Permanently Closed Marketplace Sales Thread
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OK ... I bought like 200 got 100 free and had like 50 more -- so that's 350 accounts on the various sites.
3 weeks into it now - and I have 143 left.
So I think you pretty much need to quality control these sites ASAP - and stop selling accounts on Sites that are banning Posts within 24 hours.
Forget adding more advanced features and other things -- get back to the basics of the product and add sites that are going to allow posts to stick... to make up for these others.
I pay $60 a month or $55 or whatever it is -- but the real cost is much higher due to the account buying.
So I guess I'll give you 5 more weeks to fix this -- quality control or I'm cancelling. thanks.
3 weeks into it now - and I have 143 left.
So I think you pretty much need to quality control these sites ASAP - and stop selling accounts on Sites that are banning Posts within 24 hours.
Forget adding more advanced features and other things -- get back to the basics of the product and add sites that are going to allow posts to stick... to make up for these others.
I pay $60 a month or $55 or whatever it is -- but the real cost is much higher due to the account buying.
So I guess I'll give you 5 more weeks to fix this -- quality control or I'm cancelling. thanks.
I had it for a few months and cancelled for the same reason. Everybody was talking about how great it was so I thought there was something wrong with the way I was using it. Glad to see someone being more vocal about the accounts dying off so fast. What a waste of time. Good luck. I might check out FCS.
itsjinx
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Danny - I feel your pain. I can't even use the service successfully to post to 20 simple self-hosted wordpress websites which you would think is something so basic! Their poor programming keeps on posting the same article to 3 or 4 of my private blogs, creating horrible duplicate content, even though the "Article Posting Limit" is set to 1.
I haven't had any response from support in over 2 months of waiting and hoping they fix it. Something so basic can't even work properly, which is why I'm looking for another service as well!
I haven't had any response from support in over 2 months of waiting and hoping they fix it. Something so basic can't even work properly, which is why I'm looking for another service as well!
I'm sure there has to be a way to make it post to your sites properly as I think the posting side seems to me at least working.
I'm using the RSS feed style and I have no complaints on that side of things.
But yeah as we are all finding out - it can be the best posting engine on the planet - but if the Sites included ban you either before you post or after you make a first post - then you gotta stop using them - its wasting time and money ..... the sites need quality control and maybe others to replace them.
Anyway I'll stay with it for one more payment period to see if he can get something going there - or I'm done as well -- I'm not in the business of throwing money away.
I'm using the RSS feed style and I have no complaints on that side of things.
But yeah as we are all finding out - it can be the best posting engine on the planet - but if the Sites included ban you either before you post or after you make a first post - then you gotta stop using them - its wasting time and money ..... the sites need quality control and maybe others to replace them.
Anyway I'll stay with it for one more payment period to see if he can get something going there - or I'm done as well -- I'm not in the business of throwing money away.
pk_69
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I think we pretty open with our posting stats http://www.rankwyz.com/sites/ and you can also say that we have successfully posted on over 200 sites in Nov, which is very impressive.
Danny1111 and b520fp0 you are definitely missing the main point of our service - creating blog networks on high authority sites. You might argue, but there are *no* authority sites that are not actively tracking and banning account falling into *their* anti-spamming policy. The is no value of posting only on sites that are 100% not banning. exactly because those sites are most spammed. Real benefit is find the way to create your blogs on sites with high authority despite of their tough anti-spamming policy.
Important point is that not *our* accounts are dying fast, this is *your* accounts are dying fast. It's very easy get 200 account banned and it requires strategy to keep them alive, grown in number posts and authority.
Below are opensiteexplorer's stats on web2 blogs managed by RankWyz. I took screenshots from moz even we collect these number inside RankWyz so you didn't blame me for showing fake stats.
While you are looking for sites easy to spam and that are not deleting accounts, our members building solid strong SEO networks with RankWyz
As you can see sites like edublogs, which in many cases are banning on the fly because of the content, links, etc can be kept alive and turn into very powerful SEO blogs.
