Blackhatters: Don't you feel bad?

[Ghoast]

Also it's worth pointing out that you can still be ridiculously blackhat while providing something of value to people and not harming anyone.. For me blackhat is something that's out of the box, there's a very fine line as well between automation and blackhat.. when does it become wrong to perform an action many times to sway things in your favor..?

Here's an example of some possibly blackhat tactics that can be used to bring benefit to people. Small little 'blackhat' money spinners are a lot of fun to come up with and I want to show you how you can do this but feel good about it too..

As a side project I'm having a little test on a facebook marketing method for an aff product. The product I have chosen is actually really good and brings real value to the people who will use it. I bought a subscription to the service and verified that it was legit myself. To market this though I have bought lots of fb likes (so it seems legit) and got testimonials made on fiverr.. I think that is blackhat - fake testimonias and popularity.. However the actual product is legit, I'm just getting the ball rolling and the people who pay the very cheap subscription fee for the service will actually get something really good out of it..

Blackhat is just a tool, like a knife for example, you can use it to hold up a jewelry store and rob the place or you can use it to cut delicate pieces of sushi and charge a bucket load! Both scenarios can be fun to plan out, but only one of them will benefit people other than yourself, for me I put my focus into these projects because they can be just as rewarding financially (often far more long term) so I don't see the point in day dreaming about more sinister methods..

 

[crazedspyker]

Also it's worth pointing out that you can still be ridiculously blackhat while providing something of value to people and not harming anyone.. For me blackhat is something that's out of the box, there's a very fine line as well between automation and blackhat.. when does it become wrong to perform an action many times to sway things in your favor..? Here's an example of some possibly blackhat tactics that can be used to bring benefit to people. Small little 'blackhat' money spinners are a lot of fun to come up with and I want to show you how you can do this but feel good about it too.. As a side project I'm having a little test on a facebook marketing method for an aff product. The product I have chosen is actually really good and brings real value to the people who will use it. I bought a subscription to the service and verified that it was legit myself. To market this though I have bought lots of fb likes (so it seems legit) and got testimonials made on fiverr.. I think that is blackhat - fake testimonias and popularity.. However the actual product is legit, I'm just getting the ball rolling and the people who pay the very cheap subscription fee for the service will actually get something really good out of it.. Blackhat is just a tool, like a knife for example, you can use it to hold up a jewelry store and rob the place or you can use it to cut delicate pieces of sushi and charge a bucket load! Both scenarios can be fun to plan out, but only one of them will benefit people other than yourself, for me I put my focus into these projects because they can be just as rewarding financially (often far more long term) so I don't see the point in day dreaming about more sinister methods..

This pretty much sums up how I see/use blackhat. But for me, it's more about automation than anything else. I personally wouldn't do anything to make money that harms others in the process. I don't condemn others if they choose to do it, and I don't judge them based on their choice either. Everyone has their own set of rules for what they will or won't do. I have mine and that's all that matters to me. There are a lot of products on clickbank that I wouldn't even think about promoting.



I refuse to promote any product that does not add value to the person buying it. I think I've only had a handful of refunds as far as I can remember. Maybe in the future I will be able to stretch my "boundary" a bit further (comfortably), because I have to admit, it does limit me from banking more. I just need to know that I'm adding more value than I'm taking.

EDIT: lol I just got a sale right as I was taking a screen shot of the above. yay!

 

[iglow]

frauders are not blackhatters. u are messing up terms.

 

[Tasty Oj]

Definitely. Everyone has a different idea when it comes to blackhat stuff. I'm sure most of the people that do shady things don't mind.

 

[spmcnerd]

Yes Only you will answer for you

 

[brainburn]

How do you deal with it?

Well, it all depends on what you take emotional ownership of. In more familiar words, it's all about what you feel responsible for.

How do you deal with the fact that billions of people are suffering or about to die every moment?
How do you deal with the fact that there are people who exist right now who are suffering some problem that no one will solve unless you do?
Do you take responsibility for the people who have to wait for your help because you want to watch a movie?

You don't feel responsible, do you? You'd go crazy. You have to get over it to function and be happy but you are being "greedy". It's simple self interest in a limited existence. There will always be a surplus of people being wronged and you will be contributing every moment you're not consciously acting out of charity.

