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Anyone who uses 301 for client SEO

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by beezee, Dec 1, 2010.

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How long does it take for your 301 to bring your clients site to where yours was?

  1. Less than a month

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  2. 1-3 months

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  3. 3-6 months

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  4. More than 6 months

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  5. Doesn't always work

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  1. beezee

    beezee Junior Member

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    I've seen a few conflicting stories just on the forum, and going elsewhere it gets even fuzzier.

    Can we get a general consensus? How consistently has this worked for you, and how quickly?

    What can I expect if I transfer pre-ranked sites to a client with a 301?
     
  2. beezee

    beezee Junior Member

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    Bump.

    I know SOMEONE around here has some insight on this.
     
  3. bobbys

    bobbys Regular Member

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    I'd be interested in hearing some feedback on this as well..
     
  4. JesusBack

    JesusBack Executive VIP Premium Member

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    According to Google Webmaster, 301 redirects should carry the same weight as linking the page normally. To me it's seemed to lose like 30% of it's weight though.
     
  5. beezee

    beezee Junior Member

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    Thanks JesusBack - can you elaborate a little on the "weight losst" :)
     
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    JesusBack Executive VIP Premium Member

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    it seems that a direct link would be a bit stronger than a 301 reidrect for example a bit.ly link.
     
  7. beezee

    beezee Junior Member

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    Is that coming from a 301 with no backlinks to it?

    I'm talking about taking a page that is ranked #1 for a keyword, then redirecting it to a clients site that is relevant to that keyword.

    All the linking I've done to come up #1 should count towards the value of the redirect, shouldn't it?

    Anybody else with experience using this technique please feel free to chime in.
     
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    gshfgshf Newbie

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    From what I can tell it passes through maybe 70-80% of the juice. Sometimes it takes a lot longer to pass the juice through also.

    I would not rely on it solely
     
  9. beezee

    beezee Junior Member

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    Thanks gshf.

    To you and JesusBack, care to share your experiences with this? I'm looking for something concrete that we can refer to, as opposed to throwing percentages and theories around.

    To anyone else on the boards, if you have experience using this, please share it here. It'd be great to have an actual account of what results people have seen using 301s to prerank for clients or even to move our own sites.

    Something like: ranking position of old site, beginning/ending position of new site/jump in serps for new site, time taken before jump/climb began/settled.

    Responses much appreciated, thanks and rep given for the info above- especially if you've got more than one account of this.
     
  10. ``Yousef

    ``Yousef Power Member

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    Just out of curiosity, doesn't this realm pretty much play entirely on theorem, speculation and a little bit of numeric data. I've never known concrete to really exist in SEO, as wherever you go you'll find different ideas about the most important aspects of it ranging from the usefulness of meta tags, to keyword density and the million other variables.

    Isn't it really all theory until a reliant source, search engines in this case, actually reveal their algorithms?
     
  11. haverox

    haverox Regular Member

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    you should add the option 'less than a week' as thats my experience

    there are a lot of other factors going into this equation but the main factor in this suceeding or not is whether the site recieving the 301 has proper on site seo, without that there is no point
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    surftrish Registered Member

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    yes, and you're assuming all other things being equal. every scenario is actually going to play out differently. sure that's not the answer you were looking for. generally that way it is when you are trying to judge something like this though.
     
  13. beezee

    beezee Junior Member

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    Thanks haverox- good to hear!

    Guys let's not debate what you can and can't say in SEO, I think most of us know the nature of the industry by now.

    What I am asking for is actual experience because that is actually valuable. Please open a new thread if you want to discuss principles or philosophy.

    Anyone else been using this consistently? If you've used a 301 redirect to move a ranked site or optimize a clients site please share your experience here. Thanks and rep given.
     
  14. JesusBack

    JesusBack Executive VIP Premium Member

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    From actual experience all we can give you is speculation is what he was trying to say. There's nothing "solid" ever in SEO. As for my experience in SEO weight and rankings do get transferred over but not 100% as we might hope.
     
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    What I would is rather than do the 301, why not lease/rent the site to the person? Its good money and you still get to keep the site after contract is over. Then repeat process
     
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    Real world example from the past two weeks...

    I built a 301 subdomain and pointed it to the client site for 'XXX Luxury Auto Dealers'. No competition keyword and it ranked in 10 days to #5. He was impressed and we closed the sale.

    That day I moved the 301 to a totally different site for him that wasn't ranking for it. 6 days later site #2 shows up at #5, BUT site #1 is at #6. It's been this way for about 10 days now - both sites are on page 1 for the same term.

    Here is what I believe is happening:
    - All of my links go to my 301
    - 301 points to site #1. The majority of my links are crawled, site #1 ranks
    - 301 moves to site #2.
    - Links on 301 are recrawled over time.
    - Over time the links from site #1 transfer to site #2 as they are crawled and G realizes they point to a different site.

    This would be easy enough to test if I forced all of my 301 links to be recrawled. Next time I'll try that. For those keeping score, I ranked it with 2 UAW articles at a rate of 100/day (500 total each) on a PR2 site.

    Pretty sweet, eh?
     
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    partymarty4870 Elite Member

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    OK another real world example. I was having space issues with a white hat site of mine for a bricks and morter business.

    After digging and not finding the offending large file I just put the main page up as a sub page on another site of mine, and did a 301 to that page.

    The original page was #1 and has been for years for searches on it's business name , which is pretty much the only way anyone ever searches.

    Within a week my other site had taken #1 with the other page down to 400ish. I only did this for about 3 days until I had time to clean up old files but it's been 2 weeks now and the page 301'd to still is #1 and the original page is still nowhere to be seen.

    So it took less than a week to transfer enough linkjuice to claim #1 and 2 weeks after and counting to get back to normal.

    I liked the result and will be using it again.
     
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  18. JuliaG1

    JuliaG1 Regular Member

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    I like the idea of the 301 redirect never done one before. Would anyone mind sharing the php code to use?
     
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    ``Yousef Power Member

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    JuliaG1, 301 redirects are activated through .htaccess, not a PHP page. Google is your friend :).
     
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