Anyone using YPN?

AffGuy08 · Dec 13, 2008

Hi guys, this is whitehat but need your ideas and opinion on this.

I am planning to get 90% of my CPA offers on Yahoo search marketing or also known as YPN. I tried it before with one offer and I got the $100 credit free with the deposit of $30. So total I had $130 and then I just tried it out for an offer in CB. I got a conversion in 35 clicks and I only bid $0.75 for each click. For me it's a success, although 35 clicks costed me around $25 and the offer paid me $28...well that is a simple $3 profit but not really so, I got the $100 free credit that we need to count in also.

So my plan is to get a few YPN accounts with $100 free credit and set off my CPA offers, it's whitehat and will be auto-pilot stuff. What are the chances of me losing my investment? I would like to invest around $500 - $600 in it.

I calculated with 2% conversion, I can have a profit of $550...something like that..is 2% too much or too low?

Need your opinion, please help.

damik · Dec 13, 2008

i would do some more testing. 35 clicks isn't a lot. use that free $100, learn the YPN system, get more clicks and see what conversions you get. if after say 350 clicks or better still 1000 clicks you are profitable then ramp out.

as long as you are "plus" that's good. obviously you can tweak it higher, but by doing so you can also go lower.

regarding conversion rates, i don't think there's a "number". it's really whatever makes you a profit. a 2% conversions for zips is horrendous, but that same 2% for volkswagons might be huge!

AffGuy08 · Dec 13, 2008

damik said:
i would do some more testing. 35 clicks isn't a lot. use that free $100, learn the YPN system, get more clicks and see what conversions you get. if after say 350 clicks or better still 1000 clicks you are profitable then ramp out.

as long as you are "plus" that's good. obviously you can tweak it higher, but by doing so you can also go lower.

regarding conversion rates, i don't think there's a "number". it's really whatever makes you a profit. a 2% conversions for zips is horrendous, but that same 2% for volkswagons might be huge!

Thanks for the info damik, really glad you clearing it out. The problem I am facing now is that I need to make money as soon as possible. There is about 19 days left for me to make some good $$ from CPA, in this case I am using Copeac. I need to at least make some cash by Jan09 because my sister is getting married on Feb and need the cash to buy a few things.

peter1988 · Dec 13, 2008

affguy, so you confirm you using YPN ?? first time i saw a member using YPN to do marketing on CPA offers...wish you goodluck then..

Please....post us your future results! Thanks

damik · Dec 13, 2008

well, that's going to be tough to do given your time frame which won't allow for much testing and the fact we are in the holiday season which tends to skew sales.

what i would do is pick an offer on copeac. don't pick the ultra-hot, ultra-competitive like acai, ringtones or colon crap. type it into yahoo, examine the right hand sponsor links and see how much competition there is. if it's just a few that's good but if the column is filled with ads pushing the exact same offer then stay away. you want an offer that's unique to the page or at least has little competition.

next, gather some keywords on the offer from a KW tool. i like keyworddiscovery.com, but get your fav and build a list. it doesn't have to be huge, a few 100 will do.

then, for the ads type the offer into google. look at the sponsor ads and rewrite them for YPN. for each adgroup in YPN i like to have five ads at least. just my preference.

from there put your campaign together, making sure have a domain name already and that you are direct linking from the ad directly to the merchant page.

bid high so your ad gets in the top 4 spots. if you can get no. 1 go for it.

give it a few hundred clicks and see what happens. if it's profitable you can expand out, maybe build a lander, etc. if not you can move on to a new offer...wash, rinse, repeat....

it's hit/miss. prolly more miss using this method but you might get lucky and hit a profitable niche. testing is the key...

AffGuy08 · Dec 13, 2008

damik said:
well, that's going to be tough to do given your time frame which won't allow for much testing and the fact we are in the holiday season which tends to skew sales.

what i would do is pick an offer on copeac. don't pick the ultra-hot, ultra-competitive like acai, ringtones or colon crap. type it into yahoo, examine the right hand sponsor links and see how much competition there is. if it's just a few that's good but if the column is filled with ads pushing the exact same offer then stay away. you want an offer that's unique to the page or at least has little competition.

next, gather some keywords on the offer from a KW tool. i like keyworddiscovery.com, but get your fav and build a list. it doesn't have to be huge, a few 100 will do.

then, for the ads type the offer into google. look at the sponsor ads and rewrite them for YPN. for each adgroup in YPN i like to have five ads at least. just my preference.

from there put your campaign together, making sure have a domain name already and that you are direct linking from the ad directly to the merchant page.

bid high so your ad gets in the top 4 spots. if you can get no. 1 go for it.

give it a few hundred clicks and see what happens. if it's profitable you can expand out, maybe build a lander, etc. if not you can move on to a new offer...wash, rinse, repeat....

it's hit/miss. prolly more miss using this method but you might get lucky and hit a profitable niche. testing is the key...

Well thanks a lot again for your information, but the problem is in Copeac there is not many good offers to promote. Some even need the customers to pay up to $100 to signup and counted as a lead. Most offers there pays lower than $20. I am looking for some above $20 which will be profitable enough to run YPN.

