelling and grammar. Again, this should be perfect and not something sloppily put together.

In all honesty you're better off keeping your money rather than throwing it away on a pointless service. You'd be better off writing the content yourself and perfecting it until you're happy to upload it, or save the money and spend it on high quality content.
 
I haven't tried it yet but I heard that Grammarly can do some checks on your grammar to point out mistakes. So, could that be the upper bar as far as SEO is concerned when it comes to grammar? I'm a bit confused as to what you think is going on with google and the quality of someone's grammar when writing articles. The funny thing is, even some of the infographs by people selling lists have glaringly obvious grammar mistakes so I'm pretty sure the articles have those as well. But googlebot isn't a grammar nazi, or is it?
 
I haven't tried it yet but I heard that Grammarly can do some checks on your grammar to point out mistakes. So, could that be the upper bar as far as SEO is concerned when it comes to grammar? I'm a bit confused as to what you think is going on with google and the quality of someone's grammar when writing articles. The funny thing is, even some of the infographs by people selling lists have glaringly obvious grammar mistakes so I'm pretty sure the articles have those as well. But googlebot isn't a grammar nazi, or is it?
They've said that they don't factor it into their algo. But if it reads like shite then people won't read it and they'll leave your site quickly which does have a ranking impact.
 
Just like they can detect what the content is on the site, they can see how long someone has been on it. I'm guessing through GA.
 
Many people rank great with mildly spun, poor content, but in the end the user will have a bad experience if the content is crap and it might not convert as you d expect so bad grammar is a loss in the end:)
 
Many people rank great with mildly spun, poor content, but in the end the user will have a bad experience if the content is crap and it might not convert as you d expect so bad grammar is a loss in the end:)


My experince was different when i was building my poor thing,, immediatly i hitted 40 keywords one of them was my strongest "Buy instagram Likes" position 8/9 after adding spun content i lost all of them and my domain stopped getting any keyword ranking,, so you do get penlized on that i guess!

After changing everything to unique content with 0% plagarism i got over 200 keywords indexed and some are decently ranked for the first month!
 
Thank you for this post! I appreciate it a lot since it helps!
 
Don't forget to take average time on page into account as well when you're judging how good or bad a piece of content is. Bounce rate alone isn't a good indicator.

Your content may have a near 90% bounce rate, but if the time on the site is high, that means people are sticking around to read it and are merely bouncing off the site because they've found the information they were looking for.

If on the otherhand your 2k word article has a 90% bounce rate and the average time on page is 3 seconds... Well you have a problem.
 
Don't forget to take average time on page into account as well when you're judging how good or bad a piece of content is. Bounce rate alone isn't a good indicator.

Your content may have a near 90% bounce rate, but if the time on the site is high, that means people are sticking around to read it and are merely bouncing off the site because they've found the information they were looking for.

If on the otherhand your 2k word article has a 90% bounce rate and the average time on page is 3 seconds... Well you have a problem.
You're right! I had mentioned about people leaving quickly, but should have laid it out the way you just described.
 
"The problem is a lot of these poor services will have umpteen pages of great reviews because they're so cheap"

Absolutely spot on! It's classic social truth (See the classic psychology book "Influence") - they all like it so it *must* be good....then people accept mediocre shit.
 
Focusing on good content is key.The purpose of ranking content on Google is to make money.Websites need money to be maintained.
 
"The problem is a lot of these poor services will have umpteen pages of great reviews because they're so cheap"

Absolutely spot on! It's classic social truth (See the classic psychology book "Influence") - they all like it so it *must* be good....then people accept mediocre shit.
Pretty much! It's like petrol you get at supermarkets compared to petrol you get at BP. Sure the car will run on the supermarket piss water, but a lot of cars (mines included) struggle to run on it. I don't put that junk into my car, and I don't put crap on my sites.
 
I am dylistic and I can not spell and grammar is very important a lot of my website have not got top of Google because of spelling mistakes .

in my opinion spelling does matter in the seo world .

but if it a hit and run situation then no spelling means nothink or spun content.

but i will admit pro written article do get you very heigh in serps vs bad spelling ...

but must also remember miss spelt words also count on seo if your looking for more traffic.

there thousands of miss spelt high indexed pages and websites in Google that get thousands of hits ....

all good seo marketers no this ......

many different version of a website is the best solution to get full exposeer

not many seo marketers will tell you that ...
 
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I'll echo what TheSerpSlaver said. Grammarly is a great tool. It's expensive but there are some new user discounts. If you're doing reviews, and you want people to read beyond the first sentence and down to the sales links, then the readable content is a must.
 
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