1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Anti B.S Campaign would you join?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by gingerbuzz, Sep 14, 2012.

?

Would you join a stop the B.S Campaign

  1. YES

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. NO

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. gingerbuzz

    gingerbuzz Junior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2010
    Messages:
    162
    Likes Received:
    50
    Occupation:
    miracle hunter
    Location:
    Asia
    Ever seen the film LEGION where God gets so fed up by the BS he sends his angels to destroy mankind?
    l am beginning to think it is a good idea! Scammers, BS, hype, people with multiple internet identities, fake reviews, crap products and services. The list is endless.

    What if there was an alternative?

    What if you could only do business if you were prepared to lodge your passport details, proof of address contact details and a reference Would you do it?

    Would you join a stop the BS campaign?
    Yes or No?
     
  2. atif089

    atif089 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2008
    Messages:
    85
    Likes Received:
    40
    Im in
     
  3. Reyone

    Reyone Elite Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2012
    Messages:
    1,577
    Likes Received:
    1,277
    Occupation:
    Hunter
    Not sure =)
     
  4. mrjamez

    mrjamez Junior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2012
    Messages:
    151
    Likes Received:
    44
    Occupation:
    Nothing auto pilot is the key
    Location:
    10 downing street, London
    ok whats b.s?
     
  5. knotas

    knotas Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2010
    Messages:
    88
    Likes Received:
    46
    Occupation:
    Network admin
    Location:
    mad world
    Yes

    Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2
     
  6. M1ndfluX

    M1ndfluX Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2009
    Messages:
    1,119
    Likes Received:
    868
    Location:
    031010
    26267977.jpg
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  7. svabb2000

    svabb2000 Regular Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    214
    Likes Received:
    43
    Occupation:
    Full Time IM
    Location:
    RO
    A big YES!
     
  8. Oukast

    Oukast Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2012
    Messages:
    832
    Likes Received:
    683
    Location:
    Under the palm tree
    Kinda ironic to see thread about bullshit start off with reference to religion...

    But given that most of my work done online is done in my name, it wouldn't be that big of a thing to either drop the rest or convert them to my name. Sure everything I just wouldn't be able to, but most anyway...
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  9. PinguSpy

    PinguSpy Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2007
    Messages:
    1,045
    Likes Received:
    935
    Occupation:
    Internet Farmer
    Location:
    Pineal Gland
    Home Page:
    I can't dude..

    Since I want to reach enlightenment/nirvana....

    I need love, forgiveness, awareness... harmony ...always smile.. and be happy.....

    [​IMG]
     
  10. adss30

    adss30 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2012
    Messages:
    3,808
    Likes Received:
    282
    Gender:
    Male
    Home Page:
    Yes........
     
  11. LOL-Blaster

    LOL-Blaster Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2012
    Messages:
    342
    Likes Received:
    707
    Why would I want to reveal all my personal details to a stranger?

    The must be a damn good reason for me to do so and the buyer should also drop his personal info.
     
  12. Amsterdammer

    Amsterdammer Power Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2011
    Messages:
    515
    Likes Received:
    563
    No offense intended but I think this is a silly idea.

    Giving up privacy does not equal safety! Didn't the last ten years teach you anything?
     
  13. gingerbuzz

    gingerbuzz Junior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2010
    Messages:
    162
    Likes Received:
    50
    Occupation:
    miracle hunter
    Location:
    Asia
    No offense taken and you make a fair point which i have considered. The last 10 years have taught me that there is more information out there than ever before but 90% of it is just rubbish and that more is not always good. Less information but good information appears to be better eg Many countries now use thumb prints and eye scans as a way of immigration control and confirming identity. Which is funny because in the old days they also used thumb prints to confirm your identity just as in the old days.

    No one is being asked to give up their privacy they are simply being asked to be honest about their identity.

    Really dont you get tired of meeting people who call themselves Enlightenedone one week then the following week they've changed and started calling themselves something different like super ***** scammer?
     
