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snkrsresell said:
Hi, it’s now been over a year since this thread exists, and you should know that it’s partly thanks to you that I was able to get started in the field of black hat marketing.

I have a question. Recently, Google Ads accounts considered “at risk” can be given a spending limit without any prior notice or warning. This limit restricts the account to spending only $1 to $3 per day, and I’m not referring to the limit that appears with a red message on the dashboard.

It seems, based on information from Google Ads support, that these accounts are being placed under review, this time for a much longer duration, since some accounts may not be able to spend for weeks. Another support representative told me that the account is under verification “to prevent any overspending,” and that this limit should be lifted once the first payments are processed by Google Ads.

At the same time, I think Google anticipated that support requests would surge. As a result, for accounts classified as “at risk,” you now need to provide an ID and proof of address just to contact Google support by email. By the way, accounts that pass this KYC verification for Google Ads support are able to receive a human response from support, whereas without verification, a bot replies by email with generic statements. This is not a joke.

Is this also the case for agency accounts operating in the black hat space? Especially for this "new" daily limit spending ?

Thanks in advance.
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Hi Snkrsresell

Long time no see. I believe you already figured this out. Personally I haven't faced this issue but maybe you could post here if you found a solution

horikiku said:
I was really impressed by your thread. It helped me understand all the fundamentals I was curious about.

That said, I do have a question. I’m trying to run gambling-related ads in Korea, but even including gambling-related keywords gets the ads rejected right away or the account suspended.

Basically, no matter how well you prepare with white keywords or warm up the account, the moment you try to use blacklisted keywords, you get blocked instantly.

In this case, what would you recommend?

When I actually search, I do still see one or two Korean ads showing up.

Realistically, is this just too difficult?

If I can’t even use the keywords to begin with, then nothing really works, right?
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Hello Horikiku

It's not reallistically diffuclt. Maybe at the beginning, right now as of today it's more tedious. The process is almost always the same just a few things on the way change with the time.

If there is 2 koreans showing ads on your desired keyword then it means it might be even easier. Possibly your issue is on the account. I would need to know th errors you have, update me please

googleadsmarket said:
So, Google Ads isn't showing any ads for some keywords. How can you overcome this problem? Broad match isn't working. I think it's a spam keyword.
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Hey googleadsmarket,

Have you checked the Keyword Planner? Does this keywords have enough volume?

Mano2516 said:
Wow, this thread is something incredibly! How long are you in affilaite marketing and how had you knew about it? Also interesting if you are working solo or on team!

Is it Africe? Also, I know that a lof of affiliate make brand bidding! Are you selling brand traffic to brands or broad words?
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Hey Mano,

I started alone and keep it alone for a few years. I'm on aff marketing for around 10 years now, bh campaigns I would say 4 years. Not really counted :)
As for your last question yes, sometimes the brands come to us and want to launch a new GEO, so everyone does a War on branded Search campaigns

baobab said:
Did you use certificates for the account to make the keys work better? I think certificates arent a magic solution and you can run without them too. Im curious about your opinion on them
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Hey Baobab,
Some people say so, I personally never used certificates. I believe for Crypto it would make sense. Not for iGaming

33. said:
Where I can learn about cloaking and what cloaker is the best in market for BH ads?
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Hey 33,
Look onto this thread you'll have answers for that. But consider using Hoax, Cloakerly or Adspect.
snkrsresell said:
u can use zeustrack. I love their white pages feature. Simply with an URL, you can copy an existing website and use them for you white page in some seconds, instead of buying white pages services.
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Hey snkrsresell,

I'm curious and going to test zeustrack. May you tell me the approval rate of those White Pages?
Thanks in advance
 
Hey, I’m going to answer your questions (sorry for the long message)

Regarding this spending limit, I have a theory about it.

First, it needs to be separated from the $2 limit shown in the dashboard.

Secondly, it seems to appear on accounts with new billing, where the billing doesn’t come from an optimal-quality environment (AKA the Google account).