We don't have huge user base, but it's still in hundreds of paying users and we are getting constantly ideas and suggestions on how to improve the service, but yours - remove all high authority web2 sites that have active anti-spamming policy is the most unusual. you don't need to wait 5 weeks to see any sites removed
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pk_69
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I think it's as inappropriate for you to comment on our programming skills as me comment on your intelligence for not being able to use service that used successfully by hundreds of other users.
I disagree with you. I think the right answer for these problems is quick support, shared best practices etc.
And no bad comments would be posted here but just satisfied clients' reviews...
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slim_dusty
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There are numerous reasons why blogs get banned, but it's just part and parcel of posting on high PR web 2.0 blogs. Most of these sites have pretty active anti-spamming strategies, and some of the sites like Tumblr and Edublogs are downright ban happy and will mass ban blogs for no good reason at all.
On the rankwyz forum there are lots of posts and discussions about the best way to preserve blogs and to build authority blogs. The forum is not very well laid out, so it can be hard to navigate through all of the posts. I'm not going to post out any links to the rankwyz forum due to BHW forum rules, but suffice it to say that BHW forum is for sales questions, whereas more technical questions are generally found on the rankwyz forum.
Rankwyz provides a posting platform for around 100 high PR web 2.0 and 100 social bookmarking sites. It also has a very good account creator. Rankwyz provides a massive pool of proxies and resources for scraping content and integrating with other tools to allow backlinking. But it is really up to each individual user to get the best results.
I think it's pretty unfair to blame rankwyz for your blogs getting deleted.
There has been a lot written about the best ways to preserve the longevity of blogs. I think the most important factor is to do with proxies. The proxy that you created the account with and the proxy that you post with are extremely important. When blogs get mass banned I suspect it's to do with banning on the basis of proxies.
One area where using rankwyz can lead to problems is with the posting from their pool of private proxies. Rankwyz uses a system of posting where once a successful post to a blog is made from a proxy, that specific proxy will be 'bound' to that blog and used for all subsequent posting to the blog. Using these 'sticky' proxies will prevent using different proxies each time for posting, which prevents an obvious ban trigger.
Despite this, rankwyz posts thousands of posts per day from their proxy block, and this does open it to having their proxies groups banned from time to time. The same is probably true when you use your own private proxies, since proxy providers have certain IP ranges they use and it is common for blogs to ban certain IP ranges from time to time.
There is no easy way around this, except to say that there is the feature to use your own private proxies for posting in rankwyz and for people who want to increase their chances of their blogs sticking I would recommend using their own private proxies for posting.
Rankwyz has evolved significantly over the last year, and users continuously give feedback to help the product develop. Hopefully the feedback will continue to be constructive!
On the rankwyz forum there are lots of posts and discussions about the best way to preserve blogs and to build authority blogs. The forum is not very well laid out, so it can be hard to navigate through all of the posts. I'm not going to post out any links to the rankwyz forum due to BHW forum rules, but suffice it to say that BHW forum is for sales questions, whereas more technical questions are generally found on the rankwyz forum.
Rankwyz provides a posting platform for around 100 high PR web 2.0 and 100 social bookmarking sites. It also has a very good account creator. Rankwyz provides a massive pool of proxies and resources for scraping content and integrating with other tools to allow backlinking. But it is really up to each individual user to get the best results.
I think it's pretty unfair to blame rankwyz for your blogs getting deleted.
There has been a lot written about the best ways to preserve the longevity of blogs. I think the most important factor is to do with proxies. The proxy that you created the account with and the proxy that you post with are extremely important. When blogs get mass banned I suspect it's to do with banning on the basis of proxies.
One area where using rankwyz can lead to problems is with the posting from their pool of private proxies. Rankwyz uses a system of posting where once a successful post to a blog is made from a proxy, that specific proxy will be 'bound' to that blog and used for all subsequent posting to the blog. Using these 'sticky' proxies will prevent using different proxies each time for posting, which prevents an obvious ban trigger.
Despite this, rankwyz posts thousands of posts per day from their proxy block, and this does open it to having their proxies groups banned from time to time. The same is probably true when you use your own private proxies, since proxy providers have certain IP ranges they use and it is common for blogs to ban certain IP ranges from time to time.
