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I had buried my dreams of becoming an IM superstar and working my way up to making mounds of passive revenue due to some major time consuming life events, but seeing the way You handle Your affiliates and the success You claim to be having, I might just rethink the whole thing. Tell me, is crowd sourced traffic herding still a viable solution or am I late to the party? I'm a social engineering guru and the thought of working with this product gets my salesman's parts wet 
The only thing that puts me off at the moment is the lack of positive feedback on this thread :/ Hope that's due to all the affiliates just having their hands full of work!
The only thing that puts me off at the moment is the lack of positive feedback on this thread :/ Hope that's due to all the affiliates just having their hands full of work! 
xeno777
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I agree bezdomny. I really appreciate Mancar's info and encouragement and would love to hear other people's experience with the product.
lukapresic
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Looking good so far. I'm ready to get started as soon as I have the details figured out.
mancar487
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I doubt too many affiliates are keen at disclosing the sales or conversions they're getting with this (or any other GOLDEN product they are promoting) - nobody likes competition! How often do you see threads saying hey I'm making loads of money and it is by promoting this exact product?
You have all rights to be skeptical of course, but if you check out Clickbank's Marketplace Remedies section, you'll see that we're sitting comfortably in the top 10 best selling of all time AND we got there barely 3 months after going live...and trust me, it is damn hard getting there and most other products in the top 10 have been selling since 5-10 years...so ye, you can rest assured this one is exploding for our affiliates
Best of luck whatever your decisions my friend,
Mancar
Ok, I just gave it a try yesterday with Bing Ads. Just using title, ad text and keywords from the provided spreadsheet.
Reach of 1000, 13 clicks, so CTR only 0.9%. Cost per click an enormous €0.45. So now more than €5 spent. But NO revenue.
From those 13 clicks, NO sale.
So it looks like this definitely does NOT work with Bing Ads, at least not with provided keywords. But I cannot use other ones as I do not speak French ....
Might try fb ads now, but not really sure ...
Reach of 1000, 13 clicks, so CTR only 0.9%. Cost per click an enormous €0.45. So now more than €5 spent. But NO revenue.
From those 13 clicks, NO sale.
So it looks like this definitely does NOT work with Bing Ads, at least not with provided keywords. But I cannot use other ones as I do not speak French ....
Might try fb ads now, but not really sure ...
13 clicks is not enough to say that does not work..Build a landing page and try again (at least 100 clicks)
I tried 110+ clicks on bing in the last month but no sales.There are too many variables. I redirected to direct product site. Maybe we should make landing page.
You tried with THIS product and got 110 clicks?
Well, not sure, I think the product is quite good, but it looks like on BING there is no right audience for this. Waiting till 100 clicks would cost me €40 or more which is far too much ... I have more than 300 keywords, so this should be highly targeted, a click rate of 0.9% looks really bad ....
About landing page, well, also not sure, I did not create a landing page .... I only redirected to my own domain, from where they are redirected to the vendors landing page .... I think his landing page with the video is really good, not sure how could I make a better one .... especially as I do not speak French, so I would have to outsource this, which again would cost money, so not really good.
yes i tried this product and got 110 click us traffic. I used about 50 keywords CTR rate is %3-4 "Needless to 300 keywords"
I tried both video and text version page, I think I'm incompetent or unlucky
crackedcreative
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What bid levels are you guys using? $1/click? 0.50/click?
mancar487
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For the guys using ppc (bing or adwords), I am assuming that the following are obvious to you all, but just in case:
1. Countries for english start with: US, CA, UK, NZ, AUS, targeting people who are actually in those locations, not just searching about them as is the default setting on bing
2. Use a LANDING PAGE WITH OPT IN, not direct linking. You get conversion rates that are double or triple with a LP+ opt in compared to direct linking
3. Make sure you are using a NEGATIVE KEYWORD LIST! Otherwise you'd just be losing money on people who are just looking for information and not looking to buy. You should be updating this list daily by screening the incoming search terms and adding irrelevant/non-buyer ones
4. Start with at least 5-10 ads, and then keep the best performing ones
5. Use AD GROUPS! Each ad group should have one key term and a dedicated landing page. 3 ad groups (with 3-5 ads each) is really the bare minimum when you are just starting out
If you are missing any of the basic 5 points above, then it would be extremely hard to compete with guys that know what they are doing and you'll end up losing money.
