Screw Thy Neighbor Threads

[Wilson Grant Fisk]

Well i guess a SEO Service is exactly that : "Screw Thy Neighbor" lol Outrank other people sites and put your clients in front, so you are basically screwing the neighbors ! Should we consider that in the "dirty" threads section also ?

That seems like a childish argument. Ranking a site with SEO is legitimate and BH SEO just means looking at the flaws/loop holes and trying to manipulate them. It doesn't mean I aim to directly destroy a competitors business. Most of the time when using BH SEO you will be trying to outrank the larger companies out there anyway.

Anyway, it is good to see you have "Matt Cutts Insights" on Negative SEO on your site http://powerseoservice.com/gallery/
Will this be a future service offering by you?

 

[virtualpurity]

I'm really not complaing about the community so much as I am pointing out that we, collectively, need to not lower ourselves to unethical methods to make money when there is a TON of money to be made in a way that is not screwing another.

While doing that I mentioned a couple of instances that I saw the past couple of days that particularly irked me.

I am sorry i dont want to trash threads or anything but i still see a big amount of contradiction in your post. You are talking and asking for a clean BHW of unethical methods in your posts for people not to use to "trow down their competition" or take advantage of the system and in the same time you are offering a SEO Service which is clear blackhat method of manipulating the system and as put in your own words "screwing other people" (outranking them) to make money.

BHW is a place to learn and methods to promote your business offline in an ethical way.

I do agree that some topics should not be discussed here like malware/botnets etc because of the rules and attention of the popularity of this forum brings but you can not say that BHW is a place where you can learn only WH ethical methods. When did BHW become WHW ? I see you are a member since 2010 and i guess you know what was BHW all about in the old days and what kind of methods were posted back then for money making. I know a lot has changed from than but it is still Black Hat World and those kind of threads can sometimes be useful and educational for members or users searching this forum for explanations of their situation.

That seems like a childish argument. Ranking a site with SEO is legitimate and BH SEO just means looking at the flaws/loop holes and trying to manipulate them. It doesn't mean I aim to directly destroy a competitors business. Most of the time when using BH SEO you will be trying to outrank the larger companies out there anyway.

Anyway, it is good to see you have "Matt Cutts Insights" on Negative SEO on your site http://powerseoservice.com/gallery/
Will this be a future service offering by you?

Yes we are considering it, why not i never argued against negative SEO in the first place.. And yes it doesn't mean that YOU aim to directly destroy a competitors business but you do it anyway in the process right ? So you are basically screwing the neighbor ! You can see the contradictions here with OP`s post.
And how can you say that ranking a site with SEO is legitimate when clearly creating any kind of links that are not made in a natural way is blackhat by itself.

Take also the Instagram Bot or other bots you are offering in your signature for another example, arent those "screw thy neighbor" also ? Taking advantage of the system and screw all the people that are working hard to expand or promote their business legitimately on the various Social Networks ?

I am just saying that there is a lot of contradiction here of what is considered Whitehat and what Blackhat.

Anyway i see that a lot of people getting upset by my posts so i`ll be off this thread now.

Cheers

 

[mickyfu]

I am sorry i dont want to trash threads or anything but i still see a big amount of contradiction in your post. You are talking and asking for a clean BHW of unethical methods in your posts for people not to use to "trow down their competition" or take advantage of the system and in the same time you are offering a SEO Service which is clear blackhat method of manipulating the system and as put in your own words "screwing other people" (outranking them) to make money.

This is complete rubbish and I think you know it, bettering your own website is not the same as trashing someone elses website. To suggest it is is just completely stupid.

It is like comparing two shops side by side. And saying doing your shop up to make it look better than the one next door, is the same as smashing the shop up next door to make yours look better.

 

[Wilson Grant Fisk]

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I am just saying that there is a lot of contradiction here of what is considered Whitehat and what Blackhat.

Anyway i see that a lot of people getting upset by my posts so i`ll be off this thread now.

Cheers

Nobody is getting upset, debate and discussion are good.

If you look at the examples in the OP, they were illegal and fraudulent methods mentioned.
Being BH doesn't mean you can't be professional and within the law.

