Made 1.3M Rev in Q4 with WH Stores, Now looking to run BH and need help

grant young

grant young

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Ive been doing ecom for like 3 years now, made really good money this q4 with a whitehat store thats now branded and going steady at like 100k-200k/mo but now i'm looking to do peptides right now. I have the skills to scale it but i'm a bit uneducated when it comes to the backend of blackhat stuff like payment gateway cloaking and blackhat setup.

Front end like fb accounts and all that I have no problem with.

I can get stealth stripes and have no problems with front end stuff or marketing, but mostly interested in learning the backend.

I'm looking for advice on how to set up payment gateway cloaking. Im looking into twelvers and muadata currently, but Im not sure if these are the best ways.

Also if anyone knows good suppliers or fulfilment for peptides i'm interested in that too.

Will probably start a rep store once i figure out the backend too.

Ill go sauce for sauce with anyone who can help me, I have lots of connects within the space as well
 
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Standard gateways will terminate you. Even high-risk processors will eventually flag you if you scale too fast without proper structure. The merchants who survive long-term use bank transfer–based methods as their foundation, not cards.

You have the skills. The backend is learnable. Start with a clean store, US-based suppliers for quality control, bank transfer options for stability, and build redundancy from day one.

Good luck.
 
For gateways, I would suggest instead of doing it on your own, find experienced agencies which specialize in cloaking. They'll help you limit the risk.
 
JasonRivers said:
For gateways, I would suggest instead of doing it on your own, find experienced agencies which specialize in cloaking. They'll help you limit the risk.
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thanks. i ended up building my own. Its going well, just did $1k day with it and starting to scale. well see if it holds up
 
We know a couple of guys in the sector like these guys: https://noveracompounds.com/

If you want an intro and discuss with them how they are doing it, or if there is anything you can do together, feel free to send us a DM.

Just to avoid any misunderstandings: this is not our expertise, we don't sell anything and we won't charge you for this. We are just trying to help (unless the admins consider that this is also not allowed).
 
Hey man, I'm also in the process of starting my peptide business, and I would love to chat with you and just discuss how you're doing it and if you can just share knowledge.
 
Hello, just want to know why u want run replicas / BH products if you already run WH products without problem ? I dont understand lol.

But if u are looking for Cloaking of payment gateway, i can help you if u have questions about how it works , the cloaking of payment processor ( stripe shopify payment and all others )
 
aidenaiden said:
Hey man, I'm also in the process of starting my peptide business, and I would love to chat with you and just discuss how you're doing it and if you can just share knowledge.
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Hey im also just starting, would love to share knowledge, how can we get connected?
 
grant young said:
thanks. i ended up building my own. Its going well, just did $1k day with it and starting to scale. well see if it holds up
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heya, been in ecom for 3 years too and just now starting blackhat stuff with peptides. Wondering howd you cloak it yourself the stripe
 
Yes you can cloak your own stripe / paypal, but if you want to sell into good volumes like even 50K+ a month. You would need a rotation of accounts as you can not stress a single account with such volume of high risk sales like PEPTIDES / REPLICAS without getting flagged or limited. Either arrange a set of aged and mature accounts and cloak them and then start selling. Or simply hire someone who provide such service as rental, You can consider riskgates.com to be an option or try other processors from the market too
 
SirAA said:
heya, been in ecom for 3 years too and just now starting blackhat stuff with peptides. Wondering howd you cloak it yourself the stripe
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Personally, I haven’t had any negative experiences with cloaking. I’ve implemented cloaked setups across multiple websites, and all of them are currently running smoothly without issues.
aidenaiden said:
Hey man, I'm also in the process of starting my peptide business, and I would love to chat with you and just discuss how you're doing it and if you can just share knowledge.
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Hey I have worked in the Peptide industry and have experience in that. Peptide is high risk industry and require high risk processor and would love to discuss with you.
 
Congrats on the 1k day @grant young but building your own setup is only half the battle. @safeerwila made a good point about volume. once you start hitting 3k-5k days stripe is going to manual review you. If you don't have a solid multi-merchant routing setup or at least 5-10 backup accounts ready to swap instantly you'll get your funds locked. For peptides you also need to watch your chargeback ratio like a hawk because customers get sketchy when shipping takes too long or customs seizes stuff... Are you routing transactions or just running everything through one main pipe right now?
 
grant young said:
Ive been doing ecom for like 3 years now, made really good money this q4 with a whitehat store thats now branded and going steady at like 100k-200k/mo but now i'm looking to do peptides right now. I have the skills to scale it but i'm a bit uneducated when it comes to the backend of blackhat stuff like payment gateway cloaking and blackhat setup.

Front end like fb accounts and all that I have no problem with.

I can get stealth stripes and have no problems with front end stuff or marketing, but mostly interested in learning the backend.

I'm looking for advice on how to set up payment gateway cloaking. Im looking into twelvers and muadata currently, but Im not sure if these are the best ways.

Also if anyone knows good suppliers or fulfilment for peptides i'm interested in that too.

Will probably start a rep store once i figure out the backend too.

Ill go sauce for sauce with anyone who can help me, I have lots of connects within the space as well
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I also started selling peptides this May, and my cumulative sales have exceeded $200,000 to date. However, I have the same problem: I want a website where I can place orders directly on my own site. Have you found a solution yet? Could you help me?
 
doing 1k a day on a self-built setup is a good start but honestly the real test is when you try to scale past 3k or 5k. stripe automated triggers are annoying but the manual reviews are what kill you. if your cloaker has even a tiny leak in the fingerprinting or headers they will catch it instantly and lock your funds for 180 days. you really need at least a basic router to split the volume across multiple stealths. running everything through one pipe is just asking to get wiped out overnight. also watch the chargebacks closely, peptide clients chargeback fast if there is any delay in shipping.
 
congrats on the 1k day, that's a solid start. but honestly building your own cloaker is risky when you start scaling because stripe radar looks at way more than just IP and user agent now. if your custom script has even a tiny leak with canvas fingerprinting or webrtc, they'll flag you on the first manual review. you need a solid backup domain and gateway ready to swap instantly because when they hit you, they lock everything. also for fulfillment, try to find a domestic partner if you can... customs has been seizing a lot of peptide shipments lately which will absolutely ruin your chargeback ratio if you rely on direct china shipping.
 
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