Most Effective Churn and Burn Methods in 2015?

[peterstern9]

Which Churn and Burn methods are most effective for you these days? What would be the best method if I wish to rank page 1 with mass spam as soon as possible and no matter if I get tanked sooner or later? What would you recommend, what type of links to build with GSA SER?

 

[BreaknBrix]

"Churn & burn" is dead.

When you say that on here people are quick to make jokes about SEO being dead. But if you've done any real testing or research (which everyone who asks this question has not) you'd know it's dead.

I don't know when this phrase came into existence but I know it was a long fucking time ago. The last year it was really effective was 2013.

I'm talking about the crude, brainless "method" of firing up GSA for no other purpose than to rank competitive keywords. In early 2014 Google smartened up & started patching this method. Then you saw a swarm of people moving to cheap ass PBNs, 301s and Sape.

That slowly became the new "churn & burn". You could still rank fairly competitive parasites. But brainless GSA blasting became less and less effective.

Then in late 2014 even that form of "churn & burn" changed. Rankings became delayed. Google got more intelligent. Bigger keywords ranked slower and slower. The quicker you threw links, the quicker properties burned out and dropped.

The only real idiots still perpetuating this myth are the guys referring to low comp keywords or jedi keywords. Which require thorough research. And yes, if you fire up GSA then blast those keywords that's the only real form of "churn and burn" that still exists these days. Even that form has become less predictable. You just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks.

If you view churn and burn like a real man.... in 2005 he was a morbidly obese, happy & spoiled SOB. In 2010 he shed maybe like 10lbs. In 2013 his food supply got cut off and he got thrown in a concentration camp. In late 2015, right now, you know what he's doing?

He's 5' 10", 65lbs, no shoes, no clothes, shaking, shivering & standing in line with paul, angela, retention views, etc.... just steps from being shoved into the crematorium.

Moral of the story. If you need something fast become a keyword jedi. Otherwise it's all "method" these days. Which is a vague way of saying that Google is turning blackhat SEO into a much lighter shade these days. Whether we like it or not. No matter how much we need to believe we're not Googles bitch (we are). Loopholes will always exist but SEO loopholes are shrinking. So I highly suggest you remove the phrase "churn and burn" from your vocabulary. Don't remove GSA. Don't remove SEO. Don't remove PBNs. Remove churn & burn. I know from own limited testing what it's turned into. I know from just watching how veteran members respond what it's turned into. I also know every single churn and burn case study in 2015 (labeled as churn & burn) ended in failure. There were a few others that SEEMED LIKE churn and burn that succeeded. But they weren't churn and burn. The authors never mentioned a word about it. They were just smart SEO.

 

[SweetMike]

I was going to ask a similar question, but now my mind is illuminated, thanks breaknbrix

 

[julianraa]

"Churn & burn" is dead.

Your method involves quality content that was a great read

edit: grammar

 

[mickyfu]

It is a great read when people who probably never churned a site tell others it is dead. Fact or opinion?

 

[rob1977]

It's far from dead. Even if you burn out quick you still made it. It's then up to your ingenuity to turn a profit from your live time.

 

[bruisingagency]

You can really just try all methods available and see what works. Build contextual tiers and spam each of the tiers with anything you can possibly come up with.

 

[mickyfu]

No the way you do a churn and burn is do the work then buy the domain. It is simple. You have to know what work needs doing first. You need many 301's. You need to make sure it all hits on indexing.

I have no fucking idea why people assume GSA to new domain is churn and burn. It never has been, never will.

 

[Desert90]

Well i think GSA blasts dont work anymore.
You can try some cheap blog posts services here on bhw, they should rank easy kws.

 

[mirrorer]

It is a great read when people who probably never churned a site tell others it is dead. Fact or opinion?

 

[KHer0]

I agree with BreaknBrix. There is a huge difference between Chrun & Burn VS Smart SEO

 

[BreaknBrix]

It is simple.

Simple as licking your balls. Ranking a site normally with PBNs would be "simple". May require more work but it's safer.
With your method...

1) Need to be 100% sure target site will convert.
2) If shitty conversions how much time before G bitchslaps you?
3) Need to hit the buffer site with the right amount of 301s. Undershoot requires readjusting / clocks ticking down.
4) Overshoot you got that much more to lose / opportunity costs that don't come with normal SEO.
5) It's getting "harder", "more expensive", you gotta find niche domains as you stated yourself 9 months ago.
6) You need a good aged domain as a buffer.
7) Lots of 301s if the niche is worth anything. That's a lot of money, time or skill.

If you're gonna go through all that you might as well just build a PBN.

Also, 13 months ago when someone asked about using 301's to churn & burn you said...

In my experience these days it is very hit and miss, and there are far better ways of churning a website.

The guy asked about redirects? You're always saying they work "fine" or "simple".

I have no fucking idea why people assume GSA to new domain is churn and burn. It never has been, never will.

"No idea?" How about basic economics? People don't "assume" GSA worked we know it worked cause many were doing it in 2012-2014. The method was simple. Blast a shitload of spam as fast as possible then index. This is a small slice of a spreadsheet from 2013 of expired keywords & positions ranked with nothing but GSA:

make money online 1
make money on ebay 1
increase vertical jump 1
lose weight 1
lose weight fast 1
how to lose weight 2
cure diabetes 2
learn to play piano 2
get rid of acne 2
speed up windows 8 2
video making software 2
how to give blow jobs 2
get rid of cellulite 3
stop a divorce 3
how to stop a divorce 3
perfect golf swing 3

It worked on parasites, new domains, old domains. It was cheaper & easier than 301s back then. You having "no fucking idea" why people would do it raises serious questions about what you do know. I consider myself an amateur but I know this. What's your excuse?

-BB

 

[V]

I don't know about the present scenario, but last year I was able to rank some blogs using just GSA. The blogs were then taken down because of copyright complaints, but I know that GSA worked for me. I cannot say if it works now, but from the past trends in SEO we know that Google is getting smarter, releasing new updates which makes most of the old methods obsolete. So, I don't know if churn and burn still works, but I will be giving it a try again when I get time.

 

[glassstoner]

No idea about churn and burn. Guess it might or might not work. Try your luck.

 

[classybabe]

He's 5' 10", 65lbs, no shoes, no clothes, shaking, shivering & standing in line with paul, angela, retention views, etc.... just steps from being shoved into the crematorium.

I was agreeing with your post up until the point about retention views. If you think they don't work, i don't think your post holds any merit then.

And i don't churn and burn so i wouldn't know if it works but the name of the game is relevancy now so throw in some relevant links maybe it will work.

 

[thejesus]

Churn and burn is dead? Time to close the business guys, the money we're making doesn't exist.

 

[doncanolli]

"Churn & burn" is <strong>dead</strong>.

Google dance got you soft, my friends C and B are still ballin with $7k shoes and $300 socks

 

[devnetbox]

I don't know about the present scenario, but last year I was able to rank some blogs using just GSA. The blogs were then taken down because of copyright complaints, but I know that GSA worked for me. I cannot say if it works now, but from the past trends in SEO we know that Google is getting smarter, releasing new updates which makes most of the old methods obsolete. So, I don't know if churn and burn still works, but I will be giving it a try again when I get time.

Were they self hosted? About how long did it take them to rank?

 

[davids355]

Wish someone would try it and see, I know it was getting harder when I stopped it a few years ago, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was still possible.

 

[Ambitious12]

Start quality posting for your website and then only come to gsa once it gains good trust.