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301 redirect to hide your backlinks

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by theseodude, Jul 16, 2013.

  1. theseodude

    theseodude Regular Member

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    you have a site called siteA which you are trying to rank. you dont want your competitors to see your backlinks so you get a siteB and build all your backlinks to siteB.
    my question is, what are the requirements for siteB? does it help if it's an EMD?
    If siteA is about plumbers, does siteB also have to be about plumbers, or could it be about video games?
    does the content of siteB have to be real and high quality, or could it be spun garbage?
     
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    from what I have read it doesn't matter if "site b" is niche related
     
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    BHopkins Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Most link trackers will show the redirect, then someone could just go to the 301'ed site and see the links there.
     
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    If both sites are from same niche, then it will get more attention. 301ing will help at the start to hide the backlinks, but in long run. Ofcourse we can check and get the backlinks of old domain too.
     
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    Since Majestic, Moz and Ahref (and probably others) do follow the 301 redirect you're about to apply from SiteB to SiteA, your links profile will be visible to everyone, unless, you'll block all bots from all link crawlers. So, in this case, you need to get the ip ranges of Majestic, Moz, Ahref and the others if you really want to block them from harvesting your link profile, from SiteB to SiteA
     
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    Ahrefs & Majestic track redirect links so as mentioned above you'd have to block all the crawlers.
     
  7. Ash2012

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    There was a thread on here about blocking crawlers used by those sites. Search should yield the result you require. Essentially do what is in that thread (related to .htaccess / robots) and you'll hide your links (mostly).
     
  8. theseodude

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    hi guys
    I understand that hrefs and other backlink checkers will show the 301 and there are extra steps that you have to take with htaccess and robots.txt to hide your backlinks. the htaccess part is something I will have to figure out.
    but my questions are regarding the site that you are building backlinks to (siteB)
    1) Do you buy the domain for siteB and redirect immediately, or do you put up a one page site, wait a while, and then redirect?
    2) does it help if siteB is an EMD?
    3) do the 2 sites have to be in the same niche? If siteA is about plumbers, could siteB be about video games?
     
  9. mrblackjack

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    1. you can apply a 301 redirect immediately, and simply build links to Site B
    2. No. I haven't found EMD's better than other domains (back n the days, EMD's were a trend)
    3. Well, obviously relevant niches are the best. Have you tried ranking a plumbers website with some video games anchor links ? I dont think so. So the redirection wont make it exceptional.
     
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  10. seoguy99

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    I know that most of you are not going to agree with my lines but in last 45 days google is looking at 301 with very strange view.
    A 301 is not passing as much value, as it used to do earlier (unless you are 301ing an old domain to a new domain).
    In my book ~ 301 sucks now. (unless sending old domain to a new).
     
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  11. seoguy99

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    If any of you want to block a hrefs, majestic seo bots-->
    user-agent: AhrefsBot
    disallow: /

    user-agent: MJ12bot
    disallow: /

    user-agent: rogerbot
    disallow: /
     
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  12. JustUs

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    .htaccess for Ahrefs:
    Code:
    # ahrefs
    deny from 173.199.115.104
    deny from 173.199.115.105
    deny from 173.199.115.106
    deny from 173.199.115.107
    deny from 173.199.115.108
    deny from 173.199.115.109
    deny from 173.199.115.110
    deny from 173.199.115.111
    Denying from Robots.txt does no good if the bot ignores the robots file.
     
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  13. hbs700

    hbs700 Newbie

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    You have the .htaccess for Moz and Majestic as well? Would appreciate that.

    Also will the 301s show up in webmasters?


     
  14. notyourmatey

    notyourmatey Power Member

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    yes, you're not blocking g bot right. here's my htaccess- redirect is not showing in mseo/ahrefs:

    Code:
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*Twiceler.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*VoilaBot BETA 1.2.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*libwww-perl/5.805.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*Java/1.5.0_11.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*Sogou web spider/3.0.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*psbot.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*Exabot.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*Charlotte/1.0b.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*boitho.com-dc.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*ajSitemap.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*bot/1.0.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*panscient.com.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*Java/1.6.0_11.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*WebDataCentreBot/1.0.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*Java.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*SapphireWebCrawler.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*Yandex.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*Baiduspider.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*Rankivabot.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*DBLBot/1.0.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase user-Agent .*eCatch.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase user-Agent .*EirGrabber.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase user-Agent .*EmailSiphon.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase user-Agent .*ExtractorPro.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase user-Agent .*FlashGet.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase user-Agent .*GetRight.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase user-Agent .*Widow.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase user-Agent .*Offline.Explorer.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase user-Agent .*[Ww]eb[Bb]andit.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase user-Agent .*Zeus.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*DotBot.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*MJ12bot.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*AhrefsBot.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*sitebot.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*LexxeBot.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*Ezooms.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*ichiro.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*AppEngine-Google.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*rogerbot.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*discobot/1.1.* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*DCPbot/1.2* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*AcoonBot/4.11.1* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*Mail.RU/2.0* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*trendictionbot0.5.0* bad_bot
    SetEnvIfNoCase User-Agent .*R6_CommentReader* bad_bot
    order allow,deny
    deny from env=bad_bot
    allow from all
    
     
  15. nonai

    nonai Power Member

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    so you put this code in your backup site's htaccess, right?
    This code doesn't seem complete. How are you redirecting? it looks like your code just blocks backlink checking tools, but I dont think it redirects.
     
  16. notyourmatey

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    i dont redirect to new site with htacess
     
  17. AmateRasu

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    thanks for this one
     
  18. alexbeckonizer

    alexbeckonizer Newbie

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    I think if both domains are from the same niche then they would be fine, however, hiding backlinks could be accomplished through blocking crawlers as suggested above, you wouldnt need 301 exclusively for this purpose.