A sub-account under an MCC, AKA an agency Google Ads account, even if it’s BH, won’t have the spending limit I’m talking about, because the billing and the account structure are already being used to spend without any issues. Having $2 limits on the dashboard on older accounts shouldn’t be a concern. If we want to open new agency Google Ads accounts, we won’t get this silent spending limit, which seems to be more specific to new Google Ads accounts and new billing setups coming from environments that have never (successfully) run Google Ads before.

According to Google, it can take anywhere from several days to several weeks for this limit to be lifted. I’ve also observed that this limit, which is initially around $3–4 per day, increases dynamically depending on the level of risk perceived by the algorithm.

For example, my account has this limit, but eventually gets rid of it because I warm up the account with a small campaign, generate activity on the Google account, make campaign changes that aren’t related to the budget, etc. Basically, I create human-like activity. In that case, when I scale the budgets, the limit gets raised as well. However, if I scale too aggressively, I can get capped at a certain point and be unable to spend my entire daily budget. Then, I can spend again normally the next day without any issue.

This doesn’t really look like a mechanical limit like the ones Facebook Ads can impose. It seems much more like a limit that the algorithm decides in real time based on its assessment of your account.

So, this silent spending limit seems to be specific to Google Ads accounts with a new billing profile within their environment (in this case, Google Ads accounts created by Google accounts that have never run any ads before) = basically a new gads user.

This would be the specific situation in which we could be eligible for this spending limit. But being eligible for it doesn’t necessarily mean we will actually get it.

If, despite meeting these criteria, our Google account is actually well-farmed (for example, the personal account of a real user) and the billing profile has activity outside of Google Ads (for everyday payments, for example), then we might not get this limit.

Ultimately, this limit is assigned based on all the data that we provide to Google’s risk-management algorithms. If you are a new Google Ads user on your Google account, and the algorithm detects risky patterns on your Google account, you may get this silent spending limit. Also, if the gads account is a threshold account, for Google, i think it’s more risky to accept users, so they put a silent spending limit, to prove you can pay ur bills first.

Now, regarding Zeustrack, I haven’t tested this cloaker/tracker/white-page generator in a real-world situation yet (because yes, it has all of those features).

What I do know is that the feature allowing you to copy an existing website onto a domain connected to Zeustrack does actually copy the website as-is. Nothing is changed in terms of the code structure. The only thing they change—and this is where they do a good job—is that all the links are changed to point to your own domain, except for links such as YouTube, Instagram, etc.

What I understand, and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, is that your approval rate depends more on how you warm up your account and on other parameters than on the white page itself, when it comes to Google Ads.

So, if your code is good (meaning you choose a high-quality website here), you shouldn’t run into any issues, but that’s something you’ll have to test yourself.

(I’m not affiliated with Zeustrack, just to make that clear.)
 
snkrsresell said:
Hey, I’m going to answer your questions (sorry for the long message)

Regarding this spending limit, I have a theory about it.

First, it needs to be separated from the $2 limit shown in the dashboard.

Secondly, it seems to appear on accounts with new billing, where the billing doesn’t come from an optimal-quality environment (AKA the Google account).

A sub-account under an MCC, AKA an agency Google Ads account, even if it’s BH, won’t have the spending limit I’m talking about, because the billing and the account structure are already being used to spend without any issues. Having $2 limits on the dashboard on older accounts shouldn’t be a concern. If we want to open new agency Google Ads accounts, we won’t get this silent spending limit, which seems to be more specific to new Google Ads accounts and new billing setups coming from environments that have never (successfully) run Google Ads before.

According to Google, it can take anywhere from several days to several weeks for this limit to be lifted. I’ve also observed that this limit, which is initially around $3–4 per day, increases dynamically depending on the level of risk perceived by the algorithm.

