A recent SB Test after G's Algo Change

I would like to share the result of my recent test of using SB for backlink link building. I hope:
1) Through my post people can compare notes and find better way to do SEO
2) If you are still using SB, you need to be careful and avoid some pitfalls
3) Get a better understanding of the changes of G's Algo (one of the biggest in recent years!)
4) Find out if my result is just a particular case or some of you may have similar experience

Here are details (please don't ask for more and this is whatever I can tell you):
1) I take some of my page which tanks around 50 in serp for the relevant keywords
2) These page are not very crucial to me so I can afford the test if something goes wrong (for example deindexed by G)
3) I monitor the serp ranking of the page for these keywords for a few days and make sure they are stable (no G dance)
4) Then I started using SB to get backlinks of the top 100 sites for these keywords
5) Start blog commenting on these links (did Blog analysis and filter out the links that can be handled by SB)
6) Monitor the serp rankings of the page for these keywords and record the ranking by date
7) Result: the particular page was deindexed after 3 days for almost all the keywords that it used to rank from 50-90.
8) After a week I have not seen the page coming back in serp ranking.

You are welcome to do the same test and post your result here. I would like to know if this is typical for SB backlink building or because of G's change of the algo. But one thing I am very sure is that:

you definitely DO NOT WANT to using SB to comment on the blogs that are spammed to death!
And so, SB's blog commenting method is very much limited in its power. or you can even hurt your self if you spam on the those blogs that have tons of spamy comments!

Dave

A couple of questions come to mind though.

Why would you use SB to blast pages on your domain?

Why didn't you want to use a secondary platform to spam too?

Were you using any customized footprint strings?

I agree with you that posting on blogs that have been spammed to death isn't a wise backlinking strategy, but it wasn't for a good part of 2010. There has been a lot of talk about blog commenting and forum profile links not holding any weight anymore but I just don't see why not. If you find a PR6 blog and your comment gets accepted I don't see how Google can see this as a bad thing. IDK though as I haven't even tested it yet.

If this turns out to be true....wouldn't the logicical next course of action be start blasting your competitors links too spam blogs with Scrapebox?

I mean if they go down...someone else goes up.

How old is your domain? I've done several large blasts (250k+) since the update and have seen no negative effects. In fact, none of my sites have bee affected (yet) by the algorithm change at all except positively.

I hear a lot of people are having issues with duplicate content and their web 2.0 properties, but since the update, one of my web 2.0 properties actually zoomed past my main site and took the #1 spot. Gotta love competing with yourself.

I amazed at how many people use Xrumer and SB to spam blindly. They're TOOLS, not just bots to let loose with no control. Without a good strategy they're useless.

6) Monitor the serp rankings of the page for these keywords and record the ranking by date
7) Result: the particular page was deindexed after 3 days for almost all the keywords that it used to rank from 50-90.
8) After a week I have not seen the page coming back in serp ranking.

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You keep mentioning the page. Seems limited testing for any conclusion of any effect for any application that is used.

I'm glad that someone started this thread. I have also noticed that SB links (autoapprove) haven't had any positive effect since the algo change. I know that isn't much time, but I'm used to seeing some positive results in less competitive niches, and I'm not anymore.

I'd be interested if anyone else has noticed anything yet.

The best thing is to build some blogs and dummy sites around your main site and then use those ones for the SB blasting. The links can be in as many levels as you wish. That is the best way to achieve good searching engine ranking at all times.

you are saying that your pages are completely de-indexed now? meaning, when you type site:yourwebsitespage into gooogle your page completely does not come up? please clarify because being de-indexed and being sandboxed are two 100% different things man.

i recently did a 54k auto approve SB blast for one of my sites and the site is now sandboxed, the site is now doing gooogle dance. the site is not de-indexed though so when i get out of this sandbox my rankings will be much higher.

I am changing up my Technique now. RAther then do blast I am just going to manually pick pr5+ post that I find and manually write a comment that has to do with the post!. that way if its a moderated post I might actually get approved with very little obl

EmpireQuality said:

you are saying that your pages are completely de-indexed now? meaning, when you type site:yourwebsitespage into gooogle your page completely does not come up? please clarify because being de-indexed and being sandboxed are two 100% different things man.

i recently did a 54k auto approve SB blast for one of my sites and the site is now sandboxed, the site is now doing gooogle dance. the site is not de-indexed though so when i get out of this sandbox my rankings will be much higher.

