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[Advice] SAPE Not Moving The Needle (Yet)

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Kanye West, Sep 21, 2016.

  1. Kanye West

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    I have a niche site with ~110 clean, homepage, high TF (average TF37) SAPE links (expensive as hell) and a lot of diversification. Btw I also have ~200 PBN links of a trusted seller here but imo too overpriced so I cancelled the subscription but the links stay (non homepage).
    It is a churn and burn project so I don't really care what happens after it ranked but the problem is that the site is not ranking yet.

    All SAPE links all use brand anchor. My site is usually sitting on #9, #10 and #11 but sometimes my rank tracker or my google search shows me on #3 or #4 for main kw. On secondary kw's it ranges from #1-#8. All SAPE links were already booked until round about 2 weeks before. The rankings mostly stayed the same but since then these strange #3, #4 jumps happen but they don't have a big traffic influence (very far away from real #4 traffic amount). It seems like it is a spot test since these jumps happen once a day for a short time but only for a small portion of google searchers.

    My problem is that I have limited experience. I would say it is good sign but at the end time will tell. What do you think? I need some opinions on this since time is money especially with SAPE.

    P.S.: Onpage/content and domain age is not the issue. Also I know that 2 weeks are not that much but I really tried a lot of things which didn't result the desired SEO effect. I'm a bt
     
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  2. Nargil

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    There is a Google update still underway, so there has been a lot of dancing and jumping and whatnot the past 3 weeks. It may be related to what you are experiencing and also may not be.

    Regarding Sape... from my experience and I have been working with Sape a lot in the past, it doesn't do anything anymore. The past year I haven't seen any improvement from Sape at all and I have been using English only websites, high TF domains/pages with high number of RD which are clean and not spammed and nothing. And we are talking hundreds of sites.

    Also, Sape now allows Paypal so no idea why are you not buying the Sape links yourself, since they are actually pretty cheap nowadays, due to amazing Russian economy.
     
  3. Kanye West

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    Thank you for your answer! I'm filtering and buying the links myself but I'm using some really trusted sites like newspapers, magazines, museums etc. Creme de la creme of SAPE (some TF50-60 in there).

    I'm askying myself this everytime if SAPE is still working. It worked with main anchor back in late 2015 but connected with a penalty after 4 months. So I try brand anchor this time to stay longer under the radar but it's not even ranking yet.
     
  4. Nargil

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    Ah, that makes sense then. You are doing it well then.

    Give it some time and you will see, feel free to continue building links. There is that update going on as I mentioned, so it will be slightly volatile, but hopefully, once it ends, you will be at the top.
     
  5. Kanye West

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    What bothers me is that a lot of people say that SAPE is not working for them anymore. There were also people saying that in 2015 but at this time I was at #1 and it didn't bothered me. Now it is a different story there is a small group of people which still says SAPE works like charm and the other site which says SAPE links have no effect anymore.

    I will wait but I'm skeptical.
     
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    I decided to stay away from sape long ago. Truth is that I have been mostly using it with parasites, to the effectiveness there might be different, but can't say that I saw any improvement at all. And we are talking 20 - 30 projects.
     
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    SAPE does not work? How is that bro, as far as I know in the SAPE network one can find normal decent sites, and yet you say that the links from those sites doesn't work. This is like buying a guest post, and guest post works, but why links from SAPE does not? I have limited experience with SAPE, so I don't understand what is the logic behind your statement?
     
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    i tried 300 Sape links in May , though they were passed via buffers. I targeted only 2 medium KWs . Didnt get any movement and un-subscribed
    on other hand , when i went with PBN - it moved them well.
     
  9. Nargil

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    There is no logic behind it, there is experience behind it.

    The reason why they don't work, IMO, is that the links are non-contextual and also absolutely unrelated to your website. You have a website about museums and without further addo, you link from footer to a website about I don't know... shavers. The only content around your link are other links, unrelated. That's what I think is the problem.
     
  10. Kanye West

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    Did you used exact anchor?
     
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    Mix of anchors. Not a chance it was caused by anchors or any other screw up on my part. For me, they are no longer working and I won't be coming back to buying them. :)
     
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    I asked because I had success with exact anchor SAPE links late 2015 but not with brand anchor SAPE now.
    At the end real PBN's are the way to go but I'm not there yet and I need to rank this project now.
     
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    If it's a churn and burn, then outsource the PBN links. If you have money for Sape links, you surely have links to outsource the PBN.

    There are some sellers here who have decent PBN domains regarding metrics. However, they are spammy as hell and I wouldn't touch them with 6 feet pole, but for these purposes they are fine. I have been using them. Shoot me a PM and I will let you know whom I use for this kind of projects. You will save yourself some time doing research.
     
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    Thank you for that offer. I appreciate that but first I have to finish my tests with SAPE (see where the website settles etc.) even if people say it won't work.

    It would also be interesting if pro SAPE people could comment on this. These people exist on BHW (even well reputated ones).
     
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    I have tried sape on many occasions and never saw any movement whatsoever
     
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    My experience was similar to that of @Nargil . Sape does nothing these days. And i am saying this after using them for a long time on a large number of properties in a lot fo different ways.

    Tried them on web2.0's, nothing.
    Tried them on money sites directly , nothing.
    Tried them on money sites with web2.0's as buffer, slight movement, nothing big.
    Tried them on money sites with other PBN like domains as buffers, slight movement, nothing big.

    Tested on 20+ different properties for like 6 months in a row ( kept my patience for google is actually slowly rankings things these days) and them dumped sape completely.