Adwords Click Fraud Unacceptable

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So, I don't want to get into too many details, but there is a competitor of mine who is known to do shady stuff.

He is definitely clicking on my ads, and because the CPCs are so high, it's not negligible.

I have calculated he has actually more than doubled my ad cost from something like $40/day to sometimes over $100.

Tonight, for example, I saw 6 clicks in a 12 minute period from 3AM to 4AM that were all webhost IPs, definitely false clicks - got charged for all of them. At $4/click that is $24.

So, obviously this guy has a system. Google Adwords, I've calculated, catches about 25% of invalid clicks (as opposed to the vast amounts of press they try to push).

I've disabled my ads because I simply cant afford $100 days without conversions because of this guy.

My questions are this:

1) Is it taboo to look to hire someone on here to get someone to return the favor to this jackass? If not, where do I find this service?

2) If it is taboo, what options would you suggest, aside from generally just working on monopolizing the free search listings?

Thanks guys.
 
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There's definitely tons of blatant clickfraud that Google should be catching.

I would:
* keep a record of all the fraud clicks: log file entries, IPs, reverse DNS for the IPs / hosts, referrers, dates and times, user agent / browser fingerprinting info eg. screen resolution info etc, click path through site etc. If you can show a) they originate from a hosting company b) they don't have javascript enabled c) they display bot-like clicking behaviour then you have a strong case for click fraud.
* make a click fraud complaint to G about them - hopefully G will start filtering those clicks a bit better or at least refund you some clicks.
* find some cheaper and more obscure keywords ($4 / click leaves you little room for error)
* if all else fails, click fraud the fuck out of the cunt, just don't get caught. You could probably just use fiverr, mechanical turk etc.

I am generally against sabotaging the competition, but from my own experience there's a ton of click fraud on Adwords and it's a fucking war out there.

However if he really wants those big, expensive keywords, your best long term solution is to stay away from those terms he wants, and make up your traffic with cheaper long tail clicks.
 
Hey, thanks a lot for the advice. Those places seem pretty legit so I don't know how well it will fare if I post stuff about clicking competitor's ads.

Keep track of it and all that jazz is not something I can spend resources on each week - total waste of my time, especially since that really is the whole reason I'm paying that douche company 4 dollars a click!

The top few keywords convert, the rest are very very slow so there is no option or room for other keywords.

So, basically, I think i have to serve this guy up and probably even contact him diplomatically discussing a truce.

Is it all right to request those services here?
 
I got banned from adsense due to fraudulent activitiy, they do take care of these things (damnit)
 
I allways get suspend my adwords account.

Can help me, Please.

I can pay for services.
 
Autumn said:
There's definitely tons of blatant clickfraud that Google should be catching.

I would:
* keep a record of all the fraud clicks: log file entries, IPs, reverse DNS for the IPs / hosts, referrers, dates and times, user agent / browser fingerprinting info eg. screen resolution info etc, click path through site etc. If you can show a) they originate from a hosting company b) they don't have javascript enabled c) they display bot-like clicking behaviour then you have a strong case for click fraud.
* make a click fraud complaint to G about them - hopefully G will start filtering those clicks a bit better or at least refund you some clicks.
* find some cheaper and more obscure keywords ($4 / click leaves you little room for error)
* if all else fails, click fraud the fuck out of the cunt, just don't get caught. You could probably just use fiverr, mechanical turk etc.

I am generally against sabotaging the competition, but from my own experience there's a ton of click fraud on Adwords and it's a fucking war out there.

However if he really wants those big, expensive keywords, your best long term solution is to stay away from those terms he wants, and make up your traffic with cheaper long tail clicks.
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I agree totally with a lot of what you say, but when a guy does it to you, do it back.... What is god's saying "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you"
Pluto $crillions said:
I got banned from adsense due to fraudulent activitiy, they do take care of these things (damnit)
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You can get banned for "Fraudulent click activity" without even doing anything wrong.... The bigger they get, the more and more they are pulling this shit... there are lots of other ppc companies, a few are crap, but some pay better, lol
onlyshop said:
I allways get suspend my adwords account.

Can help me, Please.

I can pay for services.
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Are you talking about adwords accounts or adsense accounts? If its adsense accounts, shoot me a pm...

Dizz:cool:
 
Im talking about ADWORDS account, i allways verified it with vcc and vouchers and never get publish my campaing.

Alllways get suspended account. I dont undertand why happen that
 
I want to reciprocate, but I want to hire someone to bombard this cocksucker on a daily basis. Should I just post in the freelance forum here?
 
Got a response from Google yesterday.

This was in response to me sending them a report of 10 clicks made in the span of 10 minutes from 3AM to 4AM, all 2 minutes apart, from webhost IPs (softlayer etc).

They said they weren't fraudulent.

I am absolutely convinced now that Google Adwords is basically a losing battle whereby it just cannot last. In every industry there is all you have to do is have one bad apple clicking the competitors, which probably already does happen, and people are paying through the nose.

The ONLY party that benefits, overall, is Google.

I hope advertisers catch on. This is clear proof that Google Adwords is a total sham. Again, read the descriptor above - 10 clicks, 2 minutes apart, in a time slot where I get maybe one click every 3 days, from DATACENTER IPs, and Google took 3 days to investigate and determined they were legitimate.
 
When you have to get things done that are "under the table" do it with pms first and take it off the forum to talk details, IMO. Google and Craig and every other major player is trolling here so stay sharp and don't think you aren't being watched.

My 2C.. don't make it hard on BHW.
 
Remove the Ads of competition from SERP,
and Generate more business, with out changing the current CPC.

We will removed the ads which are above your ads in SERP, and make sure that your ads remain at the Top through out the month.

We will do this for your site for 10 keywords, your choice.
Location of the ads does not matter to us.

We do not need access to your account.
 
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