PPC is not something that you jump in blindly or something that you do if you do not have a decent budget for using on testing. Each ad should be allowed to run for at least 100-200 clicks, so with 5-10 ads, you need to have a testing budget of at least $300-600 (ppc veterans usually allocate around 2k for testing btw). Do NOT do PPC if you have "$50" to spare, that is not how it works. If you are tight on money, start with a free method instead; probably the best two for beginners being meathead and BTB's method
Mancar
1. Countries for english start with: US, CA, UK, NZ, AUS, targeting people who are actually in those locations, not just searching about them as is the default setting on bing
2. Use a LANDING PAGE WITH OPT IN, not direct linking. You get conversion rates that are double or triple with a LP+ opt in compared to direct linking
3. Make sure you are using a NEGATIVE KEYWORD LIST! Otherwise you'd just be losing money on people who are just looking for information and not looking to buy. You should be updating this list daily by screening the incoming search terms and adding irrelevant/non-buyer ones
4. Start with at least 5-10 ads, and then keep the best performing ones
5. Use AD GROUPS! Each ad group should have one key term and a dedicated landing page. 3 ad groups (with 3-5 ads each) is really the bare minimum when you are just starting out
If you are missing any of the basic 5 points above, then it would be extremely hard to compete with guys that know what they are doing and you'll end up losing money.
PPC is not something that you jump in blindly or something that you do if you do not have a decent budget for using on testing. Each ad should be allowed to run for at least 100-200 clicks, so with 5-10 ads, you need to have a testing budget of at least $300-600 (ppc veterans usually allocate around 2k for testing btw). Do NOT do PPC if you have "$50" to spare, that is not how it works. If you are tight on money, start with a free method instead; probably the best two for beginners being meathead and BTB's method
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Well I do to few test, and I didn't expect best ROI imminently but I expect even one sale but nothing and I think just 2 order for impressions... from 87 clicks.. Here are my stats about clicks and how much spent for testing..
Clicks: 87
IMPR: 2,151
CTR: 4.04%
Spent: 58.54
CONVERSIONS: 0
And like I say just I think 2 order for impressions... I'm good in SEO and most products I promote via SEO, so I'm not so good with ads but I think I should get even one sale from 87 hops...
Clicks: 87
IMPR: 2,151
CTR: 4.04%
Spent: 58.54
CONVERSIONS: 0
And like I say just I think 2 order for impressions... I'm good in SEO and most products I promote via SEO, so I'm not so good with ads but I think I should get even one sale from 87 hops...
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I think Bing is no longer the way to go then, not willing to invest so much money on testing as it looked to me as the provided material like ad copy, keywords already would be optimized and I could just start. Also this thread already has 5 pages but I do not see even ONE person telling he/she had any success. Nobody needs to disclose his methods etc but just telling "Hey I had x clicks and made x sales" would already be enough .... Searching for additional or negative keywords in a language that I do not even speak is completely impossible. Also not possible to make a landing page then.
Free method, same language problem, also there are hardly any facebook groups with a decent follower base for this topic, so .....
Normally, I never had to spend much money on PPC, if the product works and there is a defined audience, on fb I get 50 website clicks for $3-4. If no sale from these, I immediately stop this, because it does not work. Then I lost $4, not $400.
Free method, same language problem, also there are hardly any facebook groups with a decent follower base for this topic, so .....
Normally, I never had to spend much money on PPC, if the product works and there is a defined audience, on fb I get 50 website clicks for $3-4. If no sale from these, I immediately stop this, because it does not work. Then I lost $4, not $400.
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mancar487
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Actually this product is perfect for bing because as we all know, bing tends to be used by an older audience and the product's demographics are for an older audience. We have an affiliate who has been making approx 1k daily for the past month and a half just from bing.
Again though, you need to be willing to monitor and test, e.g. if you are not tracking using prosper, there is no way of monitoring performance. If you are looking for a get rich quick sheme, then ppc is not it.
Obviously you haven't read it then as there have been people saying that they made their first ever sales in IM with this product. However, don't expect the big players to come show their numbers, that'be plain silly. Remember this thread is not a sales thread, so you're not going to get reviews. If you want an independent gauge of the product's performance, check tools such as cbengine or clickbank's own marketplace rankings.
No pain no gain! If you are not willing to think outside the box and/or outsource, then forget IM. IM is NOT easy money. As I said in another thread, when we say IM and CB are GOOD money, we are not saying that is easy money, especially at the start. When a person first gets started in IM, they are looking at weeks and possibly months of HARD AND TEDIOUS WORK, and long long hours (I know it was in my case). They are also looking at probably several failed attempts and bad starts, before striking gold (my first ventures, both as an affiliate and later as a vendor, were a flop)...
IM and CB are good and comfortable money, but only once you have a system in place. People who think that CB is a "click and forget" money maker will end up disappointed (and indeed many posts on this forum are a testament to that)...especially for paid traffic...if people throw money at it blindly than they will lose money, guaranteed.
