[AMA] SMS Marketing & RoboCalling

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How can I find such a provider? Could you provide some tutorial on this stuff or something?

I already thought about getting one of these multi SIM modems and buying SIM cards with a cheap contract or something, but it seems there is a better way?
 
How can I find such a provider? Could you provide some tutorial on this stuff or something?

I already thought about getting one of these multi SIM modems and buying SIM cards with a cheap contract or something, but it seems there is a better way?

I don't think you'll find any tutorial about this,
Just search and with some luck, you will find one,

If you can run your SIM farm and get a good price (less than 25% from the price of a direct route on that country) it will be a better option,
But you should test the right Carrier and the right plan to go with.
 
Hi @The Gambler , got my dinstar today.
One question, suppose that I use available bulk sms software in market. Means no personalization that making it unique each msg,
Will the number possibly blocked? I meant, common practice in whatsapp/messenger broadcast, when you're sending mass amount of exactly same message will easily got banned.

Nb: target is not in 1 / 2 nd tier country.
 
Hi @The Gambler , got my dinstar today.
One question, suppose that I use available bulk sms software in market. Means no personalization that making it unique each msg,
Will the number possibly blocked? I meant, common practice in whatsapp/messenger broadcast, when you're sending mass amount of exactly same message will easily got banned.

Nb: target is not in 1 / 2 nd tier country.

Hi,
It depends on your SIM operator,
Even if it says Unlimited, it's actually limited (99% of the times),
I would need to know more info about your SIM operator and country + the country you're sending to so I can give you more info about it,
If you don't want to share info publicly, feel free to send me a PM.
 
How effective is SMS marketing in getting back more money that's left on the table. For ecom stores.
 
How effective is SMS marketing in getting back more money that's left on the table. For ecom stores.

It depends on your list,
If you can find a targeted list aligned with your products, then you'll get the best return you'll ever see from any other source.

Yeah, I did some research and seems like a lot of sims will be needed to blast good SMS volume in EU :/

Yes, and if you don't know how to do it right you can get in some serious troubles in the EU & US.
 
Yes, and if you don't know how to do it right you can get in some serious troubles in the EU & US.

Yeah good point. I will be attending some telecom event shortly. Do you have any tips how to find grey routes ?

Thanks!
 
Yeah good point. I will be attending some telecom event shortly. Do you have any tips how to find grey routes ?

Thanks!

Just search and try, that's all I can say.
 
For RoboCalling using sim cards you're going to need:

I will not advise you to SPAM a US or Euro phone list especially if it's not opt-in, you should be a little creative here or you'll get in some serious troubles,
The best practice here is to set up an autoresponder system:
  1. You send a simple SMS without any URL or contacts info, just asking if the receiver is interested in an offer
  2. If the receiver reply with an SMS, then you send him more info: URL or phone number or you can contact him via phone call
The same thing applies to RoboCalling.

If you have any more questions, you're welcome to ask here.


Care to elaborate on the risks for spamming SMS to US numbers? What should you avoid other, than previously stated? If you have a list and allow them to opt-out with the first message is there anything you should worry about? Or is the original opt-in the most important thing?

I have a highly targeted niche US list of names, email, mobile, employer, address and a few other details and would like to do some CPA or affiliate marketing to them, providing content lockered things they will find beneficial and/or the VERY occasional product promotion for something that really does help them, I don't imagine they will see it as terrible spam, but they won't be familiar with me at all. They didn't exactly opt-in directly to what this list is going to be used for now, but previously provided info willingly. I'm open to blackhat methods as well as white or grey, is my best bet using my own script and an API or an actual full-service provider, or a combination, or something entirely different? I'm at the starting level, but have a VERY nice niche list that is geographically targeted down to the city, and would like to put this to good use without any ramifications. I know how to be anonymous online if that helps with some of the blackhat options, but I'm really just not sure of where to point my ship at this point.
 
