[HELP} Churn and Burn 2015

[hotbirtman]

Hi all.

Okay, so I am planning a churn and burn test.
I am looking for some help in the preparation.

The plan is as follows:

Step 1
Create new godaddy account linked to new email address (Account A)
Link credit card
Sign up for auction account
Buy expired PR3 domain (Domain B)
Transfer Domain B into non-godaddy hosting account - with new email address (Account B)
Set random WHOIS info
Add a robots.txt file.
Disallow everything.
Wait till the domain is completely deranked on Google.

Step 2
Create new account with a hosting company not used already above with new email address (Account C)
Link same Credit card as used above
Buy a random domain name (Domain C)
Set random WHOIS info
Add a .htaccess file.301 Redirect to Domain B

Step 3
Create a new account with a hosting company not used already above - with new email address (Account D)
Link same Credit card as used above
Buy a domain for my money site (Domain A)
Add hosting package
Build money site

Step 4
Start hitting Domain C with GSA until it hits 250k minimum.

Step 5
When I'm happy with the links from GSA, add 301 redirect from Domain B to Domain A

Here are my questions:

1. I am separating the accounts as much as possible to avoid google connecting the accounts. Have I gone far enough? Have I gone too far?
2. When Domain A get's banned, do I need to create a new hosting account for the new Domain A?
3. Any other guidance or advice after looking at my plan?

After following this out, I will track my progress in here to see if churn and burn can still be effective.

Thanks

 

[ehinoze]

I will be following this experiment carefully to see the outcome. I think it will nwork cos thats a brand new way to look at this.Wish you success.I hope it works

 

[RuthSam]

Will follow too, if it works I will try this method for sure

 

[chickensalad]

1. Overkill IMO. Big G can't see the private details of hosting companies' customers. Only the hosting company and their accountants have that info. The only thing they can see is WHOIS info - and you've got that covered.

2. You're throwing a heck of a lot of links at the redirect, so I'd if you already have a bunch of different hosting accounts, just use a different one. If you don't have a bunch already - it depends on the host. Hostgator you'll probably be fine since there are hundreds of sites per IP - cheap hosts will be a problem since it's almost exclusively SEOs which use them.

Best of luck.

 

[hotbirtman]

1. Overkill IMO. Big G can't see the private details of hosting companies' customers. Only the hosting company and their accountants have that info. The only thing they can see is WHOIS info - and you've got that covered.

2. You're throwing a heck of a lot of links at the redirect, so I'd if you already have a bunch of different hosting accounts, just use a different one. If you don't have a bunch already - it depends on the host. Hostgator you'll probably be fine since there are hundreds of sites per IP - cheap hosts will be a problem since it's almost exclusively SEOs which use them.

Best of luck.

Thanks for the points.
I am mainly wanting to keep the hosting accounts separate, so the IPs are far apart. Might re-use some email addresses etc, and just host Domain A, B and C on separate accounts, with withheld WHOIS.

I have purchased a 4 year old PR3 for Domain B.
Will take a week to transfer over, then I'll start the de-index process.

Will get Domain C this week as well, and keep you all updated

 

[domin_82]

Hi. Try GSA Redirect Pro, maybe You don't have to setup additional domains, just tier redirects, and blast them with everything You got?

 

[Scritty]

Thing is with churn and burn, the "churn" aspect needs to be fast, cheap and repeatable. Site might never rank, or might get burnt after 2 weeks.
A good method for c&b gets a site up for under $20, ranks it inside 2 weeks and can ditch it and move on just as quickly.

I like the idea of trying 301 for this. My prediction that Google would stop this months ago was wrong (DOH!) As usual, Google are spending years fixing leaks in their algo that an idiot could see the methodology behind and simple fix inside ten minutes.

Then it took then 8 years to prevent Youtube videos being ranked with simple spam. So maybe 301's will work until 2020 or later.

Here's a tagline for them

"Google - not half as good as they pretend to be"

Keep us up to date with this.Sounds interesting

Scritty

 

[mhassni]

You don't need new hosting just set the right DNS domains to point to your other domain.

 

[starki]

As usual, Google are spending years fixing leaks in their algo that an idiot could see the methodology behind and simple fix inside ten minutes.

Then it took then 8 years to prevent Youtube videos being ranked with simple spam. So maybe 301's will work until 2020 or later.

I think what's causing Google headaches is the collateral damage. There are many valid uses for 301s Google doesn't want to penalize. Clearly separating those from the "bad faith" usage is probably a lot harder than it sounds. Same with expired domains for PBNs. Does new content automatically mean it's manipulative? No.

 

[hotbirtman]

Hi. Try GSA Redirect Pro, maybe You don't have to setup additional domains, just tier redirects, and blast them with everything You got?

I was looking at redirect pro the other day. It looks a good option.
To be honest, I will probably stick to the plan above first, then try just redirect pro, then if both fail to get me where I want for medium competitive keywords, I may try a combination of both.

 

[hotbirtman]

You don't need new hosting just set the right DNS domains to point to your other domain.

I don't understand what you mean by "set the right DNS domains to point to your other domain".
Can you explain?

 

[hotbirtman]

Update:
I have setup Domain B. Waiting for de-index before proceeding.

I have a question for anyone who has completed a churn before. When the site burns, do you create completely unique content for the new Domain A, or just copy the old site onto a new domain?

Also, I assume you always stay within the same keyword after the burn?
You don't re-churn another 250k with new keywords?

 

[TheN20]

lol funny story mate

 

[affarmy]

As usual, Scritty is spot on.
But In my experience, you will get more mileage than 30 days out of this. Hosting- one host for A, and the other for B/C. 3 hosts not necessary.
Unique whois/dns (fake is fine).
GSA should be just ONE of your weapons for juice BTW..think BIGGER. As I tell my wife, BIGGER is BETTER.

Thing is with churn and burn, the "churn" aspect needs to be fast, cheap and repeatable. Site might never rank, or might get burnt after 2 weeks.
A good method for c&b gets a site up for under $20, ranks it inside 2 weeks and can ditch it and move on just as quickly.

I like the idea of trying 301 for this. My prediction that Google would stop this months ago was wrong (DOH!) As usual, Google are spending years fixing leaks in their algo that an idiot could see the methodology behind and simple fix inside ten minutes.

Then it took then 8 years to prevent Youtube videos being ranked with simple spam. So maybe 301's will work until 2020 or later.

Here's a tagline for them

"Google - not half as good as they pretend to be"

Keep us up to date with this.Sounds interesting

Scritty

 

[cashcrateaddict]

I think u should add some authority before u go full gsa spam.

Add like 20 PBN posts first, or 20 sape links, then just hit the site with spam a few days. Try to get contextual links though