Ahrefs vs. Majestic RDs

Mysterious Stranger · Sep 30, 2019

It's great that on this forum also exsists expierienced SEO's like @Purush or @FatBee with good background of knowledge - maybe (when you will stop to be such stubborn with your incompetence) - you can learn something from them.

GregFromMoonsy said:
In compare to you, I am learning from Google patents and as software engineer I am exactly understand how it working.
But you repeating only the myths, which you learned on some blogs, such Neil Patel blog.

As I said - I don't care, who you are - you are bumbling with no sense. If you are learning from Google in the game, where we are trying to cheat algo - you won't go far.

I am not repeating the myths and not learning from any blogs. My only learning is by practice.

"but not affecting Google ranking at all - because not affecting Google PageRank.
So, your "properly used useless backlinks" are useful for purpose of increasing Ahrefs DR, but not the Google ranking." - bulls* - when I see growing organic traffic and growing number of KW's (and their positions in SERP), made by those BL's - I know, they are working properly and site is ranking well - that's all

Neptune's Kiss · Sep 30, 2019

GregFromMoonsy said:
At first, Majestic have topics, which also is used by Google (aka topic distance)
For second, Majestic have trust metric, which also is used by Google (even in similar way)
For third, Majestic have the biggest link history data.

But Majestic haven't any keywords data.
And this is the place, where Semrush come into the action with the biggest keywords history data.
Semrush also have link data, but it's very poor.

Ahrefs have limited keywords data and haven't the topics and trust metric.
However when we consider the cost of Majestic + Semrush - Ahrefs is much cheaper but without very important metrics.

For the above reasons professionals use team Majestic + Semrush.

Cheers, Greg.

Thank you for your reply. My intention was not to be confrontational but to understand better.

BigGSeo · Sep 30, 2019

Ahmed for back links check no alternative

FatBee · Sep 30, 2019

GregFromMoonsy said:
@FatBee

Maybe you not finished any school and for this reason it's very hard to you compare really big numbers such:

8 485 618 151 026 Majestic pages in index
149 000 000 000 Ahrefs pages in index

And OK, Ahrefs in your opinion have biggest index, mr mathematic/seo guru FatBee
In reality you are not able even to compare such big numbers, what you confirmed.

Really, I am tired from such beginners who repeating only the myths.
Because I am based on facts not the fake propaganda as you love.

For all the rest of stupidity in your post, even I don't want to waste time to comment, because it's much more than really funny,
without any confirmation in reality, as on example above.

And Yes, for people like you was created DR and DA.

Cheers, Greg.

I wont spend time reading the full post.

You are comparing HISTORIC vs LIVE database. Nuff said.

and one more thing, WHY ahrefs reports much more links even MONTHS after the initial link building process is done and not a new single link is built.

also the number you put there is CONTENT not actual indexed links.

and its more obv that you are unable to read data.

Also, i just noticed that Mathew posted another “review” after the OBV sponsored post.
https://www.matthewwoodward.co.uk/seo/tools/ahrefs-vs-majestic/

soa0611 · Sep 30, 2019

GregFromMoonsy said:
Ahrefs don't have TF

you know, from my recent experience, TF seems to be a bit toy metric as well as DA and DR

GregFromMoonsy · Oct 1, 2019

@Neptune's Kiss - thank you, my intention was the reliable compare mentioned services, as simple as possible.
However, if you would like to get full options - You need Guru plan at Semrush($200) + PRO plan at Majestic ($95)
Without them, you not will get the access to history data (the most valuable)

@Mysterious Stranger @FatBee - seems, you are this kind of people, who know everything but don't understand absolutely nothing.
Especially in context of SEO and Google ranking algorithm. Some facts:

Mysterious Stranger said:
If you are learning from Google in the game, where we are trying to cheat algo - you won't go far.

I am just cooperative with Google algo instead of "cheat". The rules are easy:

I am giving the algo what Google values very much
Algo giving me the top positions which I values very much.
I am not creating any shit backlinks, which Google algo hate and is able to quickly detect them.

In other words, we're very good friends and this friendship is extremally profitable for me and my customers.
And for this reason, from late 2009 (when I created my first PBN) Google not deindexed/banned any single page.

