Alternative to Stealth paypal accounts

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Hey guys,

As title suggests, Since creating a stealth paypal account is very hard nowadays, what other options we can have for businesses who are not supported by most of the Payment processors.
My business comes under little high risk. So what option i can have for payment processing. My monthly volume is around $10k-15k with 10-15% chargeback ratio.


Thanks
 
Hey guys,

As title suggests, Since creating a stealth paypal account is very hard nowadays, what other options we can have for businesses who are not supported by most of the Payment processors.
My business comes under little high risk. So what option i can have for payment processing. My monthly volume is around $10k-15k with 10-15% chargeback ratio.


Thanks
That dispute rate is very high, what do you sell?
 
Hey guys,

As title suggests, Since creating a stealth paypal account is very hard nowadays, what other options we can have for businesses who are not supported by most of the Payment processors.
My business comes under little high risk. So what option i can have for payment processing. My monthly volume is around $10k-15k with 10-15% chargeback ratio.


Thanks
With a 10–15% chargeback rate, most mainstream processors will decline you—focus on legitimate high-risk payment processors that explicitly support your industry and work on reducing disputes first.
Avoid “stealth” accounts; instead improve fraud screening, clear refund policies, and consider alternatives like crypto or wire transfers while stabilizing your chargeback ratio.
 
With a 10–15% chargeback rate, most mainstream processors will decline you—focus on legitimate high-risk payment processors that explicitly support your industry and work on reducing disputes first.
Avoid “stealth” accounts; instead improve fraud screening, clear refund policies, and consider alternatives like crypto or wire transfers while stabilizing your chargeback ratio.
Yes. We are working on refund policies and improving our services. 90% of the customers like to pay with paypal or their credit cards. Is there easy way to buy crypto with card instantly? because they call us during the order placement. and we can guide them through the process if theres any easy way.
 
That dispute rate is very high, what do you sell?
We sell service related to SMM . we are working hard to improve more quality of our service. But orders are coming through in good speed. but we are struggling with processing.
 
Hey guys,

As title suggests, Since creating a stealth paypal account is very hard nowadays, what other options we can have for businesses who are not supported by most of the Payment processors.
My business comes under little high risk. So what option i can have for payment processing. My monthly volume is around $10k-15k with 10-15% chargeback ratio.


Thanks
You need to get that chb rate down mate via pre emptive refunds and de escalation with customers, even mis coding psps will kick you out with these metrics as it's a risk to their whole infrastructure.

Stealth paypal is imo an exercise in vain, it's better to create a company outright and create a paypal account in the companies name.

Stealth account is technically money laundering if push comes to shove.
 
Hey guys,

As title suggests, Since creating a stealth paypal account is very hard nowadays, what other options we can have for businesses who are not supported by most of the Payment processors.
My business comes under little high risk. So what option i can have for payment processing. My monthly volume is around $10k-15k with 10-15% chargeback ratio.


Thanks
Bro you need to find trigger for that 10-15% and get rid of it, maybe if its a first time buyers who do chargebacks - you can switch them to some high risk processor tbh is the best option for you, then you can use paypal
 
Bro you need to find trigger for that 10-15% and get rid of it, maybe if its a first time buyers who do chargebacks - you can switch them to some high risk processor tbh is the best option for you, then you can use paypal
Yeah, FTD to high risk (but even they wanna see reasonable chb rates, even 2 percent is too high) and TT to PayPal, I'd do everything via high risk processors anyway
 
Bro you need to find trigger for that 10-15% and get rid of it, maybe if its a first time buyers who do chargebacks - you can switch them to some high risk processor tbh is the best option for you, then you can use paypal
Yes. we are already working on it. Having a separate team to call the customers and explain everything before taking the payments. and we have seen good results since then. but still looking for alternatives so i can change the direct chargeback to refund requests. We have no problem sending the refunds at all.
 
What other payment options i can have for my customers. I had enabled crypto too. But 90% of the customers want to use their credit card or paypal.
You need to get that chb rate down mate via pre emptive refunds and de escalation with customers, even mis coding psps will kick you out with these metrics as it's a risk to their whole infrastructure.

Stealth paypal is imo an exercise in vain, it's better to create a company outright and create a paypal account in the companies name.

Stealth account is technically money laundering if push comes to shove.
 
Yes. we are already working on it. Having a separate team to call the customers and explain everything before taking the payments. and we have seen good results since then. but still looking for alternatives so i can change the direct chargeback to refund requests. We have no problem sending the refunds at all.
then work around the UX actually - tell users commit users not to chargeback but to refund. Place some button or link with Instant Refund label or so, like basically its a pain to workaround you will lose some customers, but overall in long run you will earn for sure, good luck anyways
 
We sell service related to SMM . we are working hard to improve more quality of our service. But orders are coming through in good speed. but we are struggling with processing.
You have PayPal account for sell or rent?
 
Yes. we are already working on it. Having a separate team to call the customers and explain everything before taking the payments. and we have seen good results since then. but still looking for alternatives so i can change the direct chargeback to refund requests. We have no problem sending the refunds at all.
let me check this one.
Not really. I'm looking for alternatives for myself.
What other payment options i can have for my customers. I had enabled crypto too. But 90% of the customers want to use their credit card or paypal.
Please use the multi-quote feature here How to Use the Multi-Quote Feature on BHW.
 
What other payment options i can have for my customers. I had enabled crypto too. But 90% of the customers want to use their credit card or paypal.
Well, there is Klarna, but that one is even more dangerous than cards, instant SEPA is subject to recalls without explanation up to 9 months, you cannot do that with the current complaint rates, I would not use them anyway.
The safe options are so called high risk processors, I better not write about that here, but they are generally creative about MCC declarations, they do more or less what WireCard was doing to pack some high risk TX into the pools before it all went bust, the principle is the same.

Beware, there a re very many scammer PSP offering this service, or resellers, do never deal with resellers and do the effort to meet the people in person at expos or upon a good friends recommendation. Resellers will often offer rates lower than is possible, that is the give away for exit scam ops. Some are also just naive and not good at this and they blow up whole MIDs.

As a general rule of thumb, operating such a system costs 5% of volume already, then you have settlement routing which isx 0.5% to 2% on top of that, then custom anti fraud and decline engine which is a real cost, sometimes marked up, sometimes not.

If someone tells you 6% including settlement, it is either the king of the market or a scammer, if they tell you 5%, it is either a scammer or on ramp via crypto, which is useless for this purpose.

Make sure to be ready for the chat, aka how do you monitor for fraud, how do you intervene etc. You got to know the precise answers to these or else they will not onboard, keep in mind 100k pcm is nothing for these people, 100k per month in revenue is likely not worth to them, I have hgeard through the grapevine that 200-300k pcm is where they say alright, if potential trajectory is upwards. The last thing they want is someone blow up a MID and have all customer funds held back by the banks. Some will onboard less volume, for a higher RR or MDR or if it is soem "I know this guy" introduction.

I have to really empathize, do not use any one of them unless you know them personally, meeting them persoanlly at expo will cost 1000usd in travel and hotel etc, but it is kind of mandatory spending, do not sign up based on a recommendation , even if it comes from a payment orchestration platform.
 
You need to get that chb rate down mate via pre emptive refunds and de escalation with customers, even mis coding psps will kick you out with these metrics as it's a risk to their whole infrastructure.

Stealth paypal is imo an exercise in vain, it's better to create a company outright and create a paypal account in the companies name.

Stealth account is technically money laundering if push comes to shove.
Yes it is money laundering
 
There are scammers with lower dispute rate
 
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