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So I did some seo with a company that seemed ok at the start. They have ranking success but I realized most of their rankings are local and they don't do much white hat looking stuff. I found a better company that gets relevant stuff to link to you.

This guy makes it like he's losing money by getting meme a few links a month at about 1,500 a month. When I try to quit he says how good an seo he is. Meanwhile his traffic is worth around 1,500 to 3,000 a month. Not so special for a proclamed best seo on the coast.

He goes hard when I say I want to end campaign with him and how good an seo he is. Also that he would never takr on a client if they wanted to do just 2-3 months. The other company I found does it for less, does some white hat stuff and is less per month. Also their traffic is worth over 50-60,000 a month in organic seo. The choice seems pretty clear who is better! Next month I may say that I'm looking to do more white hat stuff and if he bitches I'll say there is no contract. I don't think I've seen such an agreessive seo person like this before it is annoying.
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What does the contract with your current SEO specialist state about early termination and what is the duration stated on the contract. If this isn't mentioned anywhere in the contrac, then tell your current SEO specialist about the new company that you've discovered by asking him these two questions (my wording tends to be blunt, so reword these questions so that you don't make your current SEO specialist feel inferior or insulted):

  1. Why should I continue paying more for your services when this company is offering high quality for less?
  2. What makes you different from this company?

A good SEO specialist will be able to provide valid reasons for both of these questions. If at any time he provides a vague answer to these questions, begins to make outlandish claims (e.g., I'm the best SEO), or avoids the questions entirely, then find a new SEO specialist or company to work with.

Additionally, communicate with your current SEO specialist about your feelings regarding his services. By being communicative with him, you may even be able to negotiate a lower fee (assuming he isn't another cowboy SEO "specialist").
 
This is really happening now, I've seen some big guns doing this to get the name going. It stinks.
 
txhepoker said:
Be careful on how you end things. As seo providers we know a few good ways that work but we definitely know many more that don't. I have come across a few companies that could not rank because the old seo kept tanking them due to holding a grudge...
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Yeah. I'm trying to end on good terms that's why I'm not calling him out on some stuff he says like deindexed links he gave me claiming the site search on google isn't reliable which I think it is more straight forward than that a site is indexed or it is not. Sites around for a while online should be indexed on Google if it will pass rank.
 
Zwielicht said:
What does the contract with your current SEO specialist state about early termination and what is the duration stated on the contract. If this isn't mentioned anywhere in the contrac, then tell your current SEO specialist about the new company that you've discovered by asking him these two questions (my wording tends to be blunt, so reword these questions so that you don't make your current SEO specialist feel inferior or insulted):

  1. Why should I continue paying more for your services when this company is offering high quality for less?
  2. What makes you different from this company?

A good SEO specialist will be able to provide valid reasons for both of these questions. If at any time he provides a vague answer to these questions, begins to make outlandish claims (e.g., I'm the best SEO), or avoids the questions entirely, then find a new SEO specialist or company to work with.

Additionally, communicate with your current SEO specialist about your feelings regarding his services. By being communicative with him, you may even be able to negotiate a lower fee (assuming he isn't another cowboy SEO "specialist").
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We don't even have a contract. Just that we do it monthly andand agreed on a price. Also there is nothing that can convince me of good answers to those questions. This guy doesn't even write unique content. He just has sites he claims are established (that have 'some' content on them) that pass link juice vs the other company that wants to do press release and put legit content out there.

This other company also has over 40-50,000 worth in organic ranking and stable at that for over 1-2 years vs the other company who's ranked since July 14 at around 1,500 to 3,000 worth in seo and also their rankings are mainly local seo terms. I can't see any way that sticking with this company would be better than going with the other guys even if this company did give a discount.
 
Anonoptimization said:
We don't even have a contract. Just that we do it monthly andand agreed on a price. Also there is nothing that can convince me of good answers to those questions. This guy doesn't even write unique content. He just has sites he claims are established (that have 'some' content on them) that pass link juice vs the other company that wants to do press release and put legit content out there.

