What's wrong with my whitehat blogging?

[livapetr]

Hi,

Generally after pandas and penguins I successfully parasitize by automatic content management (since many of you start to beat in death throes when somebody says "autobolg" LOL). Well, not that successfully but with some result, able to pay off hosting, which is miserable as well, as you can understand.

For several times I tried to do something good and made whitehat blogs. Can you figure out what went wrong?

Here's an example of latest experiment:
1. made 5 blogs, to each of them I put 15 well-written articles, ~2000 words each article.
2. Promo was made step-by-step as per Matthew Woodward's SEO recomendations, which is:
3. after 30-40 days fired campains in GSA SER, each site received not more than 70 links/day.
4. Types of chosen sites in GSA were: Article, Blog Comment, Doc Sharing, Image Comment, Social Bookmark, Social Network, Video, Web 2.0
5. Content for promo was taken also by Matthew's advice - Instant Article Wizard
6. Screenshot shows typical traffic history for ALL of those 5 sites. Actual traffic numbers were different from site to site but in common it was similar the chart.
6. On screenshot you can see where penalty came. It came more or less simultaneously for all of 4 sites - except 1 site about home heaters (really long tale keywords, unlike other sites). That last site got zero traffic a lot later - but penalty got it finally, it was unable to withstand.

You can clearly see where SEO started to work. The god damn issue is why did it fall? We can obviously tell that it's penalty.


So, when we just write content without SEO - we'll never get any visitors. When we do SEO - we get smashed.

What did I do wrong and what should be done to thrive like some of you, who made it?

Thanks a lot beforehands to all who will shed any light, your input is really appreciated!!!

 

[bartosimpsonio]

You obviously were caught and penalized. Went too fast. That curve needs to be reeeeaaalllll sllooooowwwww

 

[seventy0ne]

Using GSA SER and article wizard is not whitehat buddy...
As bart said, you need to make it as natural as possible. It is weird seeing a blog jump from zero to thousand links in a month... Especially if organic traffic for blog is low. So, I would recommend you to manually promote your blog, comment on related websites till you get some organic trafic and than you can try with GSA and tools like that on a small scale.

 

[livapetr]

Hi, Bart. Do you mean that 70 links/day was too fast?

Only link creation speed was the issue?

Actually links content quality wasn't that good but since Matt recommended it - I relaxed...

 

[livapetr]

Hi SeventyOne. Yeah, it's not whitehat. I know what is white hat - to write an article, then WAIT and HOPE that NATURAL links will come in. Well, good luck to those to believe it. I tried when I was naive.

 

[bartosimpsonio]

Hi, Bart. Do you mean that 70 links/day was too fast?

Only link creation speed was the issue?

Actually links content quality wasn't that good but since Matt recommended it - I relaxed...

Could be the speed of link creation. Could be their trackers. Could be Gmail. Could be the Chrome browser reporting on you. Could be a competitor reporting you. Could be any number of things.

But yes, 70 links a day for a new site is too fast.

 

[livapetr]

Could be the Chrome browser reporting on you. Could be a competitor reporting you.

With all respect - can't agree. There wasn't anything to report. Articles were very good. Well, if you easily read my opening post in this thread - you can imagine what did text on blogs look like. I don't think that such sites can be taken down by any report...

Well, seems like it's link velocity. Thank you for clarification.

Ah, right. I thought of one more possible issue - only public link sources. Well, I mean the sites where you can easily get free link. Without any links from blogs where you can't get link only with your desire. Can that be an issue as well?

 

[bartosimpsonio]

Ah, right. I thought of one more possible issue - only public link sources. Well, I mean the sites where you can easily get free link. Without any links from blogs where you can't get link only with your desire. Can that be an issue as well?

If you had a fragile link profile then you added low quality links, those are likely to have hurt more than help. If you had a solid link profile and added a few bad links, or a competitor blasted you with bad links, it wouldn't matter much.

 

[livapetr]

If you had a fragile link profile then you added low quality links, those are likely to have hurt more than help. If you had a solid link profile and added a few bad links, or a competitor blasted you with bad links, it wouldn't matter much.

So, that means that if you don't rent higher quality links there is no chance to grow? Nice...

 

[faisal22]

search engines are really intelligent than you think they check every thing..LOL

 

[edgematch]

...So, when we just write content without SEO - we'll never get any visitors. When we do SEO - we get smashed...