I don't mind discussing anything but I certainly wouldn't do it on a Public forum.
BHW is owned by a UK company and hosted in the UK, it has to abide by UK law.
As the UK is more or less the USA's bitch these days, if any security agency applied to the court for access, then I am sure it would be given.

If people want BHW to cover all methods legal or illegal then it needs to go offshore and beyond the reach of Law Enforcement.

The more certain subjects are discussed it is likely to bring the wrong crowd and have a detrimental effect on BHW.


Consider this: If I had an offline bricks and mortar business, say a shop, and further down the road a big branch of one of the national chains opens up. Should I go down there and throw a Molotov through the window or do I try to improve MY business?
I might not be able to compete on price but I CAN give the best personal service to my customers. I can cater to their individual needs and they will be loyal.

The analogy might not make sense, I am tired lol


EDIT: Damn, mickyfu beat me to it lol

 

[tonib]

This is complete rubbish and I think you know it, bettering your own website is not the same as trashing someone elses website. To suggest it is is just completely stupid.

It is like comparing two shops side by side. And saying doing your shop up to make it look better than the one next door, is the same as smashing the shop up next door to make yours look better.

Aside from ethical reasons does it really matter if the outcome is the same? Thread is about screwing your neighbor and in both examples with the two shops you are screwing the neighbor.

Edit: As long as it is legal that is.

 

[mickyfu]

Aside from ethical reasons does it really matter if the outcome is the same? Thread is about screwing your neighbor and in both examples with the two shops you are screwing the neighbor.

Edit: As long as it is legal that is.

So you think bettering yourself is screwing someone over? No it is not, they are more than welcome to better their own business, except it is hard to better your business if some little cnt is out to destroy it. The two are completely different, they are not similar in the slightest.

 

[evilclown]

To make money, you don't need to screw other people. When others get in your way you remove them from the map.

 

[KHer0]

WTF. .. Doing SEO to outrank your site is as same as Hacking your website and taking it down! This community is turning into shit! ?!?!

 

[tonib]

So you think bettering yourself is screwing someone over? No it is not, they are more than welcome to better their own business, except it is hard to better your business if some little cnt is out to destroy it. The two are completely different, they are not similar in the slightest.

Basically, if you beat some competitor using white hat methods you are still screwing him and you don't get to say "I fucked him over, but it's okay, because I was using white hat techniques".

If we (me and you) own ice cream shops next to each other I can go white hat and lower my prices, or I can go for negative "SEO" and say "mickyfu uses the ice cones to fondle his balls while the customers are not watching".

What are the advantages of me bettering myself using the white hat (lowering my prices) other than improving myself psychologically/my business? White hat or black hat your business ends screwed and I get on top in a legal way.

 

[evilclown]

Basically, if you beat some competitor using white hat methods you are still screwing him and you don't get to say "I fucked him over, but it's okay, because I was using white hat techniques".

If we (me and you) own ice cream shops next to each other I can go white hat and lower my prices, or I can go for negative "SEO" and say "mickyfu uses the ice cones to fondle his balls while the customers are not watching".

What are the advantages of me bettering myself using the white hat (lowering my prices) other than improving myself psychologically/my business? White hat or black hat your business ends screwed and I get on top in a legal way.

The raising or lowering the price is a business procedure, talking shit about another business to drive yours up is jealousy, ignorance, and low self esteem.

 

[tonib]

The raising or lowering the price is a business procedure, talking shit about another business to drive yours up is jealousy, ignorance, and low self esteem.

I absolutely agree! But then again I am selfish and I do not have any ethics and in my opinion "as long as it is legal it is okay".

Actually, now that I am thinking about it this has nothing to do with OP's thread. He was talking about clickjacking and cheating. I am against that.

 

[mickyfu]

I think you will find it is not legal.

 

[wisdomkid]

i think the guy should have the Ban Hammer on his head!

 

[evilclown]

I absolutely agree! But then again I am selfish and I do not have any ethics and in my opinion "as long as it is legal it is okay".

Actually, now that I am thinking about it this has nothing to do with OP's thread. He was talking about clickjacking and cheating. I am against that.

