Help! My backlink strategy backfired!

[Micallef]

Boomer 23, thanks for your input on this issue.

Lately, for one of my sites, I have been doing heavy backlink building using spam comments. I find sites PR 2 - 7 where you can leave a ******** comment and which are not moderated. These are actually pretty easy to find.

I have added 3000 backlinks across 20 subpages in the past 2 months. My keywords are highly competitive. Last week I was on page 1, then disappeared.......then came back to page 1......then disappeared again. Still down at time of writing.

Problem is, I don't know why. People will say "oh, its because the links are spammy". What does that mean exactly? I think I just built up the links too fast and it tripped the spam detector. Wishful thinking makes me skeptical about whether G sent me down for getting links from "the wrong places" - but maybe it's the reason.

I would love to know if G can and does blacklist links from certain sites, because then I will know whether or not this amazingly powerful and simple way of powering sites to page one will ever last for more than a few days.

 

[boomer23]

I would love to know if G can and does blacklist links from certain sites, because then I will know whether or not this amazingly powerful and simple way of powering sites to page one will ever last for more than a few days.

One theory I've seen expressed is that if it were this easy to get a site banned from the SERPs, then everyone would be doing it to blacklist their competitors and Google would have to change the rules. I think there's a lot of truth in this. My own guess is that they eventually detect the links as spammy and devalue them nearly to zero, but they don't dare to blacklist the site that's linked to because of the competitor sabotage issue.

In my experience Yahoo and MSN (oops..."Live" - oops..."Bing") are more likely to give lasting weight to the spammier backlinks.

Can anyone say from experience whether 2-stage linkwheels (linkwheels around linkwheels) or 3-stage linkwheels, with spam links only to the outer edges, are more or less effective in the long run compared to those with spam links to the inner wheels? That's the key question I was really trying to get at in the OP.

Boomer23

 

[jvmarket]

This is a great thread, and there are all too-few on this topic considering it is the backbone of IM. I agree, the OP is doing nothing wrong. Web 2.0 linkwheels are meant do provide targetted traffic much more than page rank.

However, something showbizvet said caught my attention.

Quote:
spam your outer ring (mini-net) but NEVER your money sites... Always build quality links to your money site
What does everyone think about this... I mean, how can google algorithmically tell a spammy link source from a regular link source? Look for the word viagra maybe....but automated? I don't think so.

We build quality links to our money pages ... but we also bookmark our money sites along with the web 2.o properties to the various bookmarking sites.

Without getting into a big long drawn out conversation...think about it this way...does the process you are doing make sense? I'm not big on using international sites for building links to our sites simply because most of our stuff targets North America.

Almost always...almost the web 2.o properties will outrank your money page. It may take 6 months to a year for that to change. In the mean time you can get a lot of traffic using a link wheel or some variation of one.

Contrary to popular belief this is not an overnight process (unless you want to but traffic via PPC or other methods). Be patient and keep working to your goal.

I was going to post a file but it seems I am too retarded to do that at the moment but here are some stats from one of our sites...

Date Visitors
2/2009 2
3/2009 286
4/2009 149
5/2009 267
6/2009 670

We did a PPC test in feb to see what kind of traffic we could get with the chosen keywords. The end of April we started publishing content and you can see the results.

That site has generated over $300 so far this month.

It all stared with good keyword research and persistent link building. The initial traffic started coming from the web 2.0 properties but as of yesterday the money site is now in the top 5 for for 3 different keywords so the traffic should increase substancially.

There are a few more tricks we are doing with this site now the involve csing but I cant go into that here. With in the next 3 months this site should be generating $1200 - $1500 a month.

Boomer23....make you plan and stick with it...I have other sites that took 3 times as long to become profitable.

j

 

[Surgeon]

It's funny how the strategy backfired...

Really it's best to Spam a domain that you can control, but not an authority one (like bookmarking sites)...

Maybe google does not recognize you new website as an authority for your keyword...I guess we need to give some time on the matter to see how it evolves...Please keep us posted on any changes on your rankings...

I usually make an Xrummer blast on an aged domain blog that I have, but I ask: does anyone has notion of the number of successfull posts I need to have in order to properly boost something up...Truth is they take time to show up.

How make successfull posts you post with Xrummer per day, per website, in order to try to avoid red flag with big G?

 

[boomer23]

Almost always...almost the web 2.o properties will outrank your money page. It may take 6 months to a year for that to change. In the mean time you can get a lot of traffic using a link wheel or some variation of one.

Interesting point. It correlates with my experience in a different niche than I referred to in the OP. I already had a couple of pages on high-PR sites that had my affiliate links (EzineArticles and USFreeAds). The article and the ad have existed for a couple of years. The USFA ad had been around page 2 on the product's brand name and the EZA article had been nowhere.

After I blasted them recently with link wheels plus some direct spammy links, they're in positions 2 & 3, right after the brand name site itself. Occasionally one of mine even outranks the brand name site. If it keeps up, I'll be making about $2500 a month in commissions from just those two pages. But as I said, they're both over 2 years old.

Boomer23

 

[boomer23]

It took a few minutes for the penny to drop, but I just realized that I taught myself something in my last post. See, I have other long-running ads on USFreeAds and other long-published articles on EZA. Why am I wasting time on BHW? I should be backlinking the heck out of those immediately.

And for those who've been knocking SENuke, isn't this precisely what they recommend?

Boomer23

 

[jvmarket]

LMAO....it's always cool to see the light bulb come on

j

 

[deguzman523]

Hey, what's your definition of highly competitive?

What's the phrase match on the keyword?

Boomer 23, thanks for your input on this issue.

Lately, for one of my sites, I have been doing heavy backlink building using spam comments. I find sites PR 2 - 7 where you can leave a ******** comment and which are not moderated. These are actually pretty easy to find.

I have added 3000 backlinks across 20 subpages in the past 2 months. My keywords are highly competitive. Last week I was on page 1, then disappeared.......then came back to page 1......then disappeared again. Still down at time of writing.

Problem is, I don't know why. People will say "oh, its because the links are spammy". What does that mean exactly? I think I just built up the links too fast and it tripped the spam detector. Wishful thinking makes me skeptical about whether G sent me down for getting links from "the wrong places" - but maybe it's the reason.

I would love to know if G can and does blacklist links from certain sites, because then I will know whether or not this amazingly powerful and simple way of powering sites to page one will ever last for more than a few days.

 

[mccullum]

has the site got any boost in SERP?Or still remaining at the bottom?

 

[BadArticle]

It's normal. For example, one of my new site get a link from wiki, then wiki over rank my site for half month, later, all back

 

[CasinoJack]

Also, CONSISTENT link building. If you do 500 links this week then zero next week, not good. ket tha rate about the same week in and week out,a nd you will be fine...