There is no easy way around this, except to say that there is the feature to use your own private proxies for posting in rankwyz and for people who want to increase their chances of their blogs sticking I would recommend using their own private proxies for posting.
Rankwyz has evolved significantly over the last year, and users continuously give feedback to help the product develop. Hopefully the feedback will continue to be constructive!
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thanks for your point of view.... but your missing the point.
** When I get accounts from you (free) or I buy them -- they are already banned or when I make a simple post no matter what the post is they are getting deleted ...... so I am losing 80% of blogs each month.
My suggestion is you quality control the accounts -- Proxies / Creation or however your doing it - because its not working.
Also - to fine tune the Sites to get rid of Sites that autodelete
So simply shifting the blame onto me - well I disagree with you there.
If as the next person says - that your bank of proxies is getting flagged and we have to basically take over this function for you - then you need to lower the price to compensate me for having to take over this feature.
**** To Be Crystal clear - the posting part I'm satisfied with 100% despite what a few other people mentioned where they had issues .. but this is not my problem at all - as you can read from above.
** When I get accounts from you (free) or I buy them -- they are already banned or when I make a simple post no matter what the post is they are getting deleted ...... so I am losing 80% of blogs each month.
My suggestion is you quality control the accounts -- Proxies / Creation or however your doing it - because its not working.
Also - to fine tune the Sites to get rid of Sites that autodelete
So simply shifting the blame onto me - well I disagree with you there.
If as the next person says - that your bank of proxies is getting flagged and we have to basically take over this function for you - then you need to lower the price to compensate me for having to take over this feature.
**** To Be Crystal clear - the posting part I'm satisfied with 100% despite what a few other people mentioned where they had issues .. but this is not my problem at all - as you can read from above.
slim_dusty
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Sorry, I must have missed that - If you're talking about the purchased or free blogs getting easily deleted, then I agree with you. The rankwyz accounts being sold are very cheap, and the free ones are... well they're free!. Nevertheless, if such a large number of the blogs you purchased are getting instantly deleted then that's pretty frustrating.
I've never bought the blogs from the account store and I don't use their free blogs, so I can't really comment on the quality of those blogs. I used to create all my blogs with custom zennoposter scripts, and then use rankwyz for posting. Now that they have their account creator (which is pretty good) I've stopped using my zenno account creators and just rely on the rankwyz account creator. I've just posted a step by step guide about how I set up the account creator if you're interested. When you use the account creator to create accounts they really are dirt cheap - it's really the cost of captcha, so 1000 accounts will cost $2. The account creator will probably only successfully create 600 or so accounts of which you'll lose around a quarter through banning. So overall you'd look at around 500 blogs created for around $2 - that's pretty cheap, and those 500 blogs are from around 50-100 different platforms so you've got pretty good diversity.
The way I see it is that Pavel is always adding extra things to rankwyz while the overall cost to us stays the same. It was originally designed as a poster only and now does a lot more. So if not all of the features work 100% I'm still pretty happy with the overall value delivered. I suppose I'm just looking at the glass being half full....
From my point of view the area where rankwyz could improve would be to improve the quality of the content they produce - their scraped content, also known as 'syndicated articles'. Rankwyz supports lots of different content types, such as news and social aggregation, RSS feeds, own content, article builder and also integrates well with Kontent Machine. Their own scraped content is OK, but this is definitely an area they could improve. Imagine being able to have content produced for you which is relatively unique and semi readable as well as produced in bulk content. Particularly with ongoing search engine updates, content will continue to be more and more important... hope content production continues to improve.
I've never bought the blogs from the account store and I don't use their free blogs, so I can't really comment on the quality of those blogs. I used to create all my blogs with custom zennoposter scripts, and then use rankwyz for posting. Now that they have their account creator (which is pretty good) I've stopped using my zenno account creators and just rely on the rankwyz account creator. I've just posted a step by step guide about how I set up the account creator if you're interested. When you use the account creator to create accounts they really are dirt cheap - it's really the cost of captcha, so 1000 accounts will cost $2. The account creator will probably only successfully create 600 or so accounts of which you'll lose around a quarter through banning. So overall you'd look at around 500 blogs created for around $2 - that's pretty cheap, and those 500 blogs are from around 50-100 different platforms so you've got pretty good diversity.