This other company also has over 40-50,000 worth in organic ranking and stable at that for over 1-2 years vs the other company who's ranked since July 14 at around 1,500 to 3,000 worth in seo and also their rankings are mainly local seo terms. I can't see any way that sticking with this company would be better than going with the other guys even if this company did give a discount.
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Yes, it's most likely better to go with the other company as your current SEO specialist sounds as if he's very new to the industry (based on everything you've said about him). Anyway, before you go with the SEO company you've shown interest in, here is a short guide I wrote in November about choosing an SEO company that you might find useful:
Zwielicht said:
Ordering an SEO services that charges under $750 a month is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Just like a low-quality woman, low-quality SEO services can be detrimental to your website. When choosing an SEO service, you will want to choose one that works not only with your website, but one that works with you.

How To Choose An SEO Agency Based On Services
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It's important to choose an SEO company based on the services, not just the price. A good SEO company will offer services that follow Google's Webmaster Guidelines. The following list is a list of services that I recommend you look for when choosing an SEO company.

Services That High Quality SEO Companies Offer



  • Website Audit Reports: A report that reviews your website's competitiveness, current rankings, and current issues. It also lists issues that need to be fixed.
  • Weekly updates: Updates on SEO related changes to your website and any progress that has been made.
  • Competitive Analysis Reports: A report on your competitors.
  • Keyword Research Reports: A list of well-research relevant keywords that have the highest chance of helping your website rank.
  • On-Page Optimisation: category descriptions, tags, keyword density, etcetera.
  • Website Optimisation: issues from the website audit report that are fixed.
  • White Hat Link Building on relevant authority website
  • Social Media Optimisation: Optimisation of your social media pages.
  • Continuous SEO Analysis: Checking the progress of SEO is important to determine which methods are working and which methods are not working.
  • Client Training In SEO: This is important for the client so that the client knows exactly what you are doing. This also helps prevent the client from getting scammed by future SEOcompanies should the two of you decide to cancel the contract.
  • Brandjacking Prevention: Claiming your brand on various websites to prevent brandjacking
  • Local Citations (For Local SEO)

How To Choose An SEO Agency Based On Price
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Not everyone has the luxury of affording $10,000 SEO services, so how does someone with a small budget afford SEO? Well, if you really want to be cheap, the minimum that any good search engine optimiser would charge is $750 a month, and that would be for a new website that is in an uncompetitive niche (at least, that's how much I charge for websites like that). For larger websites, expect to spend at least $1,500 a month and for larger website in a competitive niche, let's just say it's outside of your budget.

Now, you may be wondering just where the SEO company that you found fits into all of this. Well, it doesn't. You see, SEO companies that do cheap SEO are not worth your time. Not only is theSEO ineffective, but you may find yourself spending more money later on to hire someone to clean up the mistakes of the cheap SEO company. Sure, the SEO offered by thyese companies may seem cheap now, but they won't seem so cheap when you order from 100 of these companies and you're left with a penalised website.

Questions To Ask An SEO Company
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  1. What certifications do your optimisers have (are they inbound certified, optimising Adsense certified, Adwords certified, Bing Ads certified, etcetera)? While it's not imperative to have these services, they can be a good indicator of whether or not the optimisers took the time to receive some sort of credentials
  2. How much experience do your optimisers have? Some optimisers can be good at the jobs with only a couple of years of experience, others may be abysmal.
  3. Will I receive a report on the changes you've made to my website? These reports can be invaluable in cases where you need to reverse the damage.
  4. Do your services include relevant backlinks? Puppy sites link to puppy sites. If you own a puppy site, do you think a golf site would naturally link to you?
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Just build a second website for a few hundred dollars, and contract another company to rank it. Keep two irons in the fire...
 
tony_d said:
Just build a second website for a few hundred dollars, and contract another company to rank it. Keep two irons in the fire...
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From what this guy has said this would be the best solution, i've had bad experiences with negative seo which i suspect came from SEO company when i terminated my contract with them and took on their opponent in the local seo scene. I beleive they were neg SEO'ing the clients of the opponents. Should have read that guide first.
 
tony_d said:
Just build a second website for a few hundred dollars, and contract another company to rank it. Keep two irons in the fire...
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I totally agree with this, if you check my history a few people here tried the same in the past to me, I got pissed on them and ignored them totally. thanksfully my site was a strong authority website which they were unable to hurt at all!
 
