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Anyone get involved with aggressive seo people before ?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Anonoptimization, Mar 3, 2015.

  1. Anonoptimization

    Anonoptimization Power Member

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    So I did some seo with a company that seemed ok at the start. They have ranking success but I realized most of their rankings are local and they don't do much white hat looking stuff. I found a better company that gets relevant stuff to link to you.

    This guy makes it like he's losing money by getting meme a few links a month at about 1,500 a month. When I try to quit he says how good an seo he is. Meanwhile his traffic is worth around 1,500 to 3,000 a month. Not so special for a proclamed best seo on the coast.

    He goes hard when I say I want to end campaign with him and how good an seo he is. Also that he would never takr on a client if they wanted to do just 2-3 months. The other company I found does it for less, does some white hat stuff and is less per month. Also their traffic is worth over 50-60,000 a month in organic seo. The choice seems pretty clear who is better! Next month I may say that I'm looking to do more white hat stuff and if he bitches I'll say there is no contract. I don't think I've seen such an agreessive seo person like this before it is annoying.
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  2. txhepoker

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    Be careful on how you end things. As seo providers we know a few good ways that work but we definitely know many more that don't. I have come across a few companies that could not rank because the old seo kept tanking them due to holding a grudge...
     
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    Zwielicht Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    What does the contract with your current SEO specialist state about early termination and what is the duration stated on the contract. If this isn't mentioned anywhere in the contrac, then tell your current SEO specialist about the new company that you've discovered by asking him these two questions (my wording tends to be blunt, so reword these questions so that you don't make your current SEO specialist feel inferior or insulted):

    1. Why should I continue paying more for your services when this company is offering high quality for less?
    2. What makes you different from this company?

    A good SEO specialist will be able to provide valid reasons for both of these questions. If at any time he provides a vague answer to these questions, begins to make outlandish claims (e.g., I'm the best SEO), or avoids the questions entirely, then find a new SEO specialist or company to work with.

    Additionally, communicate with your current SEO specialist about your feelings regarding his services. By being communicative with him, you may even be able to negotiate a lower fee (assuming he isn't another cowboy SEO "specialist").
     
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    This is really happening now, I've seen some big guns doing this to get the name going. It stinks.
     
  5. Anonoptimization

    Anonoptimization Power Member

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    Yeah. I'm trying to end on good terms that's why I'm not calling him out on some stuff he says like deindexed links he gave me claiming the site search on google isn't reliable which I think it is more straight forward than that a site is indexed or it is not. Sites around for a while online should be indexed on Google if it will pass rank.
     
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    Anonoptimization Power Member

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    We don't even have a contract. Just that we do it monthly andand agreed on a price. Also there is nothing that can convince me of good answers to those questions. This guy doesn't even write unique content. He just has sites he claims are established (that have 'some' content on them) that pass link juice vs the other company that wants to do press release and put legit content out there.

    This other company also has over 40-50,000 worth in organic ranking and stable at that for over 1-2 years vs the other company who's ranked since July 14 at around 1,500 to 3,000 worth in seo and also their rankings are mainly local seo terms. I can't see any way that sticking with this company would be better than going with the other guys even if this company did give a discount.
     
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    Zwielicht Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Yes, it's most likely better to go with the other company as your current SEO specialist sounds as if he's very new to the industry (based on everything you've said about him). Anyway, before you go with the SEO company you've shown interest in, here is a short guide I wrote in November about choosing an SEO company that you might find useful:
     
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    Just build a second website for a few hundred dollars, and contract another company to rank it. Keep two irons in the fire...
     
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    From what this guy has said this would be the best solution, i've had bad experiences with negative seo which i suspect came from SEO company when i terminated my contract with them and took on their opponent in the local seo scene. I beleive they were neg SEO'ing the clients of the opponents. Should have read that guide first.
     
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    I totally agree with this, if you check my history a few people here tried the same in the past to me, I got pissed on them and ignored them totally. thanksfully my site was a strong authority website which they were unable to hurt at all!
     
  11. Anonoptimization

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    I'm not sure this guy would negative seo me, he's trying to give me links to rank, it works on some other sites but they seem to be mostly local businesses - not the same competition as nationwide.

    Also I keep up on my back link profile regularly so can disavow stuff as it comes in but I think this seos company main thing is buying links within a network that has a few sites that are linked out from the network sites.
     
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  12. Anonoptimization

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    Press release to get things started but not pure white hat. I once used an seo like that and it got my site nowhere. I looked up that companies traffic according to semrush and it's less than $100 worth last I checked. This seo I found has a solid PBN strategy and as mentioned before they get over $50,000 in seo traffic in semrush so it looks like they know what they are doing.
     
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    If you really must stop using their services, just be open to them and tell them you can no longer afford their services.
     
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    I know SEO firm that won't take your money if you don't sign a contract of 2 to 6 months.

    Though they don't just take your money but give you an estimated quote that will rank all your keywords on the first page of Google.
    In most cases, they do fine.

    It depends on the agreement you have with the guy.

    Notwithstanding, you need to thread carefully, so he doesn't turn radical on the SERP too.

    I will advice you find a way to pull out if his service is not working.
    It's probably not going to work anyway.
     
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    danielsdulceh Newbie

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    always try to go with the people who don't ask you for a contract.. be safe :)
     
  16. asap1

    asap1 BANNED BANNED

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    I would never ever EVER pay 1.5k a month for seo.

    For that you can do it yourself if you take the time out to learn it.

    Plus 90% of these "SEO companies" are shit.

    Look in the marketplace and you can get 10x more for 1.5k than any company will give u (unless that company is on BHW I would trust them more but even then 1.5k is a lot)

    If your scared of your website being hit you can protect it by getting the links sent to web 2.0s so if anything ever did happen only the web 2.0 will get hit.
     
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    From your comment i can deduce that you have never built a serious business online before till date, am i wrong?

    Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion.
     
  18. neweaver

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    Have you ever ranked something with very high competition?

    I have seen SEO budgets go up to 6k a month, but that was for a business in a large city. If you do not know what you are buying on the BST, you can tank the website just as easily.

    How do you assume that 90% of SEO companies suck?? Have any data on that?
     
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    No, I have never dealt with agressive seo companies. but I have had people in a certain niche get mad when they contact my family about buying a link from them for their website. My family then asks me to research the domain. 99% of them are spammy. Inflated link profiles with SER or crappy spun content from a (cheap) provider here most likely.

    I had one guy contact me after I said no to the link. He tried to tell me SEMrush only provides good data about a website if the owner of the website pays them to :cool: maximum butt hurt
     
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    And enjoy watching it with laugh.

    @T

    First time hearing about something like this didn't know this even exist