However, those of you who can think long term and are willing to put in the sacrifice necessary for the initial weeks and months, then yes, CB (and IM in general) WILL change your life.
Think of IM as a business, not as "easy money" or some esoteric loophole for money generation. If you can approach and deal with IM as a business, you will succeed. On the other hand, if you merely look at it as a short-cut to richness, you will fail.
See: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...-bhw-clickbankers-3-tips-successful-year.html
Anyways, if you don't feel this product is worth it, then please do not "waste" your money and time and do not promote it. Happy?
Others who want to work with me just get in touch - I'm always there to help those who are serious about making money, as I'm sure there are people on here who can attest to that.
Regards
Mancar
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Exactly, and this is what it makes so strange that there is no single sale, although normally the audience on bing would match the audience required for this product.
So this was the reason why I thought I could start right away with this. There was no word that I have to find (negative) keywords on my own or create LP on my own in a language I do not speak. Outsourcing on fiverr etc is of course possible, but as I do not speak the language I cannot really say anything about quality and correctness of the page/keywords provided then.
I think the product is quite good, but I do not understand why even when using the whole (!) 300+ keywords list there is such a lousy click rate and also such a bad position (7) although there should not be much competition at this moment.
Also if some affiliate is making $500 profit a day from bing I would really like to know how much is his daily ad spend on this. In either case way out of my budget range as it looks. If I had $1000 a day to spend only on bing I wouldn't be here on this forum and looking for a money making method .... Many people only earn $1000 as their wage per month, so ......
With fb ad the problem is always to make any sales but it never was a problem to get traffic. A CTR of lower than 1% is really not possible, normally my CTR on FB is 10-40%, CTR to website about 10% .... But the problem is that most of the time this traffic does not convert because people on fb are not really in a buying mood.
He did not get even one sale from 87 clicks, he spent $60 and his CTR is 4x higher than mine. So I already see what happens if I would continue running my ad.
Of course I can try with different ad copy and different ad title, but they are basically only light variations and they are all good, if someone is not interested in buying if he sees text A then he also won't buy if he sees text C.
It is all about keywords, and as I used all of them, not much to improve here.
Also I targeted only France and Blegium now. I can add Switzerland, Canada etc.
If I select French as a language, then Bing automatically displays the ad only to French-speaking people in the country also if there are more languages spoken there? E.g. if I select French and Belgium, it only shows to French speaking people in Belgium?
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mancar487
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Anatho - just drop paid traffic! if you do not have the time, the expertise, or the budget for it, why continue throwing money at it? I've seen several posts of yours on different threads here, each time you promote different products with ppc yet you say you never manage to get sales. i suspect it's cause you are thinking that ppc is a 'set-and-forget' system, while obviously there is no such thing. My advice would therefore be to forget about paid traffic completely, and do what you have been having success with. You've been a member here for 6 years so my guess would be that something is working for you - stick to that; do what you do best. If you're good at seo, focus on ranking an MNS...if you're good at converting solo ads, do that, if you're a social marketing expert, then milk that cow, etc...
First of all, make sure you are using a bot for pinterest as it will automate practically all tasks and you'll be able to scale logarithmically with one...it is well worth the $50-100 investment trust me. You can recoup that in 1 hour if done correctly. If you haven't claimed your bonus yet get in touch with your aff id and paypal email and I'll send it over.
Re promoting our french version... for the french one, actually pinterest might not be that good of a traffic source as pinterest use is heavily dominated by users from USA; it still has not penetrated significantly in europe. I would recommend investing some of the cash that you have made into getting 5-10 french articles written and setting up a simple site. You should rank it relatively easy as there are few marketers targeting this in french. You could also get a YT video done and ranking this in google (again, relatively easy); make sure you include a call to action in the video and a link directly below.
Mancar
First of all, make sure you are using a bot for pinterest as it will automate practically all tasks and you'll be able to scale logarithmically with one...it is well worth the $50-100 investment trust me. You can recoup that in 1 hour if done correctly. If you haven't claimed your bonus yet get in touch with your aff id and paypal email and I'll send it over.
Re promoting our french version... for the french one, actually pinterest might not be that good of a traffic source as pinterest use is heavily dominated by users from USA; it still has not penetrated significantly in europe. I would recommend investing some of the cash that you have made into getting 5-10 french articles written and setting up a simple site. You should rank it relatively easy as there are few marketers targeting this in french. You could also get a YT video done and ranking this in google (again, relatively easy); make sure you include a call to action in the video and a link directly below.
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