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My site did not show up in top 1000 (yes, one thousand) for certain keywords that it used to be in position 50.

JamesHenry said:

You keep mentioning the page. Seems limited testing for any conclusion of any effect for any application that is used.

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I agree that my test is still limited but I do test it with two group of keywords for two of my web pages. I will keep monitoring it and report back if I see changes.

Mokodoki said:

How old is your domain? I've done several large blasts (250k+) since the update and have seen no negative effects. In fact, none of my sites have bee affected (yet) by the algorithm change at all except positively.

I hear a lot of people are having issues with duplicate content and their web 2.0 properties, but since the update, one of my web 2.0 properties actually zoomed past my main site and took the #1 spot. Gotta love competing with yourself.

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The domain is over 3 years old. My domain is still doing well with some keywords! But for some keywords it was in a position around 50 but disappeared totally (not in top one thousand) after SB blast since the algo change. It could be coincident. So I am still monitoring the development. And see if others have similar experiences.

us_david said:

My site did not show up in top 1000 (yes, one thousand) for certain keywords that it used to be in position 50.

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but you did not answer my question. the pages that you blasted are now completely de-indexed OR they are simply not in the top 1,000? de-index and sandbox (AKA g00gle dance) are 2 totally different things. just because your pages are not currently in the top 1000 does not mean that they are de-indexed. that probably just means that they are sandboxed for the time being. go to gooogle and type site:yourwebsite to see for yourself if your pages are still indexed or not. i think you are just sandboxed for a little bit of time and when you come out of the sandbox your rank will be higher than it was before.

illiacus said:

A couple of questions come to mind though.

Why would you use SB to blast pages on your domain?

Why didn't you want to use a secondary platform to spam too?

Were you using any customized footprint strings?

I agree with you that posting on blogs that have been spammed to death isn't a wise backlinking strategy, but it wasn't for a good part of 2010. There has been a lot of talk about blog commenting and forum profile links not holding any weight anymore but I just don't see why not. If you find a PR6 blog and your comment gets accepted I don't see how Google can see this as a bad thing. IDK though as I haven't even tested it yet.

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I did it with secondary page and its serp is about 50. And not in top one thousand after sb blast. The footprint is customized for the keyword group i am targeting.

EmpireQuality said:

but you did not answer my question. the pages that you blasted are now completely de-indexed OR they are simply not in the top 1,000? de-index and sandbox (AKA g00gle dance) are 2 totally different things. just because your pages are not currently in the top 1000 does not mean that they are de-indexed. that probably just means that they are sandboxed for the time being. go to gooogle and type site:yourwebsite to see for yourself if your pages are still indexed or not. i think you are just sandboxed for a little bit of time and when you come out of the sandbox your rank will be higher than it was before.

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Then tell me how do I know its not deindexed even if you cannot find it in the top 1000? As far as I know Google will not "Sandbox" you and they push you deep down!

Whether it's doing g dance or being pushed down beyond 1000 serp (or sandboxed in your term), you have a better way to identify it? Or just wait see if it resurface one day...?

us_david said:

Then tell me how do I know its not deindexed even if you cannot find it in the top 1000? As far as I know Google will not "Sandbox" you and they push you deep down!

Whether it's doing g dance or being pushed down beyond 1000 serp (or sandboxed in your term), you have a better way to identify it? Or just wait see if it resurface one day...?

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EmpireQuality
has told you twice how to do it in 2 different posts

use site:yoursite.com query. It is designed to show your indexed pages irrespective of their rank, be it 10,000 or 100,000. Deindexed means not showing in the "site" query.

If this is true, that means we can REMOVE COMPETITOR from serps by blasting their url to spammed to death blog. This will change the SEO GAMES, because we can take down any competitor we want. I doubted it.

In my experience, when a particular page suddenly receive a huge amount of backlinks, it will enter in to "google dance" / "temporary sandbox".

What you can do ?

Continue to blast and blast. Eventually, it will come back. Usually, it will get better position than before.

There's no harm for you to try this. Continue blasting your "banned" website. The key is consistence in building backlinks.

maybe someone will try to spam competitor's site to death to see the results....

anyone ?