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  1. mikee11

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    check it out:

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    I am a former Google employee and I am writing this to leak information to the public of what I
    witnessed and took part in while being an employee. My position was to deal with AdSense accounts,
    more specifically the accounts of publishers (not advertisers). I was employed at Google for a period of
    several years in this capacity.


    Having signed many documents such as NDA's and non-competes, there are many repercussions for me,
    especially in the form of legal retribution from Google. I have carefully planned this leak to coincide with
    certain factors in Google such as waiting for the appropriate employee turn around so that my identity
    could not be discovered.


    To sum it up for everyone, I took part in what I (and many others) would consider theft of money from
    the publishers by Google, and from direct orders of management. There were many AdSense employees
    involved, and it spanned many years, and I hear it still is happening today except on a much wider scale.
    No one on the outside knows it, if they did, the FBI and possibly IRS would immediately launch an
    investigation, because what they are doing is so inherently illegal and they are flying completely under
    the radar.


    It began in 2009. Everything was perfectly fine prior to 2009, and in fact it couldn't be more perfect from
    an AdSense employees perspective, but something changed.




    Google Bans and Ban Criteria


    Before December 2012:


    In the first quarter of 2009 there was a "sit-down" from the AdSense division higher ups to talk about
    new emerging issues and the role we (the employees in the AdSense division needed to play. It was a
    very long meeting, and it was very detailed and intense. What it boiled down to was that Google had
    suffered some very serious losses in the financial department several months earlier. They kept saying
    how we "needed to tighten the belts" and they didn't want it to come from Google employees pockets.
    So they were going to (in their words) "carry out extreme quality control on AdSense publishers". When
    one of my fellow co-workers asked what they meant by that. Their response was that AdSense itself
    hands out too many checks each month to publishers, and that the checks were too large and that
    needed to end right away. Many of the employees were not pleased about this (like myself). But they
    were successful in scaring the rest into thinking it would be their jobs and their money that would be on
    the line if they didn't participate. The meeting left many confused as to how this was going to happen.
    What did they mean by extreme quality control? A few other smaller meetings occur with certain key
    people in the AdSense division that furthered the idea and procedure they planned on implementing.
    There were lots of rumors and quiet talking amongst the employees, there was lots of speculations,
    some came true and some didn't. But the word was that they were planning to cut off a large portion of
    publisher's payments.


    After that point there was a running gag amongst fellow co-workers where we would walk by each other
    and whisper "Don't be evil, pft!" and roll our eyes.


    What happened afterwards became much worse. Their "quality control" came into full effect. Managers
    pushed for wide scale account bans, and the first big batch of bans happened in March of 2009. The
    main reason, the publishers made too much money. But something quite devious happened. We were
    told to begin banning accounts that were close to their payout period (which is why account bans never
    occur immediately after a payout). The purpose was to get that money owed to publishers back to
    Google AdSense, while having already served up the ads to the public.


    This way the advertiser's couldn't claim we did not do our part in delivering their ads and ask for money
    back. So in a sense, we had thousands upon thousands of publishers deliver ads we knew they were
    never going to get paid for.


    Google reaped both sides of the coin, got money from the advertisers, used the publishers, and didn't
    have to pay them a single penny. We were told to go and look into the publishers accounts, and if any
    publisher had accumulated earnings exceeding $5000 and was near a payout or in the process of a
    payout, we were to ban the account right away and reverse the earnings back. They kept saying it was
    needed for the company, and that most of these publishers were ripping Google off anyways, and that
    their gravy train needed to end. Many employees were not happy about this. A few resigned over it.
    I did not. I stayed because I had a family to support, and secondly I wanted to see how far they would
    go.