For example, my account has this limit, but eventually gets rid of it because I warm up the account with a small campaign, generate activity on the Google account, make campaign changes that aren’t related to the budget, etc. Basically, I create human-like activity. In that case, when I scale the budgets, the limit gets raised as well. However, if I scale too aggressively, I can get capped at a certain point and be unable to spend my entire daily budget. Then, I can spend again normally the next day without any issue.

This doesn’t really look like a mechanical limit like the ones Facebook Ads can impose. It seems much more like a limit that the algorithm decides in real time based on its assessment of your account.

So, this silent spending limit seems to be specific to Google Ads accounts with a new billing profile within their environment (in this case, Google Ads accounts created by Google accounts that have never run any ads before) = basically a new gads user.

This would be the specific situation in which we could be eligible for this spending limit. But being eligible for it doesn’t necessarily mean we will actually get it.

If, despite meeting these criteria, our Google account is actually well-farmed (for example, the personal account of a real user) and the billing profile has activity outside of Google Ads (for everyday payments, for example), then we might not get this limit.

Ultimately, this limit is assigned based on all the data that we provide to Google’s risk-management algorithms. If you are a new Google Ads user on your Google account, and the algorithm detects risky patterns on your Google account, you may get this silent spending limit. Also, if the gads account is a threshold account, for Google, i think it’s more risky to accept users, so they put a silent spending limit, to prove you can pay ur bills first.

Now, regarding Zeustrack, I haven’t tested this cloaker/tracker/white-page generator in a real-world situation yet (because yes, it has all of those features).

What I do know is that the feature allowing you to copy an existing website onto a domain connected to Zeustrack does actually copy the website as-is. Nothing is changed in terms of the code structure. The only thing they change—and this is where they do a good job—is that all the links are changed to point to your own domain, except for links such as YouTube, Instagram, etc.

What I understand, and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, is that your approval rate depends more on how you warm up your account and on other parameters than on the white page itself, when it comes to Google Ads.

So, if your code is good (meaning you choose a high-quality website here), you shouldn’t run into any issues, but that’s something you’ll have to test yourself.

(I’m not affiliated with Zeustrack, just to make that clear.)
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Hey snkresell,

Thanks for sharing all this info up. This is really good for everyone looking out for help on this issues.
I personally, and no one in my team have really experienced this issue on the spending limit, and I can understand why then.
If someone is new, to understand better, I only use "Strong Accounts". Strong accounts depends on many many factors. But you can think basically of it like, if it is an MCC account, the Agency has a LOT of ads, there is a high chance the account is strong. But it depends on many factors besides the ads amount.

So for us, we've never seen any problem regarding the spend limit because we prefer to pay the price to have good ad accounts.

As for the Zeustrack, I would say it's quite interesting. I was not in interetested in testing the WhitePages because all of the ad accounts I get cost a decent amount of money, and it's not worth it lose the ads account at all if it doesn't work. But I'll check for MCC accounts without account fee to make 5-10 tests and see how it performs.

I currently have a Dev Team that makes WhitePages for the business, so it wouldn't be a cut on the cost, but an optimization of the Developers I have currently, they could work on other things. We see that on WhitePages, it is important to have a .com domain mainly, or geo-focused like .de, .it etc. and have a good quality code, avoid the use of AI and try to get everything as Unique as possible. That's the approach we're using and the one that's working. I could ask about more techinical things to the team if someone is curious.

Also for everyone reading this, please don't ask me if we do sell WhitePages, I will ignore it. We're not interested in this type of business. All I can do is share info on how the team makes them.

Thanks once again snkrs, I will try to update this thread as soon as I find an good MCC to test zeustrack Whites
 
Alright! May I ask why you no longer use MCC accounts, if you don’t mind me asking?

Also, I know Google has become stricter when it comes to agency accounts whose environment is associated with BH. I know you need to have high-quality Google accounts (proper creation methods, good geo, and proper farming) in order to avoid getting suspended / hit with BOVs.
 
snkrsresell said:
Alright! May I ask why you no longer use MCC accounts, if you don’t mind me asking?

