Anyone From Valencia, Spain?

Why do you need to give it up?
I could understand people who want to, but needing to? I don't think that's needed.

Yeah was thinking the same myself.. One of my main biz partners is American but is moving to Spain soon, he has been living outside the states for like 7 or 8 years already but didn't give up citizenship. To be fair it's pretty fucked up America's approach there to people abroad and taxes.. then if you where to give up your citizenship I bet my ass they would make it hard for you to "visit" family still in the states then in the future.

I don't know much about it to be honest.. but it does seem like a really unfair system.
 
Yeah was thinking the same myself.. One of my main biz partners is American but is moving to Spain soon, he has been living outside the states for like 7 or 8 years already but didn't give up citizenship. To be fair it's pretty fucked up America's approach there to people abroad and taxes.. then if you where to give up your citizenship I bet my ass they would make it hard for you to "visit" family still in the states then in the future.

I don't know much about it to be honest.. but it does seem like a really unfair system.

'tis the problem, good sire, with a fundamentally fkd up system. You need to do 'unfair' things.
 
Why do you need to give it up?
I could understand people who want to, but needing to? I don't think that's needed.

Of course it's not needed, but if I don't give up US citizenship I'd still be required to pay federal income tax to the US.
 
Of course it's not needed, but if I don't give up US citizenship I'd still be required to pay federal income tax to the US.

Yeah, but you have the "95-7 rule", or whatever it is now. The first $100k of your income abroad is not taxable in the US, if you're absent the entire year. And if you are truly absent, and can't manage your affairs such that NO tax is payable, you deserve to be ripped off anyway :)
 
I'd like to head over there myself, Valencia has amazing orange juice apparently.

Yes, Valencia is famous for Oranges. Don't forget to try "Agua de Valencia" when you're here. You'll love it;)
 
Yeah, but you have the "95-7 rule", or whatever it is now. The first $100k of your income abroad is not taxable in the US, if you're absent the entire year. And if you are truly absent, and can't manage your affairs such that NO tax is payable, you deserve to be ripped off anyway :)

I'll have to look into that as I've never heard of it. Thanks for mentioning.
 
Yeah, but you have the "95-7 rule", or whatever it is now. The first $100k of your income abroad is not taxable in the US, if you're absent the entire year. And if you are truly absent, and can't manage your affairs such that NO tax is payable, you deserve to be ripped off anyway :)

Share with me your wisdom, because I still end up paying out the nose abroad. Outside of dodgy methods and potentially risky tax havens, its pretty hard nowadays to hide money from Uncle Sam (see FATCA). The FEIE also doesn't count towards everything including FICA taxes (which you'll still end up paying $15.3k on that first $100k). Additionally, FATCA has made banking extremely difficult for Americans abroad, and is one major reason for a lot of citizens renouncing their US citizenship (year on year increases).

Combined with FATCA and being the only civilized country in the world to tax foreign earned income on non habitual residents, which in its own complicates tax returns and more headaches especially with countries that don't have double taxation agreements with the USA, you can see why people may consider renunciation.


To Bluematter:

I'm currently planning on moving my family to Valencia, Spain later this year. I'll look you up when I'm in town.
 
Just the man I was talking about.. We could have a BHW conference in Spain yet lol
 
Share with me your wisdom, because I still end up paying out the nose abroad. Outside of dodgy methods and potentially risky tax havens, its pretty hard nowadays to hide money from Uncle Sam (see FATCA). The FEIE also doesn't count towards everything including FICA taxes (which you'll still end up paying $15.3k on that first $100k). Additionally, FATCA has made banking extremely difficult for Americans abroad, and is one major reason for a lot of citizens renouncing their US citizenship (year on year increases).

Combined with FATCA and being the only civilized country in the world to tax foreign earned income on non habitual residents, which in its own complicates tax returns and more headaches especially with countries that don't have double taxation agreements with the USA, you can see why people may consider renunciation.


To Bluematter:

I'm currently planning on moving my family to Valencia, Spain later this year. I'll look you up when I'm in town.

Nothing particularly clever - just bill revenue from an entity in a jurisdiction that has zero (or otherwise low) corporate tax rate.

To make it work in the big picture such that you'll end up with beneficial use and control of the assets, and particularly if you're a US citizen, you'll end up with a few different entities and one ultimate holding trust. Sounds far more complex than it actually is - if you're that way inclined, you can DIY for about $5-10k setup then $3-5k/year, or use a service provider to do it for you.

Apportioning revenue to favorable jurisdictions is exactly what the giants (Microsoft, Google, Apple, Amazon, Cisco, et al) do when operating in non-favorable jurisdictions - though they do it slightly differently through transfer pricing arrangements, but the effect is the same; the bulk of the revenue, and almost all of the profit, gets booked in no/low tax jurisdictions.

Anything you pay yourself as salary will still be taxable as personal income, so if you're earning <$100k it's not really worthwhile, but anyone talking about tax issues is presumably progressing well beyond that level.

PS - if you wanted to bill from a local company rather than an offshore company, you could do so, and set transfer pricing favorably. This is considerably more risky, because transfer pricing arrangements are the easiest things for local tax authorities to attack (because they're in a local jurisdiction), and as is the case in Australia, if the tax authorities simply 'deem' transfer pricing to have been structured in a manner other than fair market value arms length negotiations, they'll just retrospectively issue adjustments and bill you as though the revenues were earned in Australia. I'm sure the experts could give you lots of intelligent commentary on this, but this simple issue, from my perspective, makes billing from a local company significantly risky.
 
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I'm watching things here very closely from an investors point of view after seeing the boom in the USA and the crazy money being made.. I know for some people it can be a controversial subject but from a business point of view this new industry is the next gold rush imo

Maybe for a short while? I just don't see anything sustainable - supply and demand in all areas of the industry will balance out in a reasonably short period of time.
I can't see that there is any first mover advantage in that space...
 
Maybe for a short while? I just don't see anything sustainable - supply and demand in all areas of the industry will balance out in a reasonably short period of time.
I can't see that there is any first mover advantage in that space...

Not so sure on that, I can only see it growing and growing for some time to come at least.. Figures seem to be just going up and up in US states I've seen so far..

But hey the gold rush didn't last forever either hence the "rush" lol - strike wile the iron is hot would be my thinking, this is why I'm keeping an eye on things here and how they are unfolding.

The people that get in early are the ones that will make the big bucks and build the brands for long term then too.. You can see this already in the states it's big players already taking it over.. I think here it will be easier for lower level entry when the time comes.
 
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