    From 2009 to 2012 there were many more big batches of bans. The biggest of all the banning sessions
    occurred in April of 2012. The AdSense division had enormous pressure from the company to make up
    for financial losses, and for Google's lack of reaching certain internal financial goals for the quarter prior.
    So the push was on. The employees felt really uneasy about the whole thing, but we were threatened
    with job losses if we didn't enforce the company's wishes. Those who voiced concerned or issue were
    basically ridiculed with "not having the company's best interest in mind" and not being "team players".
    Morale in the division was at an all-time low. The mood of the whole place changed quite rapidly. It no
    longer was a fun place to work.


    The bans of April 2012 came fast and furious. Absolutely none of them were investigated, nor were they
    justified in any way. We were told to get rid of as many of the accounts with the largest
    checks/payouts/earnings waiting to happen. No reason, just do it, and don't question it. It was heart
    wrenching seeing all that money people had earned all get stolen from them. And that's what I saw it as,
    it was a robbery of the AdSense publishers. Many launched appeals, complaints, but it was futile
    because absolutely no one actually took the time to review the appeals or complaints. Most were simply
    erased without even being opened, the rest were deposited into the database, never to be touched
    again.


    Several publishers launched legal actions which were settled, but Google had come up with a new policy
    to deal with situations such as that because it was perceived as a serious problem to be avoided.
    So they came up with a new policy.


    After December 2012: The New Policy


    The new policy; "shelter the possible problem makers, and fuck the rest" (those words were actually
    said by a Google AdSense exec) when he spoke about the new procedure and policy for "Account
    Quality Control".


    The new policy was officially called AdSense Quality Control Color Codes (commonly called AQ3C by
    employees). What it basically was a categorization of publisher accounts. Those publisher's that could
    do the most damage by having their account banned were placed in a VIP group that was to be left
    alone. The rest of the publishers would be placed into other groupings accordingly.
    The new AQ3C also implemented "quality control" quotas for the account auditors, so if you didn't meet
    the "quality control" target (aka account bans) you would be called in for a performance review.
    There were four "groups" publishers could fall into if they reached certain milestones.


    They were:


    Red Group: Urgent Attention Required
    Any AdSense account that reaches the $10,000/month mark is immediately flagged (unless they are part
    of the Green Group).
    - In the beginning there were many in this category, and most were seen as problematic and were seen
    as abusing the system by Google. So every effort was taken to bring their numbers down.
    - They are placed in what employees termed "The Eagle Eye", where the "AdSense Eagle Eye Team"
    would actively and constantly audit their accounts and look for any absolute reason for a ban. Even if
    the reason was far-fetched, or unsubstantiated, and unprovable, the ban would occur. The "Eagle Eye
    Team" referred to a group of internal account auditors whose main role was to constantly monitor
    publisher's accounts and sites.
    - A reason has to be internally attached to the account ban. The problem was that notifying the
    publisher for the reason is not a requirement, even if the publisher asks. The exception: The exact
    reason must be provided if a legal representative contacts Google on behalf of the account holder.
    - But again, if a ban is to occur, it must occur as close to a payout period as possible with the most
    amount of money accrued/earned.




    Yellow Group: Serious Attention Required
    Any AdSense account that reaches the $5,000/month mark is flagged for review (unless they are part of
    the Green Group).
    - All of the publisher's site(s)/account will be placed in queue for an audit.
    - Most of the time the queue is quite full so most are delayed their audit in a timely fashion.
    - The second highest amount of bans occur at this level.
    - A reason has to be internally attached to the account ban. Notifiying the publisher for the reason is not
    a requirement, even if the publisher asks. The exception: The exact reason must be provided if a legal
    representative contacts Google on behalf of the account holder.
    - But again, if a ban is to occur, it must occur as close to a payout period as possible with the most
    amount of money accrued/earned.