About searching for keywords, there is a built-in software in YPN that does that for us, they will find good keywords. What I will do is get 10 good kw and bid according to them, tell me if I am doing something wrong here. Why 10? Because I can't find any other suitable kw for the offer I am promoting, the kw is someway out of the range and I am afraid getting unwanted clicks will dry up the $$.

damik · Dec 13, 2008

copeac has lots of good offers, you just might not like them but other people might and might search for them in great numbers on yahoo. that's why you have to test.

and remember, usually with higher payouts the higher the KWs, so your profit margin doesn't automatically improve because you are pushing a pricier item.

re:kws, you can get away with 10, but a lot depends upon niche and competition.

if you have the time and you can write you might want to think about doing some content writing for people. trying to make some coin this time of year in PPC is tough especially if your new at it...

AffGuy08 · Dec 14, 2008

damik said:
copeac has lots of good offers, you just might not like them but other people might and might search for them in great numbers on yahoo. that's why you have to test.

and remember, usually with higher payouts the higher the KWs, so your profit margin doesn't automatically improve because you are pushing a pricier item.

re:kws, you can get away with 10, but a lot depends upon niche and competition.

if you have the time and you can write you might want to think about doing some content writing for people. trying to make some coin this time of year in PPC is tough especially if your new at it...

What are the good offers there? I can only think of health and diet related

About the kw, I searched again but many of the kws are out of topic and will be wasted clicks, I was thinking choosing the precise kws will help and get more targetted clicks. Tell me if I am doing anything wrong.

bananahands · Dec 14, 2008

75 cents is a lot to pay for a single click imo. I usually aim for .15 or less although I'm assuming your niche is competetive. Try looking for more low hanging keywords in order to get cheaper clicks. I'm not a huge fan of YPN because they constantly flag my ads for editorial review which is a real pain in the arse. Sometimes it works but I prefer adwords.

AffGuy08 · Dec 14, 2008

bananahands said:
75 cents is a lot to pay for a single click imo. I usually aim for .15 or less although I'm assuming your niche is competetive. Try looking for more low hanging keywords in order to get cheaper clicks. I'm not a huge fan of YPN because they constantly flag my ads for editorial review which is a real pain in the arse. Sometimes it works but I prefer adwords.

$0.15 for which niche?

For the niche I am competing $0.75 a click is the lowest

YPN flag which kind of ads? I normally use cloacked or tinyurl or co.cc to redirect the ads to advertiser's ads...is that allowed by both YPN and CPA?

bananahands · Dec 14, 2008

$.15 for any niche. Don't go by the YPN suggestions I'm pretty sure this is just a way for them to suck money out of you. I just put in a max bid of .15-.20 and usually don't run into any problems. If you use adwords tool or wordtracker you'll be able to find a bunch of longtail keywords which won't have competition. It might take awhile to setup your campaigns with 15-20 keywords in each ad group but should be worth it to make your dollar stretch.

I find myself getting flagged for most ads I try, I guess they see them as trademarked or some shit which I don't understand. Lately they are saying my links are broken when they clearly work fine. Really starting to piss me off but I'm not going to go on a rant.

I've never tried tinyurl myself but if its working for you then stick with it.

Hope this helps.

AffGuy08 · Dec 14, 2008

bananahands said:
$.15 for any niche. Don't go by the YPN suggestions I'm pretty sure this is just a way for them to suck money out of you. I just put in a max bid of .15-.20 and usually don't run into any problems. If you use adwords tool or wordtracker you'll be able to find a bunch of longtail keywords which won't have competition. It might take awhile to setup your campaigns with 15-20 keywords in each ad group but should be worth it to make your dollar stretch.

I find myself getting flagged for most ads I try, I guess they see them as trademarked or some shit which I don't understand. Lately they are saying my links are broken when they clearly work fine. Really starting to piss me off but I'm not going to go on a rant.

I've never tried tinyurl myself but if its working for you then stick with it.

Hope this helps.

Thanks dude, but i find longtail keywords are out of the offer that I am promoting so is it safe to choose them?

dmed123 · Dec 14, 2008

Check out this tool I think you can use it for 7 day trial its called Ad Grenade.

Code:

http://www.adgrenade.com

It's a pretty amazing Adwords and YPN, MSN Ad tool that will split your keywords into single ad groups for you. If you can afford something like Speed PPC or find a good working copy here on this forum then use that same thing only you can use php titles into your landing page which is great for quality score.

What Ad Grenade can do is when putting alot of different keywords into a ad group you lower your CTR for the group this way there none of that happens plus it helps with put your keyword into the URL string so you know what's working and whats not. I couldn't image not using this tool now that I know the power of it. It's really helpful when building keyword ad groups. Once you get the hang of it you will never go back to manual putting in your campaigns again. I promise.

Hope that helps!

bananahands · Dec 14, 2008

Adgrenade sounds pretty cool although I've never used it myself.

Another service to consider is PPC-Coach.com. You'll find pretty much everything you'll ever need to know about PPC taught to you from someone who knows the game in and out. I think it's a monthly service but it's totally worth it as there is a forum on the page that addresses everything under the PPC sun.

I'm confused why you wouldn't be able to use longtails unless your niche is already really pretty small. Don't need your specific product, just trying to lend a hand.

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