You're going to take some and you're going to give back some, just realize that you are always always always doing x so that you can experience y. That's the formula, whether it hurts or helps anyone else in the process is a secondary emotional evaluation.

In my experience, taking and giving should support each other... but in the end you're always going to do what you're emotionally comfortable with. If you're uncomfortable, think deeply about why. Give yourself an answer, and then question that answer. Ask "why?" again and again until you have no clue what your answer is and that's usually the root of your problem.

 

[BHopkins]

If you look at the logo, this is a black hat SEO forum. Not a black hat hacking/cracking/illegal forum. Most people here are in SEO and IM, not cracking/hacking and other illegal enterprises.

 

[VinceC]

Blackhat is just another name that those whitehatters give. If you are not into hacking of accounts and stealing of CC information, I dont think BH is in anyway wrong, just because we are more smarter than those whitehatters in getting more traffic and email optin leads thru our BH ways at a faster pace??? Also if your information is what the visitors looking for, they gain in some way of another.

 

[Nigel Farage]

Sometimes, in my mind while reading these threads, I imagine What if... and today's What if is what if there's someone that has been under investigation here on BHW, and the Feds have all the evidence they need, but the coup de grace is that they setup a troll thread and ask about whether or not Members feel any guilt or remorse for what they do and in about 14 months after the conviction the convicted person's post about how they feel no guilt or remorse on a general level is going to be read to the judge just prior to sentencing on something very specific that they've just been convicted of.

I can both see & hear the prosecutor making his argument to the judge, he says "Well your honor, on 22 Aug, 2013, just 3 days after the defendant commit the felony crime of <whatever> he made this post on the largest internet marketing forum on the planet. He said:

"I never think about my victims, because I don't care. They are insignificant to me, and if they happen to suffer as a result of my actions, I really could give a shit."

Because of this statement, your honor, the state asks that you sentence the defendant to 10 years instead of the standard 7 years, as clearly your Honor the Defendant has no conscience, nor is he sorry for what he has done.

That's how I think. Because everything that you say can & will be used against you in a court of law.

 

[Tealover]

OP, to my mind there are tons of black hate methods that doesn't hurt anyone. Basically, we all are just sellers. And if you sell something that do what you say (not super-duper loose weight pills, but amazon book or smthg) you are ok.
You can't fool an honest man. If they are buying smthg - that's their choice.

 

[mickyfu]

OP, to my mind there are tons of black hate methods that doesn't hurt anyone. Basically, we all are just sellers. And if you sell something that do what you say (not super-duper loose weight pills, but amazon book or smthg) you are ok.
You can't fool an honest man. If they are buying smthg - that's their choice.

Black hate is racism, so I would disagree with you that people do not get hurt.

 

[lmxftw]

everything blackhat hurts someone ... how's blackhat seo not hurting advertisers who have CPC campaigns or bloggers who just post good content on a daily basis but are outranked by spam / 301 redirects and link buying from private networks ?

everything you do will eventually hurt someone ! the only thing you can do is to try and hurt as few people as possible with your actions ... and never hurt someone close to you

 

[mickyfu]

or bloggers who just post good content on a daily basis but are outranked buy spam / 301 redirects and link buying from private networks ?

It is their own fault by not knowing the ways of the internet. There are no rules of ranking on search engines.

 

[ibmethatswhoib]

My grandfather had some really good connections and they asked him to be on the California Lottery Board and he could have made a lot of bank with that job but he turned it down. He didn't want to be a part of people that gamble their money away. I never could wrap my head around it when I was younger 18 or 19, wtf, why wouldn't he do it people are just going to do it anyway. I get it now a little older, maybe that's it. But I just think it's a bullshit excuse way to live and justify things that screw over others for your own gain.

I hate the, only strong survive, do what it takes to get up on others, step on others to get ahead, someone else will do it I might as well way of living. It's just a shitty way to live and treat others. If everyone thought like that we would live in a dump.

Like wiz said, I don't mind getting over on companies like Google and Facebook that pay off politicians and have an upper hand on the rest of us. I just don't see fucking over the common man or mom and pop, it's just a shitty way to live. Stop justifying your shitting on society.

