Bill Gates
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- Jan 5, 2009
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Spot on and about time too!
Cheers for taking action.
Cheers for taking action.
Operation Coaching Crackdown
- Thread starter HaRRo
- Start date
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davejug1
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Ok having digested this thread for a while, I can see one potential problem occuring. Let's say for example a noob buys some expensive "clean" coaching and actually does get ripped off. He then (being a noob) thinks that BHW and whoever personally cleared the coaching as clean should be held partly responsible for his losses. That could cause a bit of a problem all round and if it's not handled effectively at that point, in the future whoever reviews the coaching might place stricter measures in place to minimise the risk rather than be held responsible (rightly or wrongly) again.
boomboomer
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- Feb 7, 2008
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I agree with and appreciate this initiative that the mods and admins here have taken.
My only suggestion would be that not just the content of the coaching be taken into account but also the history of the coach. One quick way of filtering out coaches could be to ask for video proof of them earning $,$$$ a day at least. It could be a higher figure or whatever the admins deem fit but the point is that the would-be coach should be making SUBSTANTIALLY more than the average internet marketer.
It shouldn't matter if the coaching is free or paid for. If you aren't making the big money, the only person you should be coaching is yourself.
My only suggestion would be that not just the content of the coaching be taken into account but also the history of the coach. One quick way of filtering out coaches could be to ask for video proof of them earning $,$$$ a day at least. It could be a higher figure or whatever the admins deem fit but the point is that the would-be coach should be making SUBSTANTIALLY more than the average internet marketer.
It shouldn't matter if the coaching is free or paid for. If you aren't making the big money, the only person you should be coaching is yourself.
oldenstylehats
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- Apr 10, 2008
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Same thing could be said about the BST. Same caveats still apply. There have been quite a few cases where reputable merchants have decided, for whatever reason, to wake up in the morning and scam.
The hardest part about reviewing or assessing the value of ANY product is that value is so very subjective. To me, reading a guide on how to use Web 2.0 properties to increase rankings isn't worth a dime, but to someone who is new to the game, it could be that piece of information that opens their eyes to the bigger picture.
All that I ask is that when you submit your coaching review requests to staff, that you supply a lot of information and not just, "This is what I'm going to do in a single sentence." We need more meat than that.
No need for me to apply, havok already said my shitty methods wouldnt get approved
oldenstylehats
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- Apr 10, 2008
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Egads, man! Have some faith in yourself!
While this is neither the time nor the place, your self-defeating, fatalistic attitude isn't helping out your situation one bit.
Whisker
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- Dec 26, 2007
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I second this boomer. It is only reasonable that if you are talented enough to coach you can submit a camtasia video with proof that you are making actual waves in IM.
- Nov 5, 2008
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I also agree on this with you. I was interviewed by Pofecker in relation to the coaching that I would like to provide in the fields of CSing, SSM and Hamh. I provided exact methods I use, screenshots of my earnings (I can provide camtasia's I don't mind). Pofecker knows the CSing bank I was previously making and losing (egay bastards).
Up to this point I have provided what I believe is all the sufficient information required (even though no mods know what the sufficient requirements to be a trainer is yet as this is not clearly defined in any implemented procedure, yet).
I'm not saying that my training would be suited for the more experienced BH's on here but many people on here are focused on one area and sometimes like to learn more about another income stream.
In my posts I have also spoken that the $100 days are a target for most noobs etc. but that does not mean this is the total amount you can make. This is just the amount I aim to get people too.
All methods are very much scalable and $500-$1k days are achievable. All the information that I can teach might be discussed in one way or another on BHW or other places but for the noob it can take you 5-6 months to digest all the information and methods on BHW (most will give up) many will know bits and pieces but wont know how to put things into action.
CSing, Hamh and SSM are things that I learn't about from BHW mainly. I purchased these things through BHW, scripts, software what ever. I paid for my donor badge. I did this all with BH cash made to invest in a better future for me as a BH. The only reason I got the donor badge was cause I was lucky enough to have a great guy (MP3Mage) take me under his wing in the early days and because I met him on BHW I wanted to give back to BHW.
This is the family / friendship type mentality that is being promoted on BHW. So why should I be prevented from doing the same good things that I experienced and which allowed me to give back to BHW. Wouldn't this be a good circle of life for the forum as a whole?
I was taking on 3 students a week and charging $80 and if they were not making money with me I would give them a 100% no questions ask refund. So far no one has asked for a refund and some have gone on to purchase other methods instead.
$240 a week to me I am providing more to my clients then the worth of the coaching, but to some of them its their introduction to making their first $1 or $100 online in their life.
Please try to remember when this happened to you!!
Take this type of training away and it obviously affects the clients more than it does me. So you might see I'm not requesting this for me but a large percentage of the general population of this forum.
Cheers,
DrStew.
Up to this point I have provided what I believe is all the sufficient information required (even though no mods know what the sufficient requirements to be a trainer is yet as this is not clearly defined in any implemented procedure, yet).
I'm not saying that my training would be suited for the more experienced BH's on here but many people on here are focused on one area and sometimes like to learn more about another income stream.
In my posts I have also spoken that the $100 days are a target for most noobs etc. but that does not mean this is the total amount you can make. This is just the amount I aim to get people too.
All methods are very much scalable and $500-$1k days are achievable. All the information that I can teach might be discussed in one way or another on BHW or other places but for the noob it can take you 5-6 months to digest all the information and methods on BHW (most will give up) many will know bits and pieces but wont know how to put things into action.