I'm not sure this guy would negative seo me, he's trying to give me links to rank, it works on some other sites but they seem to be mostly local businesses - not the same competition as nationwide.

Also I keep up on my back link profile regularly so can disavow stuff as it comes in but I think this seos company main thing is buying links within a network that has a few sites that are linked out from the network sites.
 
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wedreamseo said:
That other company with their whitehat methods blabla, not sure he can rank you if he solely relies on press releases and link outreach that might lead to nothing, while an SEO with a PBN will be able to rank you.

Not to say you should stay with your current douche bag, but the alternative doesn't sound much better to me, so I would keep on looking before hiring a new SEO agency as it looks like you're going to burn a lot of money for nothing.

Press release links are completely worthless to rank sites and you need some real worthy news for it to go viral, picked up by interesting sites that can make a difference in your rankings.
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Press release to get things started but not pure white hat. I once used an seo like that and it got my site nowhere. I looked up that companies traffic according to semrush and it's less than $100 worth last I checked. This seo I found has a solid PBN strategy and as mentioned before they get over $50,000 in seo traffic in semrush so it looks like they know what they are doing.
 
If you really must stop using their services, just be open to them and tell them you can no longer afford their services.
 
I know SEO firm that won't take your money if you don't sign a contract of 2 to 6 months.

Though they don't just take your money but give you an estimated quote that will rank all your keywords on the first page of Google.
In most cases, they do fine.

It depends on the agreement you have with the guy.

Notwithstanding, you need to thread carefully, so he doesn't turn radical on the SERP too.

I will advice you find a way to pull out if his service is not working.
It's probably not going to work anyway.
 
I would never ever EVER pay 1.5k a month for seo.

For that you can do it yourself if you take the time out to learn it.

Plus 90% of these "SEO companies" are shit.

Look in the marketplace and you can get 10x more for 1.5k than any company will give u (unless that company is on BHW I would trust them more but even then 1.5k is a lot)

If your scared of your website being hit you can protect it by getting the links sent to web 2.0s so if anything ever did happen only the web 2.0 will get hit.
 
asap1 said:
I would never ever EVER pay 1.5k a month for seo.

For that you can do it yourself if you take the time out to learn it.

Plus 90% of these "SEO companies" are shit.

Look in the marketplace and you can get 10x more for 1.5k than any company will give u (unless that company is on BHW I would trust them more but even then 1.5k is a lot)

If your scared of your website being hit you can protect it by getting the links sent to web 2.0s so if anything ever did happen only the web 2.0 will get hit.
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From your comment i can deduce that you have never built a serious business online before till date, am i wrong?

Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion.
 
asap1 said:
I would never ever EVER pay 1.5k a month for seo.

For that you can do it yourself if you take the time out to learn it.

Plus 90% of these "SEO companies" are shit.

Look in the marketplace and you can get 10x more for 1.5k than any company will give u (unless that company is on BHW I would trust them more but even then 1.5k is a lot)

If your scared of your website being hit you can protect it by getting the links sent to web 2.0s so if anything ever did happen only the web 2.0 will get hit.
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Have you ever ranked something with very high competition?

I have seen SEO budgets go up to 6k a month, but that was for a business in a large city. If you do not know what you are buying on the BST, you can tank the website just as easily.

How do you assume that 90% of SEO companies suck?? Have any data on that?
 
No, I have never dealt with agressive seo companies. but I have had people in a certain niche get mad when they contact my family about buying a link from them for their website. My family then asks me to research the domain. 99% of them are spammy. Inflated link profiles with SER or crappy spun content from a (cheap) provider here most likely.

I had one guy contact me after I said no to the link. He tried to tell me SEMrush only provides good data about a website if the owner of the website pays them to :cool: maximum butt hurt
 
tony_d said:
Just build a second website for a few hundred dollars, and contract another company to rank it. Keep two irons in the fire...
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And enjoy watching it with laugh.

@T

First time hearing about something like this didn't know this even exist
 
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