  14. Amsterdammer

    Amsterdammer Power Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2011
    Messages:
    515
    Likes Received:
    563
    I actually meant something else when talking about the last ten years but since you take the JV scam as an example, I will follow along. [​IMG]

    I read the shitlist thread about the enlightened scammer and as usual it boils down to 3 things:
    Greed, this is where you offer fast profits. The target gets blinded by what could be.
    Naivety, this is spat upon but it actually tells you a lot about the good character the naive person has. To a scammer it is heaven though. Naivety just means you couldn't think of anything so evil, or have not seen it before. It has nothing to do with intelligence. In fact, smart people make for good targets for a number of reasons.
    Trust, this is where you surround yourself with people saying you are okay for instance. If ten people say you will not get burned touching the hot furnace it builds trust.
    There is a fourth too: Emotion. This works a bit different and it finds its roots in the other three. e.g. You like the guy but he faces a problem only you can help with. Will you be responsible for his children/kitty starving to death?

    These are just the basics. I posted sort of a guide somewhere else and promptly the blue section got flooded so if you don't mind, I will stop here. BUT, those are the things you want to watch for. Your gut plays a factor here as it will usually warn you but gets defeated by "reasoning".
    (For the record: I did report those posts when I saw how it was used but it is still up so perhaps I am wrong in wanting it removed. Hence this reply. If it gets deleted I will not be offended.)

    Normally, when you deal with honest folks, they will provide you the information they would want to have. You don't need to ask for an ID when dealing with investors for instance: they will offer it themselves.
    To an honest person it looks suspicious to themselves to not provide it, a scammer just solves problems on his way to your piggybank...

    I will grant the named scammer he is not a beginner but he is not advanced either.
    At this level, you can still question them and feel the reaction. Aggression in whatever form is a good sign something is up. Not with the advanced levels though, they will take down 90% of people eventually with advanced techniques. But, those people are rare.
    I will note that I did not read his actual scam thread, I could be wrong about the aggression part.
    The reason I am saying he is not advanced is because he could actually get away with it without getting banned.

    Scamming is a business model and it is profitable too. In fact, there is a guide to scam posted by one of the Moderators, he calls it a blackhat technique. To me it is potatoes versus potatoes.
    The thing smart people will understand is that it is even more profitable to just be honest.
    While you can rob someone for two dollars, you can make thousands if they think they got a good deal and keep on coming back. Not to mention the PR you get from those people. Think pirate bay here.

    Now to get back to the privacy thing. You posted this:
    "What if you could only do business if you were prepared to lodge your passport details, proof of address contact details and a reference Would you do it?"

    This is giving up privacy and it will NOT stop you from being scammed.
    Online, you can fake anything. Give me your Twitter name and I will produce a screenshot of you saying whatever I want. For the record: I don't have a Twitter account myself, I just stumbled on the tool a while back.
    Offline we just had a test done by Brenno de Winter where he printed his own ID, then used it to get access to the national security service, think NSA though we call it BVD. He got into other places too btw but this one was most scary to me. Please keep in mind the ID was official looking but had definite tell tale signs of fraud. People noticing those signs just assumed it was a new sort of ID...
    On a side note, our NSA just put out a warning about Brenno de Winter, they did not address the method itself. While the warning on him was in effect a mate of him tried and succeeded. Gives something to think about eh?

    People get scammed daily. We even have a show about it in The Netherlands.
    What needs to be done is education. Teach people how not to get scammed. When doing so you won't need to force people by law to disclose personal information as people will be so wary when you don't release that information voluntary you can't conduct any business.
    Of course, scammers will adapt and I know of a few ways to do so but it gets harder and harder this way. A scammer doesn't start out on the level of that enlightened guy, they get an education by trial and error. This is not his first scam nor will it be his last. In a few years he will be doing seriously advanced tricks. By slamming him down on the first attempt, done by educating people, he will see the error of his ways or assume it is impossible to get any profits from scam tactics.
    I would love to show people but I already saw what a little bit of knowledge can do in the wrong hands. This is a problem I do not know how to solve at this time.

