Anonymously buying a domain from njal.la

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My former employee was extremely proud of a domain he had bought almost 20 years ago. Turns out, he forgot to renew it and it's currently pending deletion. It's going to be available in a week. Hopefully, he won't remember to renew it.

Has anyone of you used https://njal.la/? The domain in question is country-based, for example .de (Germany). Those of you, that used it, is it really anonymous? I know I could buy the domain regularly with whois protection. That won't work as he's employed in the department that takes care of the national domains and I'm pretty sure he can see who actually registered it.

Currently, I do not have any specific plans for the domain. I will probably sell it and get paid via bitcoin. Hell, if my dear ol' boss decides to buy it, I'll gladly sell it to him for double the price.
 
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njal.la is mostly used for DMCA protection as they register domains with their own name & details. Even if your boss or someone else digs into who is data, they find info of njal.la as they bought the domain for you. You can also buy it from Porkbun and use fake details.

Such domains usually go into auctions, so I don't think if it can be bought after expiry. Just check the domain in registrat website or expired domains to see if it's going to be auctioned. However, country domains have less demand in comparison to top TLDs, so you won't have much competition even if it gets auctioned.
 
i would suggest to remind your old employee to buy it again, small gesture will make you good indeed, such domains mostly goes in auction so it will be useless for both of you,
 
Should it really be a .de domain (in case this wasn't just a random example), you won't be able to buy and register it via Njal.la. But if it is a domain that is available via third party registrars, Njal.la is anonymous since you don't officially own the domain. You just have a contract with Njal.la that you can use the domain and that they will transfer it to you whenever you want.
 
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legion85 said:
That won't work as he's employed in the department that takes care of the national domains and I'm pretty sure he can see who actually registered it.
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If he wants to find out, he can anyway find out. Even he can get that domain suspended if he works in that department.
 
MisterXYZ said:
If he wants to find out, he can anyway find out. Even he can get that domain suspended if he works in that department.
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hmmm, thanks for reminding me to check if he has it copyrighted but I doubt it.
 
MisterXYZ said:
If he wants to find out, he can anyway find out. Even he can get that domain suspended if he works in that department.
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Actually, if the OP uses Njal.la the former owner won't be able to find out that the OP controls the domain since he won't be the official owner. And if he suspends the domain for no valid reason, he risks a formal complaint. The effectiveness of such a complaint is naturally dependant on the country.
 
Songhort said:
Actually, if the OP uses Njal.la the former owner won't be able to find out that the OP controls the domain since he won't be the official owner. And if he suspends the domain for no valid reason, he risks a formal complaint. The effectiveness of such a complaint is naturally dependant on the country.
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It is country specific domain and OP's ex-boss works in the department that takes care of the national domains.

OP's ex-boss can always request owner information from registrar and registrar can not say no that.
 
MisterXYZ said:
It is country specific domain and OP's ex-boss works in the department that takes care of the national domains.

OP's ex-boss can always request owner information from registrar and registrar can not say no that.
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Exactly, but that's the point about Njal.la. So OP's ex-boss requests owner information from the registrar, and the registrar happily obliges and sends him said information - which is 1337 LLC from Nevis (the company behind Njal.la). There's no way for OP's ex-boss to deduct that actually the OP is controlling the domain.
 
Songhort said:
Exactly, but that's the point about Njal.la. So OP's ex-boss requests owner information from the registrar, and the registrar happily obliges and sends him said information - which is 1337 LLC from Nevis (the company behind Njal.la). There's no way for OP's ex-boss to deduct that actually the OP is controlling the domain.
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Do you think Njal.la will give that answer to a national domain controller and still work with that domain controller.

Njal.la is dependent on domain controller.
 
MisterXYZ said:
Do you think Njal.la will give that answer to a national domain controller and still work with that domain controller.

Njal.la is dependent on domain controller.
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The national domain controller can only ask who the OWNER of the domain is, and that's always Njal.la. If the domain controller asks whether someone else is using the domain, they will say no and that's it. If they revealed the information of their users, they'd have to close shop right away because then nobody would use their service anymore.

You can see some examples on their website where big companies and national police authorities tried to get the info of their customers and they just told them to either sue them in Sweden or gtfo.

The national domain controller has no legal base to sue them since they are the rightful owner of the domain and everything else is speculation. Also, they are not dependent on any domain controller since they don't earn their money selling domains, they earn with their VPS offers and other services. Hence, they don't work together with the German domain controller and some others where registering a domain is subject to stricter rules.
 
I think you are not getting my point.

They can say no to big companies and other authorities.

But they can not say no domain controller.

Domain controller will simply remove Njal.la as registrar.

What will Njal.la do then?
 
I am getting your point very well. But you don't seem to understand how Njal.la works.

1. They aren't a registrar. They go to a registrar, register the domain you want to have, and then let you use it. They are a regular customer.

2. Even if they get somehow blocked by a national domain controller from registering such a domain, they won't care. There are dozens of other domain extensions they can still offer. Like they don't offer .de domains, but they don't care. So what's worse - not being able to offer a single domain extension or having to close shop entirely because their customers know that their information will be revealed as soon as the company gets pressured?

Also: We are talking about an employee who forgot to renew his private website so someone else registered it. Tough luck! There's no legal ground for taking any official action anyway. But even if they did, they wouldn't be successful.
 
True, and maybe this has something to do with why Njal.la doesn't offer them. Although in principle you don't rely on whois privacy anyway when you use Njal.la. But generally, the laws in Germany are very unfavourable for anyone who wants to operate websites or services privately on the internet.
 
stromind said:
i would suggest to remind your old employee to buy it again, small gesture will make you good indeed, such domains mostly goes in auction so it will be useless for both of you,
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This^. Such gestures goes long way in your career development. The only exception is if your ex-boss was really big asshole.
 
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