The way I see it is that Pavel is always adding extra things to rankwyz while the overall cost to us stays the same. It was originally designed as a poster only and now does a lot more. So if not all of the features work 100% I'm still pretty happy with the overall value delivered. I suppose I'm just looking at the glass being half full....
From my point of view the area where rankwyz could improve would be to improve the quality of the content they produce - their scraped content, also known as 'syndicated articles'. Rankwyz supports lots of different content types, such as news and social aggregation, RSS feeds, own content, article builder and also integrates well with Kontent Machine. Their own scraped content is OK, but this is definitely an area they could improve. Imagine being able to have content produced for you which is relatively unique and semi readable as well as produced in bulk content. Particularly with ongoing search engine updates, content will continue to be more and more important... hope content production continues to improve.
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Yeah when I signed up I was just wanting to buy the accounts and load them into the software and let it do its thing -- the content creation is not an issue for me - as I'm using my own articles.
But its getting to be extremely frustrating for me to burn so many purchased accounts and the free ones I'm given.
So maybe that's the answer - he should offer different packages for people using the various features. Like me all I need is the poster and account creation -- if the account creation sucks as it appears to for me - then I should just pay for the Poster - which I'm happy with.
Anyway I read the forums and everyone who is doing the same as me - has the exact same issues.
** Summary : I guess I have to make my own accounts at end of the day or just cancel because its just not worth it as is.
But its getting to be extremely frustrating for me to burn so many purchased accounts and the free ones I'm given.
So maybe that's the answer - he should offer different packages for people using the various features. Like me all I need is the poster and account creation -- if the account creation sucks as it appears to for me - then I should just pay for the Poster - which I'm happy with.
Anyway I read the forums and everyone who is doing the same as me - has the exact same issues.
** Summary : I guess I have to make my own accounts at end of the day or just cancel because its just not worth it as is.
slim_dusty
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I reckon a lot of the accounts that are created as "successful" accounts may not have actually been created successfully - they will be "dead" blogs before they are even posted on.
For quality control, I think rankwyz should post a few test posts, like welcome posts, to make sure the blogs are valid and to keep them under the radar- this will filter out a lot of the dead blogs before they are sold to customers.
Otherwise I definitely recommend setting up and using the account creator- it will take an hour or so to set up but then you can pretty much leave it on auto pilot to create thousands of blog accounts.
For quality control, I think rankwyz should post a few test posts, like welcome posts, to make sure the blogs are valid and to keep them under the radar- this will filter out a lot of the dead blogs before they are sold to customers.
Otherwise I definitely recommend setting up and using the account creator- it will take an hour or so to set up but then you can pretty much leave it on auto pilot to create thousands of blog accounts.
Re Accounts : I think your right.
Someone mentioned about Posting to Blogger - I can confirm this works as I tried it last night - you have to log into blogger and allow email posting and create a email there by adding a word - then copy that email into the system. I just used an RSS Feed and it grabbed the image and post and inserted links as you would expect ... so definately this works.... cheers.
Someone mentioned about Posting to Blogger - I can confirm this works as I tried it last night - you have to log into blogger and allow email posting and create a email there by adding a word - then copy that email into the system. I just used an RSS Feed and it grabbed the image and post and inserted links as you would expect ... so definately this works.... cheers.
xha44a
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Hi,
Just thought I would weigh in here as it looks the OP is taking a lot of flak...
I would like to thank OP for his service Rankwyz. I'm managing a *tiny* network of 100 web 2.0 blogs at the moment, and am having 100% posting rate. My blogs aren't getting banned or anything from using Rankwyz.