Care to elaborate on the risks for spamming SMS to US numbers? What should you avoid other, than previously stated? If you have a list and allow them to opt-out with the first message is there anything you should worry about? Or is the original opt-in the most important thing?

I have a highly targeted niche US list of names, email, mobile, employer, address and a few other details and would like to do some CPA or affiliate marketing to them, providing content lockered things they will find beneficial and/or the VERY occasional product promotion for something that really does help them, I don't imagine they will see it as terrible spam, but they won't be familiar with me at all. They didn't exactly opt-in directly to what this list is going to be used for now, but previously provided info willingly. I'm open to blackhat methods as well as white or grey, is my best bet using my own script and an API or an actual full-service provider, or a combination, or something entirely different? I'm at the starting level, but have a VERY nice niche list that is geographically targeted down to the city, and would like to put this to good use without any ramifications. I know how to be anonymous online if that helps with some of the blackhat options, but I'm really just not sure of where to point my ship at this point.

Spamming SMS is the easiest way to get a lawsuit,
Original opt-in + an unsubscribe option is always the way to go if you want to do it whitehat.

What I can suggest here is the following:
  • Try to use a grey route, you'll find plenty by searching, but try to pay anonymously, so if they get a lawsuit they can't trace you. And do the same to the domain name you're using...
  • If you want to use your own SIM cards setup, don't send the promotion directly, send a dummy SMS first (Hi, how are you doing? are you interested in an offer in [YOUR NICHE]...), when you receive a reply from the number, configure your script to send a 2nd SMS that includes the link and more info... (Autoresponder Style).
 
For RoboCalling using sim cards you're going to need:
  • Hardware:
  • GSM Gateway: You can look in Aliexpress for a GSM Gateway with multiple ports (Ex: 4 ports will need 4 sim = 4 concurrent calls)
  • Server: If you're using 4-8 ports a laptop with 4GB+ Ram, i3 is going to do the trick, if you're going for 16+ ports I recommend using a Desktop server
  • A Good router: this is optional but recommended especially if you're going to use more then 1 GSM Gateway
  • Software:
    • If you want the basic setup: Centos with GoAutoDial
    • If you want advanced setup: You should hire someone to develop a solution for you (It will cost $1K+ depend on your needs)
If you have any more questions or you need guidance you're welcome to ask here.



Yes, SMS Marketing can help you,
Sorry, I can't PM you because I don't sell or recommend anything here,
If you have any questions please ask here so everyone can benefit from the answers.



Actually this is a good point,
If you're spamming, even your main domain will get blacklisted,
the solution I did is a little complicated but it gives you more control,
I've developed a script (Something similar to BitLy) but using multiple domains (Fresh domains owned by me),
And I've developed a function that generates a unique URL for each SMS sent,
Ex:
  1. Number 1 -> Hello, bla bla bla www.domain.com/KJDHQS38s
  2. Number 2 -> Hello, bla bla bla www.domain.com/DIUQD7SJx
  3. Number 3 -> Hello, bla bla bla www.domain2.com/HFKDJFx8x
  4. ....
This way I can generate a very detailed report for my costumers, and they can track the numbers that clicked on the links.
This solution is only used when the client uses his own list,
And it helped the clients detect the inactive numbers so they can stop sending SMS to cut the cost.

For your second question, please give me more details, because Email to SMS can refer to multiple things.



I was using a mix of GSM Gateways & 3rd platforms (Depend on the clients need and the cost),
And I developed my own platform that integrates all the solutions so the client can log in and send the SMS directly.

Until today, I didn't have any client that requested a Voicemail drop, so I really can't tell you if it's going to work for you or not,
My guess is to spend the money to build a RoboCall system,
If you're going to develop your own solution, I think you can integrate both, I even integrated the SMS with Robocalls (If the call receiver clicks 1, the system automatically send him an SMS after the call with more info or URL...) the possibilities are endless.

There are no Spam traps in SMS, but if you're spamming a URL or a phone number, there's a high chance of blacklist it, so when you send any SMS containing that Number or URL you're SMS will not be delivered even if the system shows it's delivered.