Two very wrong conclusions.

1. A blog having quality articles enhanced with lsi keywords will get traffic eventually. Just be patient.
2. What you have done should not be called SEO. It is something like "hey google, come and hit my blogs"

My 2 cents : Start over with patience.

 

[bartosimpsonio]

So, that means that if you don't rent higher quality links there is no chance to grow? Nice...

Read up on link building. There are several ways to get quality links. Guest blog, offer some free download, create link bait(viral stuff people will link to) and so on. But yes, getting strong links is the only way to grow. If you could rank with no links, then everyone would rank and there'd be no difficulty to it.

 

[livapetr]

Two very wrong conclusions.

1. A blog having quality articles enhanced with lsi keywords will get traffic eventually. Just be patient.
2. What you have done should not be called SEO. It is something like "hey google, come and hit my blogs"

My 2 cents : Start over with patience.

Hi Edge.

While I can't neither agree nor argue with 1st clause (even despite the fact that I tried to wait for that "eventually" for 6 months with GrEaT (enhanced, yeah) content back in 2012), let's left that alone as true.

Can you shed any light on second clause? Just a quick example of how you'd do it to clear things out. I know about search button on the forum but it won't let me be sure that I get your meaning.

 

[edgematch]

Hi Edge.

While I can't neither agree nor argue with 1st clause (even despite the fact that I tried to wait for that "eventually" for 6 months with GrEaT (enhanced, yeah) content back in 2012), let's left that alone as true.

Can you shed any light on second clause? Just a quick example of how you'd do it to clear things out. I know about search button on the forum but it won't let me be sure that I get your meaning.

1. I have ranked and I am still ranking several blogs having quality content in several high competition niches. Do not get me wrong though. I don't mean I rank them for #1 or on page 1. But in about 6 months they generally start to bring some money.

2. For the main question, the answer is in fact very simple but also time consuming. If you have built a quality blog, and if you like to power it up for a long term, in my opinion, you have 2 options:

a. PBN. The privacy, size, structure is all up to you. But you should not use "hey come on. Let's get hundreds of backlinks with this great software" techniques on this PBN either. Always use manual methods. That is what I know.

b. The best, strongest and stable approach (and the most boring, time consuming, irritating, funny etc etc) is TO ASK blog owners of the same/similar niches for a link to your site. Granny method? Old school? Not cool?

Unfortunately these are the hard ways with promising results for the people having patience and faith.

PS: I have used the term PBN in a broad meaning even covering web 2.0s and similar options.

 

[livapetr]

TO ASK blog owners of the same/similar niches for a link to your site.

You mean that someone is still reading those emails with begging for a link?

 

[edgematch]

You mean that someone is still reading those emails with begging for a link?

That is why most people fail. Because they (including you) underestimate that old fashioned way. Of course 100% of the blog owners will not do that. But believe me some will be happy to do such a favor as long as your blog deserves that. That is why I said boring, time consuming, irritating etc for this method. But you cannot guess what a strong base you will have by the time for a long term success.

And frankly I did not like your crap statement "begging for a link". First of all, change your mindset. No you will not beg for a link. You will simply ASK for a link to your blog which has a value for the society.

How will you find those blogs? That is the main question here.

 

[Duffers5000]

Have you asked Matthew Woodward for his opinion ? seems like you thought following his every word was a surefire ranking system.

 

[edgematch]

Have you asked Matthew Woodward for his opinion ...

The best answer...

 

[Wilson Grant Fisk]

...

Actually links content quality wasn't that good but since Matt recommended it - I relaxed...

Build shit and rank?
Not very WH IMO

 

[livapetr]

Build shit and rank? Not very WH IMO

What do you mean by shit here? I wrote: "well-written articles'. By low quality content I mean content for links only.

How will you find those blogs? That is the main question here.

Well, finding is the easiest thing - by footprints, blogsearch, etc... I'll try just to find out how real is that because so far I'm sceptical about that. If a webmaster asks me to put a link - I feel that his next step will be blasting my page with tier 2, LOL. That's 1 of the reasons I ignore their requests.

Have you asked Matthew Woodward for his opinion ? seems like you thought following his every word was a surefire ranking system.

Hi, well I ddn't ask. But there are videos where Matt directly instructs to fire around that amount of links per day - I guess that can be taken as his opinion.