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Adwords Click Fraud Unacceptable

Discussion in 'Adwords' started by BHMan, Jun 23, 2011.

  1. BHMan

    BHMan Junior Member

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    So, I don't want to get into too many details, but there is a competitor of mine who is known to do shady stuff.

    He is definitely clicking on my ads, and because the CPCs are so high, it's not negligible.

    I have calculated he has actually more than doubled my ad cost from something like $40/day to sometimes over $100.

    Tonight, for example, I saw 6 clicks in a 12 minute period from 3AM to 4AM that were all webhost IPs, definitely false clicks - got charged for all of them. At $4/click that is $24.

    So, obviously this guy has a system. Google Adwords, I've calculated, catches about 25% of invalid clicks (as opposed to the vast amounts of press they try to push).

    I've disabled my ads because I simply cant afford $100 days without conversions because of this guy.

    My questions are this:

    1) Is it taboo to look to hire someone on here to get someone to return the favor to this jackass? If not, where do I find this service?

    2) If it is taboo, what options would you suggest, aside from generally just working on monopolizing the free search listings?

    Thanks guys.
     
  2. Autumn

    Autumn Elite Member

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    There's definitely tons of blatant clickfraud that Google should be catching.

    I would:
    * keep a record of all the fraud clicks: log file entries, IPs, reverse DNS for the IPs / hosts, referrers, dates and times, user agent / browser fingerprinting info eg. screen resolution info etc, click path through site etc. If you can show a) they originate from a hosting company b) they don't have javascript enabled c) they display bot-like clicking behaviour then you have a strong case for click fraud.
    * make a click fraud complaint to G about them - hopefully G will start filtering those clicks a bit better or at least refund you some clicks.
    * find some cheaper and more obscure keywords ($4 / click leaves you little room for error)
    * if all else fails, click fraud the fuck out of the cunt, just don't get caught. You could probably just use fiverr, mechanical turk etc.

    I am generally against sabotaging the competition, but from my own experience there's a ton of click fraud on Adwords and it's a fucking war out there.

    However if he really wants those big, expensive keywords, your best long term solution is to stay away from those terms he wants, and make up your traffic with cheaper long tail clicks.
     
  3. BHMan

    BHMan Junior Member

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    Hey, thanks a lot for the advice. Those places seem pretty legit so I don't know how well it will fare if I post stuff about clicking competitor's ads.

    Keep track of it and all that jazz is not something I can spend resources on each week - total waste of my time, especially since that really is the whole reason I'm paying that douche company 4 dollars a click!

    The top few keywords convert, the rest are very very slow so there is no option or room for other keywords.

    So, basically, I think i have to serve this guy up and probably even contact him diplomatically discussing a truce.

    Is it all right to request those services here?
     
  4. menuu

    menuu Junior Member

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    allways thought about this thats messed up
     
  5. Pluto $crillions

    Pluto $crillions Registered Member

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    I got banned from adsense due to fraudulent activitiy, they do take care of these things (damnit)
     
  6. onlyshop

    onlyshop Newbie

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    I allways get suspend my adwords account.

    Can help me, Please.

    I can pay for services.
     
  7. dizz

    dizz Elite Member

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    I agree totally with a lot of what you say, but when a guy does it to you, do it back.... What is god's saying "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you"
    You can get banned for "Fraudulent click activity" without even doing anything wrong.... The bigger they get, the more and more they are pulling this shit... there are lots of other ppc companies, a few are crap, but some pay better, lol
    Are you talking about adwords accounts or adsense accounts? If its adsense accounts, shoot me a pm...

    Dizz:cool:
     
  8. onlyshop

    onlyshop Newbie

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    Im talking about ADWORDS account, i allways verified it with vcc and vouchers and never get publish my campaing.

    Alllways get suspended account. I dont undertand why happen that
     
  9. BHMan

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    I want to reciprocate, but I want to hire someone to bombard this cocksucker on a daily basis. Should I just post in the freelance forum here?
     
  10. samlim

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    Is there any way to prevent this??
     
  11. BHMan

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    Got a response from Google yesterday.

    This was in response to me sending them a report of 10 clicks made in the span of 10 minutes from 3AM to 4AM, all 2 minutes apart, from webhost IPs (softlayer etc).

    They said they weren't fraudulent.

    I am absolutely convinced now that Google Adwords is basically a losing battle whereby it just cannot last. In every industry there is all you have to do is have one bad apple clicking the competitors, which probably already does happen, and people are paying through the nose.

    The ONLY party that benefits, overall, is Google.

    I hope advertisers catch on. This is clear proof that Google Adwords is a total sham. Again, read the descriptor above - 10 clicks, 2 minutes apart, in a time slot where I get maybe one click every 3 days, from DATACENTER IPs, and Google took 3 days to investigate and determined they were legitimate.
     
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    vijayranjan Newbie

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    BHMAN pm i will help you sort this issue
     
  13. Johnnyfox

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    When you have to get things done that are "under the table" do it with pms first and take it off the forum to talk details, IMO. Google and Craig and every other major player is trolling here so stay sharp and don't think you aren't being watched.

    My 2C.. don't make it hard on BHW.
     
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    With millions of clicks a day it´s probably impossible for google to analyze every click. Of course it makes perfect sense that YOUR clicks were fraudulent. But what do you expect google to do ? I mean practically, how could they fix this with millions of customers? Remove costs of clicks that customers say were invalid individually?! You have to see its a global market and yes google might not even be interested... But even if they were interested, I dont see much possibilties for them to fix this. It can also happen that real clicks look like yours.

    I also click on adwords all of the time even tho I never have the intention to buy anything from them. Actually I am selling to them. This is fraudulent clicks too for the advertisor? Kind of ... But adwords obviously pays off for many even with some fradulent clicks.

    BTW you probably thought about it, but you could display your ads only at certain times of day.. And only to certain consumers, like locally... Maybe that could help you a bit.... Usually there is some times of day when you have more closes.. Like at lunch breaks for example many travels and vacations get booked. And if you only display your ad in a certain state maybe you have your competitors webhosts blocked out already.

    With the new google landing pages(LEADS) product coming, I´ll be interested to see how this turns out with fraudulent phone calls cos the actual leads will probably cost much more than just the clicks now.
     
  15. Nicepro

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    Remove the Ads of competition from SERP,
    and Generate more business, with out changing the current CPC.

    We will removed the ads which are above your ads in SERP, and make sure that your ads remain at the Top through out the month.

    We will do this for your site for 10 keywords, your choice.
    Location of the ads does not matter to us.

    We do not need access to your account.
     
  16. alexvin

    alexvin Newbie

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    same problem...