As far as the created accounts getting banned, I would like to point out that handmade Web 2.0's on BHW here will only guarantee a 90% stick rate - expecting 10% to get banned. And that's handmade, no spun crap, just creating accounts by hand in India will factor for 10% getting banned, and that's with profiles/themes/about us page customizations in order to make it seem legit.
You want to buy 1k of them and think they'll stick? Those are automatic. AFAIK no profile changes, theme changes or about me customization - I'd say you should be happy if you get 70% stick rate. That seems like the high end to me. I'd expect 50%. Factor it into the cost of your 2.0's or buy quality ones here on BHW market.
XH
Just thought I would weigh in here as it looks the OP is taking a lot of flak...
I would like to thank OP for his service Rankwyz. I'm managing a *tiny* network of 100 web 2.0 blogs at the moment, and am having 100% posting rate. My blogs aren't getting banned or anything from using Rankwyz.
As far as the created accounts getting banned, I would like to point out that handmade Web 2.0's on BHW here will only guarantee a 90% stick rate - expecting 10% to get banned. And that's handmade, no spun crap, just creating accounts by hand in India will factor for 10% getting banned, and that's with profiles/themes/about us page customizations in order to make it seem legit.
You want to buy 1k of them and think they'll stick? Those are automatic. AFAIK no profile changes, theme changes or about me customization - I'd say you should be happy if you get 70% stick rate. That seems like the high end to me. I'd expect 50%. Factor it into the cost of your 2.0's or buy quality ones here on BHW market.
XH
@xha44a -- let me buy 500 accounts from you on the various sites -- and if I get 95% posting success on them I'll give you an extra $100 - otherwise you pay me back my money.. that's even less than the 100% you claim...no brainer for you right ?
again your missing the point - the truth seems to be when you buy from the account store - the accounts are already dead when you purchase them.. as the success rates are much lower than 50% .. that is the only explanation that makes sense .. post or no post they are DOA.
like I said I don't care for the bells and whistles - my focus is on accounts and posts -- I want maximum accounts to be able to survive 6 months + otherwise what's the point.... so that's why I suggested a cleanout/update or whatever it takes to get most bang for my buck.
again your missing the point - the truth seems to be when you buy from the account store - the accounts are already dead when you purchase them.. as the success rates are much lower than 50% .. that is the only explanation that makes sense .. post or no post they are DOA.
like I said I don't care for the bells and whistles - my focus is on accounts and posts -- I want maximum accounts to be able to survive 6 months + otherwise what's the point.... so that's why I suggested a cleanout/update or whatever it takes to get most bang for my buck.
xha44a
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@Danny1111 I was just sharing my experience and thoughts on it no reason to get hostile.
Suggestion for the OP. You have a great product, don't ruin it by spending more time focusing on stuff that's not your specialty i.e. account creation. If you got it down pat, fine, but wasting your time on account creation for the pennies it probably brings you doesn't seem like a smart strategy to me.
One idea you might considering implementing... open up your account creation service. Get other people creating and selling the accounts and you take a commission. Let them set their own prices. So instead of people buying from you and getting angry at you if they are dead and not working, there could be 10 sellers there selling accounts. People could leave ratings on the accounts to see which ones are good at making accounts and which ones get banned quick. Just an idea. You could transfer the work you don't specialize out to others who may get better stick rates.
XH
Suggestion for the OP. You have a great product, don't ruin it by spending more time focusing on stuff that's not your specialty i.e. account creation. If you got it down pat, fine, but wasting your time on account creation for the pennies it probably brings you doesn't seem like a smart strategy to me.
One idea you might considering implementing... open up your account creation service. Get other people creating and selling the accounts and you take a commission. Let them set their own prices. So instead of people buying from you and getting angry at you if they are dead and not working, there could be 10 sellers there selling accounts. People could leave ratings on the accounts to see which ones are good at making accounts and which ones get banned quick. Just an idea. You could transfer the work you don't specialize out to others who may get better stick rates.
XH
I disagree, this is part of their smart strategy.
RW creates accounts on proxies and try to post via THOSE proxies too.
Consider account registration and posting happens from different IPs, that account would be banned really quickly.
They obviously can achieve higher "survival" rates this way.
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