I will not advise you to SPAM a US or Euro phone list especially if it's not opt-in, you should be a little creative here or you'll get in some serious troubles,
The best practice here is to set up an autoresponder system:
  1. You send a simple SMS without any URL or contacts info, just asking if the receiver is interested in an offer
  2. If the receiver reply with an SMS, then you send him more info: URL or phone number or you can contact him via phone call
The same thing applies to RoboCalling.

If you have any more questions, you're welcome to ask here.
How many fresh domains for example would you recommend for a campaign of 10,000 sends?
 
Thanks for answering my questions. I'm going to start creating a new tracker domain and dashboard now.
 
I did some whitehat SMS marketing for a customer in Germany. Real brick and mortar store, customers opted in for SMS. We sent newsletters to all customers where the email bounced or we didn't have an email on file.

The problem is that SMS is really expensive in Germany, around 0.07 Eur per message. I used a SMS Gateway (cns24) but this is very bad for black hat spam, because you have to register with address and pay by bank. In the case of spam they will block the account and threaten with a 10000 Eur lawsuit... don't want to try my luck here.

As an alternative I used the Envaya App on an android smartphone. It connects to a gateway (I made a own one in PHP) and polls for outbox SMS and then sends them via the phone's SIM. While it is easy (but a bit expensive) to get anonymous SIMs, the problem is that the 10 Eur SMS "flatrate" is not really a flatrate but fails after around 400 SMS per month(O2/Telefonica). maybe other providers can send more. 10 Eur for 400 SMS is still 0.025 Eur per SMS. probably not worth it for spammy messages.
 
I did some whitehat SMS marketing for a customer in Germany. Real brick and mortar store, customers opted in for SMS. We sent newsletters to all customers where the email bounced or we didn't have an email on file.

The problem is that SMS is really expensive in Germany, around 0.07 Eur per message. I used a SMS Gateway (cns24) but this is very bad for black hat spam, because you have to register with address and pay by bank. In the case of spam they will block the account and threaten with a 10000 Eur lawsuit... don't want to try my luck here.

As an alternative I used the Envaya App on an android smartphone. It connects to a gateway (I made a own one in PHP) and polls for outbox SMS and then sends them via the phone's SIM. While it is easy (but a bit expensive) to get anonymous SIMs, the problem is that the 10 Eur SMS "flatrate" is not really a flatrate but fails after around 400 SMS per month(O2/Telefonica). maybe other providers can send more. 10 Eur for 400 SMS is still 0.025 Eur per SMS. probably not worth it for spammy messages.
Yeah to be honest I would only do whitehat, unless you live in the Netherlands (or not in the EU/North America) because they have some hilarious laws. Always convert your lists to opt-ins before marketing them, saves you a lot of headaches, plus those are the leads you'll primary want anyway.
 
Hello everyone,

The purpose of this thread is to share my knowledge with the members of BHW,
I'm not selling any services or guides,
Please don't PM me asking for any services.


I was running a successful business in the SMS Marketing & RoboCalling Business (As a service for high-end clients).

Last year I decided to switch to another business (Digital Marketing Agency & Whitehat SMS Marketing).

In the past, I was doing BlackHat Marketing (SMS Spamming & RoboCalling) but to specific countries (Where regulations where a little easy to deal with) and I was doing it for clients (Some of them are very known brands),
I'm also working now with multiple brands to integrate SMS Marketing solutions (SAAS, eCommerce, Dropshippers...)

I will not refer you to any services, so please don't ask me about any recommendations, do your research because this depends on the country & the price you're willing to pay.

If you want to integrate SMS marketing into your funnel, just give me a broad idea of what you're doing so I can give you the best advice.

To give you an idea about what I was doing in the past:
  1. Getting clients in specific countries.
  2. Scrapping phone numbers depending on the client's niche.
  3. Sending SMS via SIM cards & Grey routes OR installing a RoboCall system depends on the client's needs.
How would you recommend doing this for a local service based business?
 
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