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301 Redirect Got Me A Manual Penalty

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by mistajay1031, Dec 11, 2013.

  1. mistajay1031

    mistajay1031 Registered Member

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    So recently I moved my site over to a new domain. Lets call the old domain site A and the new domain site B. I set a 301 redirect via htaccess so http://www.sitea.com redirected to http://www.siteb.com. Deep links would also redirect and then 404, for example http://www.sitea.com/about-us would redirect to http://www.siteb.com/about-us and if it didn't exist it would 404.

    WEIRD PART!

    I did absolutely NO linkbuilding to site B. I also disavowed ALL backlinks on site A before setting the 301. For some reason a couple weeks later I get a "Unnatural Inbound Links" manual penalty. When I checked the links page on webmasters, it says I have 4000 links coming from site A. Why are redirects being counted as seperate backlinks? What should I do?
     
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    When you 301 a domain, you are also redirecting the link juice to the new domain. You said you disavowed all the links from site A, but are you sure you didnt miss any? Or maybe the disavow didn't take effect yet, but if you had bad links on site A, then they will transfer the badness to site B and that's where your penalty is coming from.
     
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    all links from site A are going to site B when redirected.easy as hell.end of story.

    P.S disavow links is just another bullshit from mat cunt.with this method all of us show everything we spam on the net and sounds like this"hey cunt i spammed a lot lately and u fucked my site i can now disavow all spammy links i build myself?RIDICULOUS ".never used that shit,when got fucked one site in max 5 mins i spam a new one.
     
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  4. mistajay1031

    mistajay1031 Registered Member

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    Ok, I understand that. What confuses is me why those links are also showing up as separate links. If they are included in Site A links, why are they also showing up as individual links?
     
  5. mistajay1031

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    Also, it says Site A has 4k backlinks. When I look at them, the links are deep urls that I never built backlinks to. I think maybe the redirect was done the wrong way?
     
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    when u redirect a site to another u redirect everything including backlinks from site A.in fact thats why i did same in the past few times but only once worked.i had a site ranked top 5 for many keywords,site has over 80k backlinks and 66/77 PA/DA but it was penalized and lost my serp for it.his backlinks and PA/DA was the reason i redirect it to a new domain same niche/targeted for same keywords,gues what?in 3 weeks the new site had better positions on serp than the site that was penalized.anyway after exactly 3months new site got hit too,but i had enough time to cash in.anyway i did this many times but worked only once ,conclusion - 301 not always work
     
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    i also think if u disavow links might count for google only,maybe they are not counted anymore but i doubt they are not showing anymore on backlink checker tools like ahref etc .not 100% sure on this anyway
     
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    Remove the 301 redirect!
     
  9. mistajay1031

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    For some reason, I think that the all the links on the old page are being counted as backlinks. Even the navigation urls, tags, all of it. The backlinks I made to site A are showing up separate than the 4k links from Site A
     
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    301 site A to your competitor and build site B without 301 :)

    You have a cannon in your pants and don't even know it. Fire away!!!
     
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    Just noticed that 2k of the back links are word-press catalog searches. What the hell?
     
  12. Ninya

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    I've had a manual penalty happen on my site 3 months ago, from SAPE type links.
    Afterwards I had the person remove the links, all of them and filed for reconsideration - it failed.
    Subsequently I created a new domain about 4 weeks after SAPE links being removed, and setup a 301 redirect to a new domain.
    The rankings have all returned, and are increasing by the day. However, my question is this.

    Does Google only look at the ranking signals coming from a 301 redirect, or does it actually have something in place where it sees the old penalty and then passes it over eventually? I'm asking this because I know for a fact that all the bad links are gone. I've only got around 15-18 links remaining and a few social signals. Would it be better to cut the risk and turn off the 301 and continue building on the current rankings or should I just keep it considering it should be safe now? (3 months after)

    I could also remove the 301, disavow any other crappy links I see on the other site and file for reconsideration. Once it goes through (If it does) setup the 301 again to help any rankings restore.

    Let me know what you guys think of this messy scenario!
     
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    Watch what your saying here, some high moral members here will not take lightly on your recommendation, they seem to forget where they are sometimes, of course i am not one of them, i am from the school that teaches: everything goes in love, war and IM ;)
     
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    3 Numbers for ya brah: 302
     
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    Its because you 301'd, the disavow won't do shit as everyone else has told you.

    Why did you 301 the domain in the first place? Just 302 it.
     
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    I presume you know that a 302 doesn't flow link juice, and is therefore a moot point as far as SEO is concerned?
     
  17. Ninya

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    Sorry guys, this is actually a bump. The latest post is from me, the thread owner started it a bit back.
     
  18. goldendeli

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    That's the point. 301 passes link juice, 302 allows you to retain the redirect for traffic reasons without passing penalties.
     
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