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After setting up Linkwheel, do what?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by BlackSeng, Aug 4, 2009.

  1. BlackSeng

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    After weeks of reading, I've finally set up my linkwheel.

    But now what should I do? Should I find backlinks for the web properties? Or...?
     
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    THis depends on how you have done it...

    If you have only done basic linkwheel, I find adding more web properties pointing to the likes of hubs and wetpaint etc are good...also blogger mini farm with rss feeds works great...

    Rinse and repeat for next keyword...rinse and repeat at least three times over three months...by adding content...also do more tube vids and slideshare...and if able get someone to forum post for you...should cost about $15 for 150
     
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    Thanks for the reply.

    So basically you're saying I should create another linkwheel pointing to the same hub again?
     
  4. Yukinari84

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    you need to promote your link wheel. you need to submit your rss feeds, you need to bookmark your properties, you need to submit articles, videos, etc...

    you can't just set up a link wheel and leave it at that. it won't get you anywhere.
     
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  5. BlackSeng

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    Alright! I thought once I've created my linkwheel I could leave it. LoL!
    Just a newbie here.

    Ok, thanks a lot!
     
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    No problem. This is a common misconception that a lot of people, not only newbies, make.

    Just because you make a link wheel doesn't automatically mean you will rank great in Google. You still need to drive traffic and point backlinks to them to make them rank high.
     
  7. sripat0069

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    I thought making link wheel will itself help, but actually it was not.
    guess was doing the same mistake.:rolleyes:

    Thanks a lot.:)

    regards
    Sripat0069
     
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    that is about as clear as it gets...

    did you know the most "user profiles" in your web2.0 sites have rss feeds themselves and if the web2.0 site has nofollow, chances are that the again user profile's rss does not have the nofollow added :cool:
     
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    I just set up two linkwheels (thank you Lemonarian!) that I just need to publish. I have content written for each of my 6 web 2.0 properties, 3 ezine articles, and 200 backlinks pointing to each page. According the G's keyword tool, there are 450 exact searches for my two terms and 1M pages when I put the terms into G search.

    Will this be enough?? How do you get the rss feeds going?
     
  10. Micallef

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    My personal strategy is to make a large wheel, then see which properties rank initially. Usually, 2 or 3 make it onto the first page after being indexed. It is possible to get lucky straight away but you can't count on it.

    Then, I build high PR backlinks to the properties using comment spam. The average scenario I have found after doing this is having 3-4 properties stick to page 1 after a few months. For these, I will add my affiliate link at the top. I know social bookmarking and RSS feeds are the norm for strengthening linkwheels but I have never done any of this and I would consider my wheels generally successful. Thats not to say, of course, that social bookmarking and RSS is not effective, as so many people recommend it.

    Linkwheels are almost always useful in generating a page 1 presence, but I have found they are useful for increasing the SERP position of cour wheels hub in only about 50% of cases. One thing's for sure though, they really do bring in the green.

    @boozie - I would think that 450 searches is much too low. I tend not to target anything below 5000 - although I must admit that I have generated good income from terms as low as 1000.
     
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  11. boozie

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    Micallef,
    Thank you for your quick reply. This is going to be my first attempt at a linkwheel. But both markets that I am going for are for lifetime signups which could bring in some nice much needed cash. I want to try out the linkwheels on something 'easy' and if successful, try them out on a bigger market. I just want to fine-tune first instead of doing them incorrectly. Thanks given.
     
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    I have one other question. I was able to grab the exact terms I wanted because I am going after a term that is not searched for often. But when I start to go after more searched for terms, I know I am going to have trouble getting the exact terms that I want. Is it important or necessary to have the exact same terms for each 2.0 property point to your hub? For example, from each 2.0 like blogger.com and hubpages.com, would I need to get blogger.com/creditcards and hubpages.com/creditcards or would I get good results with blogger.com/creditcards and hubpages.com/bestcreditcards etc pointing to my hub?
     
  13. Micallef

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    Thats a really interesting question actually. I have found that you can never guarantee what you are going to rank for.

    At issue here are the URL, titles, anchor text on the links and keyword density in the content. I will call these keyword elements for convenience.

    I have created several wheels where I used only the exact keyword for all keyword elements. Some ranked on the keyword in G, some ranked on other keywords but not the target, and some have yet to rank at-all. What's interesting is that I got the same result when I varied my keyword elements in different wheels - for example, using squidoo.com/*****news and hubpages.com/total*****

    For one exact-keyword wheel, I failed to rank at all for the exact keyword but ranked on similar long tails that still brought in great targetted traffic (see thread below)

    For another wheel, I was targetting "xxxxxxxxx promo code" and mixed around my keyword elements quite a bit. Not only did I succeed in ranking for my target and countless long tails, I also ended up ranking for the manufacturer's own keyword by accident even though I had not targetted it, only its promo code deals. This has happened a few times and brings in big income. However, all the times I have pointed my keyword elements toward a 1 word manufacturer I have always been unable to dominate - so far.

    So, the evidence seems to be pointing very slightly in favour of using some variation in your keyword elements. But, thats not to say that you won't succeed with an exact-keyword wheel in the future, and I am going to keep trying them every now and then.