So, your anxiety really don't have any confirmation in reality, same as all the rest of your fairy tales.
Also, we are on BHW in "Black Hat SEO" section, seems you are here by mistake and you should register on Google webmasters forum.

FatBee said:
TTF is bullshit... i have alot of Health related backlinks...[from]...Tech site

A lot of beginners who don't understand TTF and even don't know that Google use it, have also a lot of such backlinks.
Any person who is just a bit more intelligent than a house chicken, is able to understand why Google use TTF

The reason is pretty simple: each "health" site mentioned by you have much more % of backlinks from sites related to health.
Big difference in ratio here is pretty clear signal for Google that your links are fake.

If the distance between the topics are higher - PageRank is reduced, as the result you need for example 10x more links to get same result.
And even you will get them, Google algo will catch you - because it's unnatural.

Pretty simple and very effective algorithm to catch all kind of SEO amateurs on unnatural link building.
Sites related to health with natural links have the correct topics with the highest trust for mentioned topic, for example:

Cheers, Greg.

FatBee · Oct 1, 2019

Then I'm wondering what the fuck you are doing here while you can rank #1 in 3 minutes based on your theory and knowledge of how Google works, which, is total bullshit.

Congratz, you almost win an Online battle which prooves what type of "intellectual being" you are.

TF/CF is fake.
PA/DA Is Fake.
DR/PR (ahrefs) is fake.

TTF is also bullshit and never was proved to be working.

Facts:

Been using Expired Web 2.0s for ages, most of them which were Adult before I re-register them. This proves your theory So wrong on many levels. (No, I'm not using any PBN)

I'm in Niche Health, still ranking. Even better than authority sites.

@GregFromMoonsy Now, since you are an engineer I guess you are also a developer.

Go get us a tool, that gathers all this FAKE data and provide a REAL PR (PageRank lets call it) that based on your theories should tell us where we fucked up with our link building strategy and what we need in order to outrank our competitors.

And based on your knowledge you are a dude that relay on public info with 0 tests done, and im more than sure that your claims are 99% false or just a public documents that cover everything in the backend and the sad part is that you trust them.

Based on how you reply, it's more than obv that you are trying to do well-written reply which in most cases shows HUGE insecurity and backing up your story with false facts that were never proven to work is just bad strategy to win a discussion that you can prove it's legit.

I'm more than sure that if I came up with some bullshit that does not even exist in the real world and it's only in my head, you will try to fight on that one 2.

This will be my last reply, since you are waste of time, and I bet you are banging your head against a wall since there is an answer on everything you reply, and somehow is more relevant than what you say.

Good day, MR. I Know Everything.

Oh yes, one more thing. NOBODY like NOBODY will rank with 100% related links. So TTF or not, we gonna rank. Now go back to content writing cause i can see you are good at it.

GregFromMoonsy · Oct 1, 2019

FatBee said:
Then I'm wondering what the fuck you are doing here while you can rank #1 in 3 minutes

Here three important reasons :
1) Very limited number of expiring domains which have enough power for my topics.
2) Very limited number of blogs which have enough power for my topics for quest posting.
3) I increasing the ranking just a little faster than sites which growing in natural way and by this way Google algo is no able to detect my job.

The SEO is the great tool to transfer $$$ from fast amateurs (who think that know the SEO) to patient professionals (who know the SEO).
And I am one of patient professionals, who cooperate with the Google algo, as I said in previous post.
Because, when the Google axe will fall down - only professionals stay alive - and a lot of people will be crying again.

FatBee said:
TF/CF is fake.
PA/DA Is Fake.
DR/PR (ahrefs) is fake.

TF/CF have great sense if you are able to understand it.
DA/PA + DR/UR if you dividing whole site power by single page power then I can only congrat you.

FatBee said:
Been using Expired Web 2.0s for ages...

It only confirming your very poor SEO knowledge, if you using that amateur and very low effective method.
But what more funny, you giving the "verdict" based on one (or few) your adult sites.

By my crawling system, I am able to compare methods used by fat thousands of PBN sites,
where I exactly see what working and how well it working - and base on it,
I can say that TTF is one of the most effective method (any surprise for me)

But also, by monitoring all PBNs I am able to find great SEO agencies which have
very lucrative contracts with very rich sites - and this is my target.