I just say this because I have seen posts about people banking off the unemployed or people putting ads on CL trying to get free articles from unemployed people down and out. Or people screwing over old or handicapped people.

That ain't blackhat, you're a douchebag.

 

[partymarty4870]

I'm almost like you Wiz - although I will profit from fake celebrity deaths.

(I remember how many of you guys went absolutely fucking crazy when I ficticiously killed Oprah a few years ago. I lost so much rep for that one, but fuck it I banked good)

Exactly! . . . We all have our moral limits - a line that we will or will not cross.

It's up to you as to what restrictions you wish to impose on yourself.

Personally speaking, I will not involve myself in attempting to bank
from tragedy (natural disasters, celebrity deaths, phony charities, etc).

That being said, I don't mind gaming Google, Social Media, and other
huge corporate enterprises.

Cheers! - "Wiz"

 

[Logician]

Sometimes, in my mind while reading these threads, I imagine What if... and today's What if is what if there's someone that has been under investigation here on BHW, and the Feds have all the evidence they need, but the coup de grace is that they setup a troll thread and ask about whether or not Members feel any guilt or remorse for what they do and in about 14 months after the conviction the convicted person's post about how they feel no guilt or remorse on a general level is going to be read to the judge just prior to sentencing on something very specific that they've just been convicted of.

I can both see & hear the prosecutor making his argument to the judge, he says "Well your honor, on 22 Aug, 2013, just 3 days after the defendant commit the felony crime of <whatever> he made this post on the largest internet marketing forum on the planet. He said:

"I never think about my victims, because I don't care. They are insignificant to me, and if they happen to suffer as a result of my actions, I really could give a shit."

Because of this statement, your honor, the state asks that you sentence the defendant to 10 years instead of the standard 7 years, as clearly your Honor the Defendant has no conscience, nor is he sorry for what he has done.

That's how I think. Because everything that you say can & will be used against you in a court of law.

And in a court of law, a person is guilty until proven innocent. No need to help them build a case against you.

 

[Saffa12]

To those of you blackhatters out there, don't you feel bad about what you're doing?
I'm not talking about you SEO blackhats. What you guys do is nothing. Search engines aren't losing money because of you and you're not really hurting anyone. I'm talking to the guys who cheat the system for personal gain while there's someone left holding the shitbag you've created.

I've been thinking all day about ways to make my money making methods more profitable and I've come up with some terribly blackhat ideas. I'm loving how they could make me a ton of money, but I can't help but think about the people I'm kinda stealing from and the people I'm kinda fucking over. How do you deal with it?

Obviously I feel Fucking bad, like a snake oil salesman, but I know that If I want to have a better future than I need to put myself threw collage. Living with a single parent and younger brother who just recently started college means that there is no money for my studies. The way I look at it is that there are three options open for me. I can sit at home and fucking cry the entire day. Take my father?s riffle and an axe and shoot a fucking rhino, take the horn and have enough money to pay for 6 years of college (I live in South Africa) or screw some people over, make some online cash and save a rhino. (The rhino thing is a last resort)

 

[funkybunker]

What is there left to say?

I use blackhat for automating/boosting legit products that otherwise would have been buried and never helped anyone.

I'm ashamed so many are convinced BLACKHAT means CON ARTIST. You can wear any mask and be something completely different.

 

[ibmethatswhoib]

Why you gotta screw others over to make money you 1 post, old member in disguise troll.

Obviously I feel Fucking bad, like a snake oil salesman, but I know that If I want to have a better future than I need to put myself threw collage. Living with a single parent and younger brother who just recently started college means that there is no money for my studies. The way I look at it is that there are three options open for me. I can sit at home and fucking cry the entire day. Take my father's riffle and an axe and shoot a fucking rhino, take the horn and have enough money to pay for 6 years of college (I live in South Africa) or screw some people over, make some online cash and save a rhino. (The rhino thing is a last resort)

 

[Saffa12]

old member in disguise troll.

nah this is my first post I usually just read the content you guys put up and twist it in my own my. Never bothered posting until my conscience stated playing with me becoz of the current method I'm using. This thread is a way to clear the mind