CSing, Hamh and SSM are things that I learn't about from BHW mainly. I purchased these things through BHW, scripts, software what ever. I paid for my donor badge. I did this all with BH cash made to invest in a better future for me as a BH. The only reason I got the donor badge was cause I was lucky enough to have a great guy (MP3Mage) take me under his wing in the early days and because I met him on BHW I wanted to give back to BHW.
This is the family / friendship type mentality that is being promoted on BHW. So why should I be prevented from doing the same good things that I experienced and which allowed me to give back to BHW. Wouldn't this be a good circle of life for the forum as a whole?
I was taking on 3 students a week and charging $80 and if they were not making money with me I would give them a 100% no questions ask refund. So far no one has asked for a refund and some have gone on to purchase other methods instead.
$240 a week to me I am providing more to my clients then the worth of the coaching, but to some of them its their introduction to making their first $1 or $100 online in their life.
Please try to remember when this happened to you!!
Take this type of training away and it obviously affects the clients more than it does me. So you might see I'm not requesting this for me but a large percentage of the general population of this forum.
Cheers,
DrStew.
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aмillionaírе
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- Apr 20, 2008
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Too bad some (minors) jokers had to ruin a good thing, I'm sure at the end of the day a good, final "bill" will be put into order, haRRo never fails! What you say makes sense, DrStew. Anything exaggerated within the space of 72 hours is quite hasty, so wait it out people!
The Scarlet Pimp
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- Apr 2, 2008
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Whew! Good thing I'm only offering *MENTORING* for $900. otherwise I'd be in trouble.
- Nov 5, 2008
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Just to let everyone know I have been disapproved from coaching and since this thread was opened I have had a number of people asking for my services.
Please do not PM me anymore. I am not allowed to offer you my services.
You've won this round Gadget!!
On a lighter note, I now have more time on my hands to jack off while reading the amazing methods on BHW YAY!!
Please do not PM me anymore. I am not allowed to offer you my services.
You've won this round Gadget!!
On a lighter note, I now have more time on my hands to jack off while reading the amazing methods on BHW
YAY!!Been reading through this thread and drstew you're pretty hilarious.
I think the idea is fantastic and it will save countless desperate people from being scammed. It's good to see that the mods are willing to take the time to approve people.
I imagine genuine coaches are gonna be quite rare, because anyone that's really good is likely going to want to keep their methods to themselves. Selling an idea is far more cost effective and less skillful than selling a method after all.
I imagine not many will get approved, and that's how it should be, because not many are both qualified and willing to teach.
I think the idea is fantastic and it will save countless desperate people from being scammed. It's good to see that the mods are willing to take the time to approve people.
I imagine genuine coaches are gonna be quite rare, because anyone that's really good is likely going to want to keep their methods to themselves. Selling an idea is far more cost effective and less skillful than selling a method after all.
I imagine not many will get approved, and that's how it should be, because not many are both qualified and willing to teach.
turner
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- Jan 31, 2009
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I'm from the other side of the fence, I badly needed coaching but for not seeing this thread before due to my not having time to read ALL threads, got my 'asking for ..' threads closed. Fair do's ... There has to be a rule book.
thisoldhat - thanks fella
turner
thisoldhat - thanks fella
turner
shylesson
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- Jan 10, 2008
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^^^I like that idea too. And should be easily obtainable for those promoting courses guaranteeing x-income. I think in the very least you should be able to prove that you are making more than you are promoting [and via the methods you are aiming to coach on] so then in the very least everyone benefits:
1. the coach gets approved
2. the board gets some decent, qualified, HELPFUL measures sold. No rehashed theory crap.
Love it. Hope it gets added to the reqs.
sickbaomei
BANNED
- Apr 30, 2009
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Yes.. I applauded this initiative too..
I was myself "scam" by both ppl in BHW and WR offering coaching close to $1K
I was myself "scam" by both ppl in BHW and WR offering coaching close to $1K
MrNoob
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- Mar 16, 2008
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Seems like half the problem the problem is the people bitching and complaining about being scammed. It annoys the mods.
I've been scammed more than once here and never bitched
to the mods. Because thats the name of the game and they have no control over it.
Everyone has to protect their ownselves. Gotta make sure noobs understand that shit happens.
Sure you might want to put the fact that you were scammed to protect other people from getting the same but don't go blaming the forum and the people that run it.
Could we also ban people for bitching when they should know this is the wild west internet
and everyone gets shot down sometime?
Maybe a big warning in the BST, Watch your Butt and Shit Happens?
I appreciate the oportunity to learn even if it's the opportunity to learn that sometimes you get scammed.
I've been scammed more than once here and never bitched
to the mods. Because thats the name of the game and they have no control over it.
Everyone has to protect their ownselves. Gotta make sure noobs understand that shit happens.
Sure you might want to put the fact that you were scammed to protect other people from getting the same but don't go blaming the forum and the people that run it.
Could we also ban people for bitching when they should know this is the wild west internet
and everyone gets shot down sometime?
Maybe a big warning in the BST, Watch your Butt and Shit Happens?
I appreciate the oportunity to learn even if it's the opportunity to learn that sometimes you get scammed.
Yes who are the coaches?
I've bought two coaching methods from BHW.
One was from Gen on CS - fantastic, still making $$$$'s with it today.
The other was from Wealthy199 - *cough* *cough* No Comment!
This new crack down sounds like a great idea, ... and a way to keep members around longer if they are not getting scammed left right and center. It should also ensure the quality of coaching is set at a high standard.
One was from Gen on CS - fantastic, still making $$$$'s with it today.
The other was from Wealthy199 - *cough* *cough* No Comment!
This new crack down sounds like a great idea, ... and a way to keep members around longer if they are not getting scammed left right and center. It should also ensure the quality of coaching is set at a high standard.