    This thread should be of some help to you: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/100159-unusual-linkwheel-effect.html
     
  14. e121fx

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    There's a method to the madness I've seen and used a few times..
    And don't get me wrong I've wound up on pos3 pg1 of the serp in hours from one blog post with a simple pr1 site in hours.. Doesn't stay unless I campaign to keep it there though.. So, the heavier weight the PR sites you have going back to your main target
    the less continuous maintenance you'll have to do..

    That being said.. This is a mix of black and white.. cause if this much work is involved ya just simply gotta give yourself some credit for the effort right?

    One-five Keyword Phrase

    1. get the properties [see linkwheel explained]
    2. get the content [preferably well spun original] Always longtail phrases..
    3. post the content to the site [no links at all] 1-2 posts/24 hrs.
    4. ping & wait
    5. after 24hrs bookmark 10-20 per every 3-6hrs
    6. wait at least few hrs then ping the bookmarks [found that out 4x-mas] ;)

    Now you're indexed, and updates have no penalty, where links raise flags cloaked or uncloaked.. preferably cloaked from what I'm seeing these dayz..

    6a. Now put the links in there..

    7. Get the RSS feeds collected
    8. Get those articles that start showin in the serps into the article directories
    drip fashion.. make it appear to be going viral.. ping and bookmark those directory submissions.. start small, unless your going for affiliate launch then go for the burn and blaze all the sites afterwards no looking back.. [with links inserted]

    9. Now get that article, and read it into an audio..
    10. Post that audio to podcast sites
    11. Get the RSS feeds collected
    12. Take that audio and pump it into a video with 1slide or be as creative as you wish..
    13. Post the audio to the video sharing sites..[tubemogul?][find TGProfiler 1st]
    14. Get the RSS feeds collected
    15. Um you are pinging and bookmarking the last 2 pcs of media like before. Okay?
    17. Gather all the rss feeds and start aggregating them.. [baddass? or submitterbot]

    Craziest thing I keep seeing is people put the darn articles into the directories and then think thats all they should do.. uh-uh.. make em work.. those directroies are dead unless breathed life into them..

    Start with the normal, EA directory.. get approved 1st..
    Then after 24hrs submit that article to the other directories

    This is a relatively small wheel you want to start with.. 10-20 sites max per/phrase.
    Now get the audio & video and insert those into the ranking sites and P&BM with
    a slight vengence.. If you have created the a/v already? Get those into the web2.o properties.. after all they are 2.o for a reason.. Keyphrase every piece of media on the sites the same or as close to the same...

    Get creative even more.. Photosharing has skyrocketed.. don't kill reddit they're
    going down since we over did it like everything else we do ;p

    Get those pics into the sharing sites and repeat above, and get those
    same images pulled into your web2.o sites..

    Now circle or tree the links so they give gravity to a good mini-site
    or content blog.. Build pr on ur site, not web2.0 property site.. that isn't yours.

    Mix it up.. and have fun.. kick som ass while your at it..
    Remember where you are.. all the tools are available to you to automate
    what would seemingly be the most daunting tasks performed..

    Properties = Network RealEsate He who 0wns the most property wins.

    Aggressive marketing wins every everytime.. pick a big market and a sizable niche.

    Take yer time.. you can own pages of your KW-phrase in the serps.
    Within a month you'll be seeing some traffic to your offer and you can start testing the conversions.. within 3 months? You'll be doing 10x the amount of wheels.. Some ppl do it for you here.. damn worth the few bucks they charge too..

    I don't claim to be a knowing body of knowledge, and most of what I know I've gotten from J. Johnson & howie freakin paid for it too, if you find I missed something hella ya! tell me.. I gotz no ego here.. learning for a living am I. 4evr & evr amen.
     
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    Some nice tips there but I have one criticism: it's overkill. I've been able to dominate by just making the properties and building a few backlinks to them. The social networking, video and photo stuff you're suggesting has not been necessary for me to make money from this. I am sure it all helps but is it worth it?

    Also, regarding the links, I join them all up to begin with. Never had a flag raised with Google.
     
  16. e121fx

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    Right.. I'm hearin ya, like I said..
    "don't get me wrong I've wound up on pos3 pg1 of the serp in hours from one blog post with a simple pr1 site in hours."

    One thing I have noticed recently with google's latest dance.. They're on to the constant post thing.. say ya post everyday so you keep getting indexed quickly or at all.. That Wasn't so recently.. I hadn't posted to a self hosted WP in like freakin months..

    Threw up a post the other day and it skyrocketed for my target phrase within less than 24. Then it scaled back to 2nd page.. within another 24. I didn't want to do anything, b/c I was testing the nature of the positioning without a campaign against it.

    Was interesting data,,

    Anywho.. I won't defend the overkill. so I won't.. by the way Micallef, you freakin ROCK friend..
    peace..
     
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    After you've created the link wheel. Do the following

    - Bookmark every site in your spoke
    - Directory submit every site in your spoke
    - Send the RSS feeds of the spoke to RSS aggreggators

    * Rinse and repeat
     
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