hxxp://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/hxxp://www.whatismyreferer.com/ Is there any reason to not use this in combination with DMR or in my case TMR? so in my case it would look like this: <iframe src=" hxxp://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/hxxp://www.mycheesewheel.com/dmr.html " /> so anonymouse acts as an extra layer of defense... if they for whatever reason pass on the referer then there are still the "test" "try" and "dump" layers. Keep in mind that my naughtyURL stuffs from an IMG tag like its thankgiving dinner (1/8 of the time) and my good url just shows the image. The naughtyURL caches ip appresses for the day and if it has seen you before it just shows the image. The idea is that if a single computer thought something was up they would have to try for several days to reproduce the event because there is no guarantee that you'll be in the 1/8 that even see the DMR frame. The dump URL is just the good image... Good set up? Or what am I missing? Thanks!