    Blue Group: Moderate Attention Required
    Any AdSense account that reaches the $1,000/month mark is flagged for possible review (unless they
    are part of the Green Group).
    - Only the main site and account will be place in queue for what is called a quick audit.
    - Most bans that occur happen at this level. Main reason is that a reason doesn't have to be attached to
    the ban, so the employees use these bans to fill their monthly quotas. So many are simply a random pick
    and click.
    - A reason does not have to be internally attached to the account ban. Notifying the publisher for the
    reason is not a requirement, even if the publisher asks.
    - But again, if a ban is to occur, it must occur as close to a payout period as possible with the most
    amount of money accrued.




    Green Group: VIP Status (what employees refer to as the "untouchables")
    Any AdSense account associated with an incorporated entity or individual that can inflict serious
    damage onto Google by negative media information, rallying large amounts of anti-AdSense support, or
    cause mass loss of AdSense publisher support.
    - Google employees wanting to use AdSense on their websites were automatically placed in the Green
    group. So the database contained many Google insiders and their family members. If you work or
    worked for Google and were placed in the category, you stayed in it, even if you left Google. So it
    included many former employees. Employees simply had to submit a form with site specific details and
    their account info.
    - Sites in the Green Group were basically given "carte blanche" to do anything they wanted, even if they
    flagrantly went against the AdSense TOS and Policies. That is why you will encounter sites with AdSense,
    but yet have and do things completely against AdSense rules.
    - Extra care is taken not to interrupt or disrupt these accounts.
    - If an employee makes a mistake with a Green Level account they can lose their job. Since it seen as
    very grievous mistake.




    New Policy 2012 Part 2:


    Internal changes to the policy were constant. They wanted to make it more efficient and streamlined.
    They saw its current process as having too much human involvement and oversight. They wanted it
    more automated and less involved.


    So the other part of the new policy change was to incorporate other Google services into assisting the
    "quality control" program. What they came up with will anger many users when they find out. It
    involved skewing data in Google Analytics. They decided it was a good idea to alter the statistical data
    shown for websites. It first began with just altering data reports for Analytics account holders that also
    had an AdSense account, but they ran into too many issues and decided it would be simpler just to skew
    the report data across the board to remain consistent and implement features globally.
    So what this means is that the statistical data for a website using Google Analytics is not even close to
    being accurate. The numbers are incredibly deflated. The reasoning behind their decision is that if an
    individual links their AdSense account and their Analytics account, the Analytics account can be used to
    deflate the earnings automatically without any human intervention. They discovered that if an individual
    had an AdSense account then they were also likely to use Google Analytics. So Google used it to their
    advantage.


    This led to many publishers to actively display ads, without earning any money at all (even to this day).
    Even if their actual website traffic was high, and had high click-throughs the data would be automatically
    skewed in favor of Google, and at a total loss of publishers. This successfully made it almost impossible
    for anyone to earn amounts even remotely close what individuals with similar sites were earning prior
    to 2012, and most definitely nowhere near pre-2009 earnings.
    Other policy changes also included how to deal with appeals, which still to this day, the large majority
    are completely ignored, and why you will rarely get an actual answer as to why your account was
    banned and absolutely no way to resolve it.




    ----




    The BIG Problem (which Google is aware of)
    There is an enormous problem that existed for a long time in Google's AdSense accounts. Many of the
    upper management are aware of this problem but do not want to acknowledge or attempt to come up
    with a solution to the problem.


    It is regarding false clicks on ads. Many accounts get banned for "invalid clicks" on ads. In the past this
    was caused by a publisher trying to self inflate click-throughs by clicking on the ads featured on their
    website. The servers automatically detect self-clicking with comparison to IP addresses and other such
    information, and the persons account would get banned for invalid clicking.


    But there was something forming under the surface. A competitor or malicious person would actively go
    to their competitor's website(s) or pick a random website running AdSense and begin multiple-clicking
    and overclicking ads, which they would do over and over again. Of course this would trigger an invalid
    clicking related ban, mainly because it could not be proven if the publisher was actually behind the
    clicking. This was internally referred to as "Click-Bombing". Many innocent publishers would get caught
    up in bans for invalid clicks which they were not involved in and were never told about.


