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Anyone whose real PBN deindexed?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by frankstan, Sep 27, 2014.

  1. frankstan

    frankstan Regular Member

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    Seems the latest Google update killed a lot of Public Blog Network, but when I read the first three page of BHW I didn't find any thread about "My Real PBN got hit". So is there anyone here whose personal PBN got hit? And can you tell me what do you suspect is exposing your personal PBN to Google?
    Try to make PBN like real site is expensive, it means you need a lot of content,but no body knows how many articles can not be called "thin content website"
     
  2. Asif WILSON Khan

    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Premium Member

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    Real PBN's are expensive.
    People had been sold too much BS on what a PBN is.

    Nobody with a real PBN was touched AFAIK
     
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    i have been using some low qualities pbn service that available from this forum and do not own any. i noticed some of my keywords has been deindexed and check for the backlinks there's quite number of pbn hosting acount has been suspended. the problem is the seller usually will not tell you that even if you asked them.
     
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    jon_xx_x Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    "Real" PBNs can't be hit because they don't look like a PBN.
     
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    You can't scale selling links on a Link Network without creating a footprint.

    So they either stay small and survive, or get greedy and lose out.

    Think about this next time you're buying network links.
     
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    Exactly this, people get surprised when they buy a service and get screwed.

    If you are buying links from a PBN that's advertised heavily don't be surprised.
     
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    When looking at the majority of the industry as a whole, you're right. But I wouldn't rule out all providers. There are many ways to pull this off, and many people do, but the lazy/cheap routines will never sustain a quality service. It's hard for some people to grasp this reality as the SEO world continues to evolve.

    You can scale, but majority of the providers won't because it drives up costs and TAT. But the problem does not only occur with most providers, it's majority of the buyers who are at fault as well. Some people expect the impossible - a high quality service at a cheap rate. They are the same ones expecting a refund when the first animal update rolls out. I think it's time to raise the bar in the BHW marketplace.

    The providers who invest the time and money it takes to launch a professional service, will do what it takes to provide consistent long lasting results for their clients. They're in it for the long-haul, utilizing industry best tactics, instead of the newest exploit or fad of the month. They're not in it for the quick grab and snatch routine where the client looking for the cheap is left out to dry after the next update.
     
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    Agreed. But are providers willing to raise the game and provide real services?
    At the moment BHW is turning into a noobs forum and few noobs can afford $300-$500 p/m on SEO
    Everybody else is more cautious, because there has been a lack of professionalism and expertise in The Marketplace.
    Obviously, not everybody is like this and most sellers do provide a good/OK service but I would like to see more exceptional services that don't require a 2ft image crammed with BS.
     
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    Very true. I doubt though that they will change as long as people keep buying from them
     
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    Agreed. I couldn't have said it better myself.

    The sales graphics add a nice touch in my opinion, GRANTED they're not filled with complete BS as you've stated.
     
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    Time to test blog networks has finally come let the real survive !
     
  12. Nick Flame

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    I haven't lost any domain on my real PBN, no deindex, no thin content penalty no nothing.

    I suspect - despite what they claim and want you to believe - that the PBNs that got hit had a footprint in them.

    Most of them were actually public - selling to other people - or semi public - even if not selling to other people, just linking to their own SEO clients / friends, the results is the same: too many links from the PBN, towards too many different sites, in too many different niches, looking too unnatural, almost like a public PBN.

    After all, Build my Rank also claimed they are "private" - they did not disclose their websites - but after that fiasco - where i got hit - i learned the lesson: If you are buying from someone else, it's not a REAL PBN. Sooner or later, they always get greedy, sell too many posts, sell too many links, or leave a footprint and google finds them.
     
  13. frankstan

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    public blog network is dangerous because of high OBL
     
  14. frankstan

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    agree, high OBL is dangerous
     
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    Biggest footprint - having more than 25% of pbn linking to same sites. It's a footprint if 20 sites link 20 times each to exact same sites.
     
  16. frankstan

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    thanks, I remember you said your PBN use same hosting? I agreed with this "in too many different niches"
    because I see many Niche PBN on Fiverr have survived for more than 4 years even they are public.
     
  17. allaboutdomains

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    Your safest option is to build your own pbn. Start off small and grow over time. You have full control this way. I have friends who are part of large pbn's with others who are getting out and building their own now.
     
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    Exactly. We have a few PBN's and none got touched.
     
  19. TheLinksLab

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    This is news to me, I'm still here... :)

    Been some good advice on here already: low outbound links, no spun articles, not linking to exactly the same sites (add some general filler articles to mask the obl pattern).

    Running a good PBN isn't cheap, but it's the results that matter.
     
  20. ilim72

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    Agree, problem is that lots of pbn sells packages that covers pretty much whole network or big part of it. So outbound links from them will be to the same sites or big percentage of them.
    In real life it would be difficult to find sites that has reference to the same say 20 domains but in PBN that is exactly what happens.

    And google don't need to identify whole network they will de-index them in batches gradually as they discover them.

    Seems only solution if one creates his own network is to promote his own sites one or two, not many and ideally they should be in relevant niche. Also pages should have links to different authority sites to make it more difficult to identify the pattern.