Because as next step, I can offer them guaranteed SEO results for really nice piece of $$$
without any risk for them.

FatBee said:
0 tests done...never was proved...etc

Who tell you that ?
Seems you are very upset that at least 90% of BHW members can outrank you like a children.
And for this reason your starting creating the fairy tales, same as your friend @Mysterious Stranger

Maybe you should purchase the "Lady Gaga SEO packet" or something like that

Cheers, Greg.

tiiberius · Oct 1, 2019

Ahrefs index is superior in size. Probably the biggest int the world currently.

Also, their URL checking works differently. Make sure you are checking the right version. Checking whole domain will give very different results than specific URL.

Mysterious Stranger · Oct 1, 2019

You are funny GregFromMoonsy. I and FatBee are not a friends (don't know why you are suggesting it), but as I said before - I see, who got real knowledge and who splits bullo** everywhere

If you think you can't rank sites with non topical BL"s or well done profile links / Expired Web 2.0s it only means you are theoretic, not practic in seo field.

It's kinda waste of time trying to convince you, because you are too stubborn.

Profile/non topical links doesn't work? It's kinda strange, because using them I am ranking plenty of sites in many industries. And no, not only "pumping DR", but also organic traffic, topical KW's for sites and in general - their visibility in SERP.

If your really believe in your theories (or rather - fairy tales for me) - stay in your Dream Land with your amazing software. If you will work a little bit harder (for such geniuss it will takes just 30 second I bet - for sure you will change industry with new work like perpetual motion machine, teleport from StarTrek or something like that

).

GregFromMoonsy · Oct 1, 2019

Mysterious Stranger said:
on this forum also exsists expierienced SEO's like @Purush or @FatBee ...

Yeah, your SEO experts are the most successful when it coming about link building:

Purush said:
Today I received the below letter from Google.
Unnatural inbound links to violate Google Webmaster Guidelines. Google has detected a pattern of links from other sites to your site that is either unnatural or irrelevant.
Submit a reconsideration request

FatBee said:
...im in huge panic cuz i have over 500 Links builded to the page and page is ranking nowhere for the main keyword

Can you recommend more experts to follow ? Great entertainment.
Seems, you bet on lame horses

All of them build Expired Web 2.0s same as you, because simply you don't have $$ for solid PBNs.
Sad but true.

Also @FatBee promises in Dec 2015 that "i will invest in PBN soon as i earn some money" - seems, no luck until today.
Because he still using very low effective Web 2.0s.

Cheers, Greg.

Stas Va · Oct 1, 2019

What you mean by RD's ?

I like backlink metrics more on Majestic. But their database and speed of its updating does not go to any comparison with ahrefs. Than makes ahrefs data much more relevant than have any other competitor (Majestic, Semrush, MoZ, Serpstat) .

GregFromMoonsy · Oct 1, 2019

Stas Va said:
ahrefs data much more relevant ...

Reality:

GregFromMoonsy said:
... 8 485 618 151 026 pages in Majestic index
...... 149 000 000 000 pages in Ahrefs index

Majestic absolutely crashing Ahrefs close to 50x
What mean, Ahrefs it's the biggest loser in this battle.

Seems you don't know mathematics same as @FatBee
Also fresh registered profile - just today, wow

Cheers, Greg.

Stas Va · Oct 1, 2019

GregFromMoonsy said:
Reality:

Majestic absolutely crashing Ahrefs close to 50x
What mean, Ahrefs its biggest loser in this battle.

Seems you don't know mathematics same as @FatBee
Also fresh registered profile - just today, wow

Cheers, Greg.

Relevancy is not only about the size. Sure if they don't update referrals enough they will have an amazing base.
Almost for every referral, 10-20 % of data from Majestic is garbage. And checking them you will get 404 answer, what technically means, that those backlinks doesn't exist.
They have amazing metrics, but data is not clean and less relevant than you can get from Semrush and ahrefs.

Also you mentioned in your statistic only fresh index, or that is also their historical index ? Because if this great numbers summ for bought their index, then that's speculation.

Math also can lie. It's always depends from context.