    This issue has been in the awareness of Google for a very long time but nothing was done to rectify the
    issue and probably never will be. Thus if someone wants to ruin a Google AdSense publishers account,
    all you would have to do is go to their website, and start click-bombing their Google Ads over and over
    again, it will lead the servers to detect invalid clicks and poof, they get banned. The publisher would be
    completely innocent and unaware of the occurrence but be blamed for it anyways.


    ----


    Their BIG Fear
    The biggest fear that Google has about these AdSense procedures and policies is that it will be publicly
    discovered by their former publishers who were banned, and that those publishers unite together and
    launch an class-action lawsuit.


    They also fear those whose primary monthly earnings are from AdSense, because in many countries if a
    person claims the monthly amount to their tax agency and they state the monthly amount and that they
    are earning money from Google on a monthly basis, in certain nations technically Google can be seen as
    an employer. Thus, an employer who withholds payment of earnings, can be heavily fined by
    government bodies dealing with labor and employment. And if these government bodies dealing with
    labor and employment decide to go after Google, then it would get very ugly, very quickly ..... that is on
    top of a class-action lawsuit.
     
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  3. SportsGeek

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    wow.... It all makes sense now
     
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    great, i don't know if this is true of course. But some statements makes sense really... i hope higher authority will give a fck about this.

    Google keeps ditching everyone, thats why don't just put your eggs on google...
     
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    I cant believe I read the whole thing

    I cant voucher on this if its real or not but I got to say really really interesting read
     
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    Sounds accurate to me. Why isn't Forbes banned yet by adsense? Having a blank page with an ad? Is that acceptable?
     
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  8. clovers

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    We knew this all along. It is something that has been widely talked about for years. This goes along with trying to get rid of SEO so that they can further increase their profits through AdSense.
     
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    the question is what can we do about it ?
     
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    WE may have known about it for years but to this extent, with insider meeting accounts and AQ3C details?
     
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    This wont change a thing, we will rant on this forum and Google will laugh at us while they make their billions.
     
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    Too much conspiracy here. We have absolutely no evidence that any of this is true. It seems plausible that they screw with small publishers but I don't think they want to ban big earners. After all they make money from them. If they don't want small earners they can simply stop the adsense program or put a requirement of minimum traffic per month or something.
     
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    I am saying that this is proof that what we have "thought" was true now has some validity to it assuming that these are actual details from an insider meeting. You can read story upon story on this forum about how people had thousands in their AdSense accounts and were banned right before payday.
     
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    Why would Google go to extra effort to make sure as many 10k+/month publishers as possible get banned, those publishers are making THEM big money as well. Whole article smells of BS.
     
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    Because they want all the money
     
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    But banning the big fish publishers just before they get paid out is just a quick cashgrab, they lose monthly revenue if they actively seek out to ban 10K+/month earners ("every effort was taken to bring their numbers down").
     
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    My company has internal logging which we call "actuals" we also use Google Analytics. For years Google Analytics trended about 25% lower than actuals. There are a number of reasons why this happens, but it was so consistent that on rare occasions when the logging failed it was acceptable by the accountants to backfill lost numbers proportionally. After about 7 years of operating this way that practice stopped for us when in 2012 Google Analytics became inexplicably lossy. Over several months Google Analytics went from reliably 25% under actuals to 50-75% under actuals.

    There are probably a number of reasons this could happen, but the timing struck me as meaningful with the mention of analytics deflation from the leak.
     
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    They are KEEPING the money by doing this each month. If you look at the quote "shelter the possible problem makers, and fuck the rest" it looks as if they wouldn't go near their big fish earners.
     
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    Yeah this article seems weird. Specially they can find really good reasons to ban accounts every time. So why it has be some kind of conspiracy?
     
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    It does make a lot of sense and many have speculated some of these theories for a long time...