And I know some business owner that think that way. "No body gives nothing, they can all gotta hell". I don't avoid them, but I don't business with them. Now, I don't trash talk them and if someone ask me about him, I will tell them. We don't do business because our difference in opinions of how to conduct businesses. Its just that I set high standards for myself, my colleagues, and my family.

 

[tonib]

I think you will find it is not legal.

What is illegal? Talking shit about somebody's business?

 

[evilclown]

What is illegal? Talking shit about somebody's business?

Well that could be consider obstructing a business if you do it on scale that will obstruct the business to perform. I don't know if its jail time or fines or compensation. But its on those realms.

 

[mickyfu]

What is illegal? Talking shit about somebody's business?

Purposely ruining someones business with intent. Also if you said I dipped my dick in the ice cream and it is simply a lie, it is slander.

 

[Tensegrity]

This is complete rubbish and I think you know it, bettering your own website is not the same as trashing someone elses website. To suggest it is is just completely stupid.

It is like comparing two shops side by side. And saying doing your shop up to make it look better than the one next door, is the same as smashing the shop up next door to make yours look better.

It sounds like virtualpurity may be one of the characters who don't belong here. At least if he is openly supporting negative SEO, that's just some nasty business right there.

Anyway, I wholeheartedly agree with BassTrackerBoats. A friend of mine the other day told me he no longer comes to BHW because "it's full of scammers and cheats". I tried to retort, but he wouldn't budge from his position. At the end of the day, if you look at the forum, it truly is full of scammers and cheats. That doesn't mean everyone here is, but there's enough here to justify that statement.

It sucks cuz it makes me feel like I'm being associated with them. That's why I barely interact with people here.

 

[Techxan]

This should be turned into a pledge that all new members have to take.

Recently there have been a handful of "Screw Thy Neighbor" threads posted here and it is a little disconcerting. STN was a card game I played back in college (I was not real good at going to classes) where you would turn things around on the guy to your left or right and basically screw them so they could not win the game.

Recently we have had a guy that wanted to take advantage of proxies to click on ads (clickjacking), another guy that wanted to implement malware to generate leads for a CPA offer and who knows what else is being put out that is producing bad Karma for the community and for the internet marketing industry as a whole.

Blackhatworld is not a place to figure ways to screw the next guy by stealing via click jacking, putting crap on another's computer without them knowing or any other negative event where you are the creator or are a part of the genesis of that event. It is not here for you to promote that kind of activity either.

BHW is a place where you learn to "game" the system. Find the loopholes in the system so that you can take advantage of those loopholes without Effing your fellow man.

BHW is a place to learn and share tools that can work those loopholes for you with minimal effort.

BHW is a place to learn and share methods on how to make a buck in the online or internet marketing world.

BHW is a place to learn and methods to promote your business offline in an ethical way.

BHW is a place to get or give advice on a variety of other things that wold have a positive impact on one's life.

BHW is a place to recommend quality service providers.

We find work arounds, Folks, not screw arounds. We figure the way to "Beat the system" and to work smarter and not harder and do it in an ethical way.

Remember that you are business men and women and that you are in an industry that is suspect to many to begin with and that it is important, just like any industry, to maintain a certain level of ethical behavior so that the world sees the industry as a legitimate one.

In business you never talked badly about a competitor, you never do something to drag down your industry as a whole and you do what you can to keep your little corner of the world clean. It is proper and right that one promotes the industry in which they are making a living and try not to be responsible for bringing dirt upon it.

If you sold a food product (and I did for years) you would not say how bad the competitor's product was nor would you say that you were the only one that had a good product. You would not promote your business by stealing from others in the same industry nor would you use "scare" tactics (malware in our industry) to get one to purchase from you.

You would be sure that the world knew that you were ran a clean business in a clean industry because yo want that business to be successful as well as sustainable. Sure, you can be successful and be a jack wagon but you will not have a sustainable business model and successful without sustainable is nothing to write home about.

Let's be sure to keep our focus on the positives in the industry and maintain the ethics that will cause our industry, the internet marketing industry, to continue to grow so that we can bank for years to come.

 

[heistman]

This should be turned into a pledge that all new members have to take.

You make all the sense in the world.