Also, I know Google has become stricter when it comes to agency accounts whose environment is associated with BH. I know you need to have high-quality Google accounts (proper creation methods, good geo, and proper farming) in order to avoid getting suspended / hit with BOVs.
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Yes of course. We have a few that I can't share, but we're scaling on Bison and they're doing a pretty good job.

You can find their thread on BHW
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/n...lity-5-10-fees-all-products-bh-gh-wh.1712017/

Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with Bison in any way or form.
 
What are your call to action/angles you have; Coupons/Match or something different?
 
Hi @samthevick, I have a few questions regarding MCCs.

With the new accounts created on request, do you run into any issues once you start scaling the budgets? Account suspensions, for example.

I know that with all my BH Google Ads agency accounts, in the best-case scenario, I’m asked to complete a BOV, which I’m able to do. However, these accounts are quite fragile i think, so I was wondering how much I can actually spend before getting suspended. It’s also worth noting that during the initial phase of warming up an account, I no longer get account suspensions, but only BOVs.

Currently, I have one new gads agency account that has successfully completed the BOV and is running at $6/day on a warming campaign, but I’m genuinely wondering whether it’s even worth using.
 
Greetings!

I’m impressed by this thread. I read all 24 pages from cover to cover in a couple of days. The author has devoted a lot of time and, as I can see, continues to do so completely free of charge. We should thank him.

Almost a year ago, I myself attracted traffic using similar methods, but I mainly worked with tier‑1, with my own MCC, and through licensing gambling accounts without using cloaking — but I could only achieve 5–8k spend per account (1–2 weeks of activity).
I also wasn’t as meticulous in preparing, setting up, and running the campaign during its entire life cycle, and after reading your recommendations, I noticed many aspects that I hadn’t taken advantage of.

I used Cloaking earlier, in LATAM, without licenses, but I didn’t directly run campaigns for these geo‑locations.

Based on my observations, I think I should share that accounts last much less time if you set a schedule (days and specific hours) in the campaign settings (Perhaps, when stopping and starting the campaign via schedule, Google will re‑moderate it which creates unnecessary risks).

Now I’m preparing all the infrastructure again and setting up the department to resume work with tier1 + tier3, and I’ve joined this thread to update the information and, in general, see how the market situation has changed.

With your permission, @samthevick , I’d like to ask a number of questions that remain after reading all the messages. And I’d be very glad if you could contact me via DM (I’m not proposing a partnership - I just want to exchange experience and get contacts of reliable providers from you) since I can not contact with you by myself.

So, here are the questions, the answers to which may be useful to other participants in this discussion:
1. What should the whitepage be built on? WordPress or other CMS / default HTML from scratch / something else?
2. In your opinion, when working with tier1 countries, for example, CA/NZ/AU, will this approach work, and will the math balance out given that the player ends up costing significantly more? ($200– $300–$500 per user).
3. Have you tried using a solution with a wheel of spin or similar pre-landing pages for blackpage(moneypage)?
4. Is the final product that the user is directed to always a single brand, or are there different offers in the split? Have you not used keitaro/binom/other trackers so far?
5. After cloning a WH campaign in Google and adding 3 BH keywords, do you add additional BH keywords to it after some time, or do you try not to touch it at all?
6. Have you tried adding bonus offers (free spins, deposit bonuses) to headlines / descriptions?
7. Have you tried using Cursor with built-in AI for whitepages, or are you exclusively using purchased whitepages (truewhitepages that were recommended earlier) and/or manually creating them from the scratch?
8. Is there a risk that, at scale, Google will detect the pattern of the moneypage page and ban accounts due to moneypage / scripts on moneypage?
9. How many websites do you use on a single server? 5? 10? Or infinity if via Cloudflare?

Thank you in advance.
 
snkrsresell said:
Hey, I’m going to answer your questions (sorry for the long message)

Regarding this spending limit, I have a theory about it.

First, it needs to be separated from the $2 limit shown in the dashboard.