    So, erm, to make it into a law to release private information while it is already quite hard to anonymously receive funds seems to build a fake trust factor to me. You would actually make it easier to get scammed. :(

    Also, thumb prints can be faked in a multitude of ways. The iris scan depends on the equipment used to perform the check.
    At current, the best way I can think of is a hand/palm scan, it checks for the construction of the hand down to the level of blood vessels. Then again, hands can be detached by the truly motivated, heat loss occurring by that can be compensated.

    Disclaimer: I do not scam. Never have and never will. I do however have broad interests, used to have some very indecent friends and while I do not judge on people taking an alternative view on life I draw the line by doing things that keep me up at night. Scamming usually takes advantage of hard working people, having lost everything I had a few times makes me relate to people like that. Also, there seriously is more profit in conducting honest business. Not only moneywise btw.

    EDIT: I just had a nice read through the scam thread and I underestimated him. By the looks of it he still has one account active. He will be back to play some more, this was not the first time he scammed members.... Could be wrong of course but things just don't add up. If he operates like expected, there will be several accounts owned by him, he uses sleepers. Haven't found those, yet. At least one will pop up with the next scam, within 2 months me thinks.
    I would say this is a professional.
     
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2012
  15. B. Friendly

    B. Friendly BANNED BANNED

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2012
    Messages:
    388
    Likes Received:
    480
    Half your text was juvenile bullshit and I dismissed you. Then I re-read your post and realized the other 1/2 of your text is a REALLY GOOD IDEA. Leading the post with a stupid, pop-culture reference to a lame movie where God and Angels destroy everything has absolutely nothing to do with your idea, which is to create some kind of trusted organization that uses verifiable identification to ensure honest business practices.

    A sort of International Better Business Bureau. A damn good idea. I think that, once other businesses become aware of it's existence, those that can claim membership to an organization like that will have a competitive advantage over those that do not. International commerce is high-risk, and mitigating risk increases profits.

    I'd throw in the idea of setting up some kind of insurance or bonding, so that if in the event that a Member did commit some kind of fraud, after an Administrative review, there could be some kind of compensation fund. "Fraud Insurance", if you will.
     
  16. Amsterdammer

    Amsterdammer Power Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2011
    Messages:
    515
    Likes Received:
    563
    You do realize those organizations already exist and are being exploited by scammers right?
    Trusted people get a sign of approval, the simplest form is the chamber of commerce. It is also where the big money is to be made...
    Noting that problem people set up separate organizations to protect people and scammers adapted making even more profit since they now had the "trust factor" taken care of by others...
     
  17. unknownn

    unknownn BANNED BANNED

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2008
    Messages:
    826
    Likes Received:
    605
    on a blackhatboard ID's ?I guess bought ones :)
     
  18. Black.Star

    Black.Star Junior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2011
    Messages:
    185
    Likes Received:
    1,028
    Occupation:
    IT security specialist
    Location:
    Europe
    Looks like you got manipulated to the point where you give up freedom and privacy for safety.
    Sad to see....

    [​IMG]
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  19. ipwned

    ipwned Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2012
    Messages:
    270
    Likes Received:
    105
    Location:
    Your Dad's Boxers
    Legion is a quality movie.

    That is all.
     
  20. madoctopus

    madoctopus Supreme Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2010
    Messages:
    1,249
    Likes Received:
    3,498
    Occupation:
    Full time IM
    Dude you're so naive. The world IS already perfect, you just can't handle perfection and want to change everybody else to be how you want them to be, because you feel small and weak. The instance everybody in the world would be fair, you would rise up and go blackhat on their asses. I am willing to bet on that!

    While I am quite anti-religion, I can not refrain myself from remembering the part where Jesus says something along the lines of "who has no sins should throw the rock" or something like that. I know religion talk is not allowed on the forum so I am going to ask everybody to look at that quote purely from a philosophical perspective. Point is every single one of us did shit at some point and will do shit at some future point in our life. Demanding or expecting a human to be grown up enough not to make mistakes is simply naive. People even hurt those they love most and you expect them to manage to be fair and all that towards everybody? Really?! GTFO, you're on the wrong planet...

    "If the Universe allows it, it will exist, regardless of what a human thinks about it." - MadOctopus