GregFromMoonsy · Oct 1, 2019

Stas Va said:
Relevancy is not only about the size. Sure if they don't update referrals enough they will have an amazing base.
Almost for every referral, 10-20 % of data from Majestic is garbage. And checking them you will get 404 answer, what technically means, that those backlinks doesn't exist.
They have amazing metrics, but data is not clean and less relevant than you can get from Semrush and ahrefs.

Semrush have much smaller index that Majestic.
Also as I tested Ahrefs API, there are also many dead pages in historic index.

However, my crawling system is able to check fat thousands urls in few minutes and check each link.
So, for professionals it's not the problem at all.

Cheers, Greg.

Stas Va · Oct 1, 2019

GregFromMoonsy said:
Semrush have much smaller index that Majestic.
Also as I tested Ahrefs API, there are also many dead pages in historic index.

However, my crawling system is able to check fat thousands urls in few minutes and check each link.
So, for professionals it's not the problem at all.

Cheers, Greg.

Nobody uses Historic index, except very specific tasks for marketers, when they need to understand the history of backlink profile or trying to redo some of them.

Can I get link to your system ? It's public ? I am very interested in such tool.
Usually when you try to crawl links directly, and make it so fast... you need to make lots of requests on referral sites. And by this process you crush lots of referrals on cheap servers or outdated scripts. And your crawler get 503 answer instead data you want to crawl. A big limit for my team we can't resolve well enough for a long time period.

GregFromMoonsy · Oct 1, 2019

Stas Va said:
Nobody uses Historic index, except very specific tasks for marketers

You are wrong even double.
Did you know the difference between fresh and historical index ? Tell me please what exactly it mean in your opinion.
Then I'll explain you why professionals use exactly the historic index.

Stas Va said:
Usually this process crush lots of referrals on cheap servers

Not true, except if you using poor written scripts.

Cheers, Greg.

Purush · Oct 1, 2019

GregFromMoonsy said:
Can you recommend more experts to follow ? Great entertainment.
Seems, you bet on lame horses

Ha ha . Everybody have ups and down. Did u read all my thread. Good. I have shared one thread I am earner of more than six year. Anyone can pinpoint anyone. I don't need to read your all post. This post itself says who u r.

GregFromMoonsy · Oct 1, 2019

Purush said:
Ha ha . Everybody have ups and down. Did u read all my thread. Good. I have shared one thread I am earner of more than six year. Anyone can pinpoint anyone. I don't need to read your all post. This post itself says who u r.

Just I've checked who is the guru recommended by @Mysterious Stranger
Ups and down are only allowed when you doing SEO for own blog, not for seriously customers who by your mistakes can lose huge amount of $$

I can't even imagine such situation when we talking about customers.
And this is why, I am learning from the most trusted source - from Google.

Cheers, Greg.

Stas Va · Oct 1, 2019

GregFromMoonsy said:
You are wrong even double.
Did you know the difference between fresh and historical index ? Tell me please what exactly it mean in your opinion.
Then I'll explain you why professionals use exactly historic index.

Not true, except if you using poor written scripts.

Cheers, Greg.

Fresh index - frequently updated database. I guess 3-4 months in Majestic case. And even using this database you will get lots of garbage outdated backlinks.
Historical Index - index of backlinks with data from the previous eight years. That is updated roughly

I am wrong ?

GregFromMoonsy said:
You are wrong even double.
Did you know the difference between fresh and historical index ? Tell me please what exactly it mean in your opinion.
Then I'll explain you why professionals use exactly historic index.

Not true, except if you using poor written scripts.

Cheers, Greg.

That's so wrong. I can bet with you. That crawling thousands of page you will crush all all sites on shit hostings and made 15 years ago using wordpress outdated plugins and version that have at lease 10 backlinks from them.
For example you have 350 backlinks from some type of guestbook (was popular thousands years ago) from same referral (site/domain). You need to make lots of requests fast to visit all backlinks (pages) you need to crawl them. So you will make 350 requests extremely fast to the same server/hosting.
I cand send you example of referrals that will give you 503, even if you manually will press F5 in a row. So you want to say that your script will not crush this domain and will get all data from there in a instant ? I guess you "a bit exaggerated" speed and productivity of your script.

I have few solutions and methods. But they don't resolve this problem fully.
And we ignore case if you want to crawl internal outgoing links to this pages, to understand the role and link volume this pages is getting. Then I doubt your script even exist.

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