Secondly, it seems to appear on accounts with new billing, where the billing doesn’t come from an optimal-quality environment (AKA the Google account).

A sub-account under an MCC, AKA an agency Google Ads account, even if it’s BH, won’t have the spending limit I’m talking about, because the billing and the account structure are already being used to spend without any issues. Having $2 limits on the dashboard on older accounts shouldn’t be a concern. If we want to open new agency Google Ads accounts, we won’t get this silent spending limit, which seems to be more specific to new Google Ads accounts and new billing setups coming from environments that have never (successfully) run Google Ads before.

According to Google, it can take anywhere from several days to several weeks for this limit to be lifted. I’ve also observed that this limit, which is initially around $3–4 per day, increases dynamically depending on the level of risk perceived by the algorithm.

For example, my account has this limit, but eventually gets rid of it because I warm up the account with a small campaign, generate activity on the Google account, make campaign changes that aren’t related to the budget, etc. Basically, I create human-like activity. In that case, when I scale the budgets, the limit gets raised as well. However, if I scale too aggressively, I can get capped at a certain point and be unable to spend my entire daily budget. Then, I can spend again normally the next day without any issue.

This doesn’t really look like a mechanical limit like the ones Facebook Ads can impose. It seems much more like a limit that the algorithm decides in real time based on its assessment of your account.

So, this silent spending limit seems to be specific to Google Ads accounts with a new billing profile within their environment (in this case, Google Ads accounts created by Google accounts that have never run any ads before) = basically a new gads user.

This would be the specific situation in which we could be eligible for this spending limit. But being eligible for it doesn’t necessarily mean we will actually get it.

If, despite meeting these criteria, our Google account is actually well-farmed (for example, the personal account of a real user) and the billing profile has activity outside of Google Ads (for everyday payments, for example), then we might not get this limit.

Ultimately, this limit is assigned based on all the data that we provide to Google’s risk-management algorithms. If you are a new Google Ads user on your Google account, and the algorithm detects risky patterns on your Google account, you may get this silent spending limit. Also, if the gads account is a threshold account, for Google, i think it’s more risky to accept users, so they put a silent spending limit, to prove you can pay ur bills first.

Now, regarding Zeustrack, I haven’t tested this cloaker/tracker/white-page generator in a real-world situation yet (because yes, it has all of those features).

What I do know is that the feature allowing you to copy an existing website onto a domain connected to Zeustrack does actually copy the website as-is. Nothing is changed in terms of the code structure. The only thing they change—and this is where they do a good job—is that all the links are changed to point to your own domain, except for links such as YouTube, Instagram, etc.

What I understand, and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, is that your approval rate depends more on how you warm up your account and on other parameters than on the white page itself, when it comes to Google Ads.

So, if your code is good (meaning you choose a high-quality website here), you shouldn’t run into any issues, but that’s something you’ll have to test yourself.

(I’m not affiliated with Zeustrack, just to make that clear.)
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Interesting theory. But putting that aside, let’s say my Google Ads account has a solid history across the board. Would cloaking still be considered necessary for a gray-hat niche like casino?
 
@samthevick - Got any account suppliers that can accept FIAT payments? Hitting a snag for a client that cannot trade in crypto. Please drop me a PM if you can assist.
 
banehallow said:
Interesting theory. But putting that aside, let’s say my Google Ads account has a solid history across the board. Would cloaking still be considered necessary for a gray-hat niche like casino?
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It depends. If you're targeting casino keywords, then yes. If it's a Display campaign or something else that doesn't require you to explicitly add keywords, and your landing page is clean and your creatives are clean as well, I think you can pull it off with a properly warmed-up account, but you'll need to be very meticulous, and I can't guarantee any results.

In any case, I think you should get a cloaker and prepare backup accounts. Just make sure you learn how to configure a cloaker and understand exactly what you're configuring and what you're actually blocking.
 
I need help creating a digital subscriptions ad via SMS. I've tried everything – images, videos – but my ad keeps getting rejected.
 
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